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Jul 27 2013, 06:24 PM
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This is as close as I could get without taking details out of the palm muted riff at the end:
dist_rhythm_guitars_with_compressor.mp3 ( 922.04K )
Number of downloads: 117The threshold level is at -20dB on the compressor. And I installed Voxengo Span, it showed the most output from the rhythm guitars at 106Hz when I palm muted. 
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Jul 28 2013, 02:26 PM
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Yep, I noticed the robotic effect. That's Quadcomp. The phase is exactly as it was before, I double checked it.
1. Nope, if I tried that, the popping noise comes back, I put the multiband at the master track of the distorted guitars. 2. Here, the first time the riff is played, the guitars have akai quadcomp on. The second time, quadcomp is completely off.
quadcomp_on_off.mp3 ( 1.14MB )
Number of downloads: 134The pickup is a humbucker at the bridge position. I tried Grancomp 3, the effect is very subtle compared to quadcomp, but this is what I got nearly the same settings as they were on quadcomp (the mid and high frequency compression turned off):
with_Grancomp3.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 134 |
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Jul 28 2013, 06:09 PM
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I'll try the same settings with ReaXcomp compressor too, see if that gets us somewhere.
Here are my distorted guitar settings, I put the TSE to boost the signal into Poulin soloC, then loaded an impulse in LeCab 2:  These are the raw guitar tracks in wave format, I took the raw files from my project folder, they're a bit big in size: Left track:
01_Rhythm_Guitar_Left_130727_1224.wav ( 5.47MB )
Number of downloads: 143Right track:
02_Rhythm_Guitar_Left_130727_1227.wav ( 4.93MB )
Number of downloads: 131I know they both say left, but the right one was recorded on the left track then moved to the right track. This post has been edited by sammetal92: Jul 28 2013, 06:17 PM |
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Jul 28 2013, 07:57 PM
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I have a fan running near me, and the light plus the computer. All those could be causing interference. The guitar goes directly into the line in port of my computer's sound card.
I use a handmade guitar, I have my ESP M-II near me but its tuned to standard. Here, I recorded the riff in stereo with my ESP M-II and turned its pitch down by 1 semitone, there's no equalization or compression or any other effects than the ones I showed you that make up my tone (TSE808, LeCab2 and SoloC):
esp_m_ii_recording__no_eq_or_comp_.mp3 ( 891.43K )
Number of downloads: 120I have another FX chain saved which uses Ignite amps for a softer but still overdriven rhythm tone with very low bass, would you like me to post the riffs with that? Or I can show you the screenshot of that chain too. EDIT: Oh, I also turned the tone knob on the TSE808 at 3 o clock, and turned the Overdrive knob on the amp to 2. I just tested the guitar tracks in my song project and they fit a lot better in the mix than before. This post has been edited by sammetal92: Jul 28 2013, 08:23 PM |
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I think You can play twice as hard as You do now. Those palm muted notes are playd way too soft. 
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Jul 29 2013, 10:11 AM
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So wedetected the first, very important thing that needs improvement - audio recording device. Yes - I've noticed weird tone, sort of treble cut and too much noise but I have a feeling (hard to confirm virtually) that Your guitar has a warm and fat tone. This demand less gain, more treble on the booster or amp, more middle cut, much more power from the right hand ...If You want to get nice and "fast" tone with crunchy pal muting.
You can also try to use thin pick like 0,73 and press so hard that it will rest on the next string after the hit Here are my samples: 1. Screen of the plug-ins  2. Your and mine guitars mixed through those settings
sammetal92_darius_example.mp3 ( 1.99MB )
Number of downloads: 1333. Raw guitar Direct sound L and R file so You could have a reference files for getting better tone and signal level just by changing Your playing method.
sammetal92_darius_left.wav ( 6.22MB )
Number of downloads: 141
sammetal92_darius_right.wav ( 6.22MB )
Number of downloads: 99 |
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Jul 30 2013, 06:46 AM
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I'll give you a recording as soon as I get something good to record with man, I don't want to throw so many mp3 files at you
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Jul 30 2013, 09:59 AM
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I get it
 It's good idea. Otherwise You'll be never sure if it's You who need to make better playing or it's the gear that doesn't sound ok
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Aug 2 2013, 11:52 AM
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Sorry for the long delay
Here's how it sounds, I did a bit of tweaking, I tried to pinpoint the bass frequencies we wanted to take out, using my car's stereo, my computers sound system and my heaphones.Oh any my dad made a USB interface for me which I made this with  I thought I'd save some money for an M-Audio interface, so I didn't buy any interface yet, I'll buy the M-audio as soon as I can.
retake.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 150 |
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Aug 3 2013, 07:39 PM
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I spent so much time today training myself to hit the strings as hard as possible without them getting out of tune, because once I hit them too hard and they went a whole step flat in tuning
 I guess I don't know my own strength Here is what I just recorded. Its not perfect palm muting but I think its a bit better than before Same file name as before but its a different recording.
retake.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 118Here's the bass without any equalization, I think I need to record bass directly into my sound card without using my interface. My interface lowers the volume of the guitar signal so that the effects can come in without boosting it too much that it clips. I tried to keep it as loud as possible, but this isn't as good as it was with the direct line in:
bass_take_raw.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 116 |
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Aug 4 2013, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (sammetal92 @ Aug 3 2013, 06:39 PM)  I spent so much time today training myself to hit the strings as hard as possible without them getting out of tune, because once I hit them too hard and they went a whole step flat in tuning I guess I don't know my own strength Here is what I just recorded. Its not perfect palm muting but I think its a bit better than before Same file name as before but its a different recording.
retake.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 118Here's the bass without any equalization, I think I need to record bass directly into my sound card without using my interface. My interface lowers the volume of the guitar signal so that the effects can come in without boosting it too much that it clips. I tried to keep it as loud as possible, but this isn't as good as it was with the direct line in:
bass_take_raw.mp3 ( 873.67K )
Number of downloads: 116I'll go to the bass analysis later...As for the guitars I think that now they have more noise but it's not a hum anymore. As for the palm muting more samples needed (sorry) Please try to make a one file comparison between interface and line-in signals mixed through the same plug-ins set-up. Try to move Your right hand a bit towards the neck pickup so You'll get more percussive tone and less muddy sound. Make sure Your guitar knobs are fully turned to max becase traditional, passive guitar electronics has some treble loss on the volume pot when decreasing the volume. It affects the palm muting.We're doing this to find out the better option - line in or interface and also we are working on the most IMPORTANT thing ever - tone from You gear before making any mixing. This is soo important and that's why I want to give in maximum attention I hope You understand
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Aug 4 2013, 04:09 PM
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Okay here it is, the first riff is the one recorded via interface, the second one is direct input via line in:
retake_interface_linein.mp3 ( 1.17MB )
Number of downloads: 112Regarding the noise issue, I quite like Audacity, even though it won't be very good for editing full songs. I used Audacity on the riff recorded via interface and used the noise removal to remove 20db of the noise, I think the result is pretty neat. I don't think this much noise would be a problem, it can be removed through software without compromise on quality, but I personally think the tone of my guitars is rich compared to direct line in:
retake_nonoise.mp3 ( 583.26K )
Number of downloads: 101 |
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