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Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 12:08 AM

So, I was randomly looking for various things on a music website, and decided to just look at studio monitors. Then I went on to search for whether people used the ones I use in their (home) studio. Mine are a set of B&O Beovox S45-2. I think they are from the late 70's or early 80's and retailed at around £180 back then. I read a few people saying they do well enough for studio monitors (I have no comparison besides small Logitech desk speakers). One guy said they are pretty balanced and tight, but I don't know much about these things.

Here's a little more info from https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=666:


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Beovox S45-2 Passive Loudspeakers
Large photo
Manufactured: 1978 - 1982
Designer: Jacob Jensen
Colours: Rosewood, Teak

An exceptional little bookshelf speaker of hi-fi quality with a frequency range of 38 - 20000 Hz and less than 1% harmonic distortion.

You will find these speakers regularly recommended on BeoWorld. They have the same height and width as the lesser S35 speakers but are 3cm deeper and 1kg heavier. This small size difference makes an immense difference to the sound though. The extra filler drive unit adds hugely to the all important midrange sound and this is, to many users' ears, the best balanced bookshelf speaker made by B&O. What it lacks in ultimate bass, it repays in accuracy and tone. The optional floor stand is elegant and effective and worth hunting out. A capacitor change may be needed to make an old pair sing but you are very unlikely to be disappointed by purchasing a pair of these.

For those in search of more bass, S75s are the bigger brother but lack the sonic purity found in the S45.2. To beat these in this range, you need M100s and a bigger house!

Linear phase sound reproduction. Speaker units include a 20cm woofer, a special 8cm Phase Link unit, and a 2,5cm dome tweeter. Volume 25 litres; weight 7kg.

Optional accessory
adjustable aluminium pedestal
Price in 1978: £174.00

Beovox S45-2 Passive Loudspeakers Product Specifications
Type: 6312 (to Nov 1982)
Continuous load: 56 W
Music load: 75 W
Impedance: 4 - 8 ohms
Frequency response +4 -8 dB 38 - 20,000 Hz
Sensitivity: 5W
Gross volume|: 25 litres
Woofer: 20cm
Phase link unit 8cm
Tweeter: 2,5cm
Dimensions W x H x D: 26 x 48 x 21cm
Weight 7 kg


Eventually I do want to upgrade of course, but if an upgrade to say a pair of Yamaha HS7 doesn't make a difference, then that upgrade is pointless and I would have to go to a higher priced level of monitors.

Any of you guys with more experience that can tell me where my B&O Beovox S45-2 speakers land in comparison to actual studio monitors? smile.gif

Posted by: Mertay Feb 21 2019, 11:10 AM

Spec.s usually don't mean much, we can look at a guitar amps spec.s to have an idea how loud it is or based on components (like speaker) what sort of character it might have. Yet still it will be such a vague idea of its tone compared to listening it.

An example why I dislike Yamaha HS8's; Friend of mine has them and extremely popular here in small studio's. My problem with them is they make everything sound too pretty. And whatever I listen made with them sound muddy, even mastered albums or TV work. Its not only a freq. response thing as thats what mastering is pretty much for these days, but it affects mix process as one works less then they have to (lack of detail, too pretty monitoring character).

The very popular ns10m for example is the opposite, brutally honest. Thats why its used as a reference on even major studios, but used more like headphones. Yesterday for example when listened Gab.s anthem part3, it sounded fine to me on my headphones but too mid. forward on my monitors.

So I guess unless you make a song and get it pro mastered, you won't be sure how your current monitors are working for you. Its seems like a nice speaker to me, but how revealing will only be noticed on other systems.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 21 2019, 11:10 AM) *
Spec.s usually don't mean much, we can look at a guitar amps spec.s to have an idea how loud it is or based on components (like speaker) what sort of character it might have. Yet still it will be such a vague idea of its tone compared to listening it.

An example why I dislike Yamaha HS8's; Friend of mine has them and extremely popular here in small studio's. My problem with them is they make everything sound too pretty. And whatever I listen made with them sound muddy, even mastered albums or TV work. Its not only a freq. response thing as thats what mastering is pretty much for these days, but it affects mix process as one works less then they have to (lack of detail, too pretty monitoring character).

The very popular ns10m for example is the opposite, brutally honest. Thats why its used as a reference on even major studios, but used more like headphones. Yesterday for example when listened Gab.s anthem part3, it sounded fine to me on my headphones but too mid. forward on my monitors.

So I guess unless you make a song and get it pro mastered, you won't be sure how your current monitors are working for you. Its seems like a nice speaker to me, but how revealing will only be noticed on other systems.


Yep. I do have my small desk Logitech speakers connected and can switch to them with a single push of a button. I also have a random set of no-name speakers that I could hook up. I don't know much about these things. They are 4 ohm and some people on the internet said that was supposed to be good? No idea! I'd just need a power amp (?) to hook them up, but I don't think I even have the outputs for it on my Scarlett anyway. Regardless, I have my B&O Beovox S45-2, Logitech Z3 2.1 (https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/qgIAAOSw8AhaP4cI/$_86.JPG) and my Sennheiser HD 380 Pro, so I at least have some different options when listening.

Posted by: Mertay Feb 21 2019, 01:48 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 21 2019, 10:36 AM) *
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I wouldn't use the logictech's to be honest even for referencing, a sub. is something that has to be calibrated in great care with studio standards. It's not only about less or more bass but anything from the sub.s will be heard mono so that also may misrepresent the mix. But ofcourse not problem with multimedia usage.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 05:36 PM

So even to listen as a third choice to what the average person would hear (Logitech and laptop) is not worth it?

Posted by: Mertay Feb 21 2019, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 21 2019, 04:36 PM) *
So even to listen as a third choice to what the average person would hear (Logitech and laptop) is not worth it?


Probably will complicate things more than being helpful.

Your main reference must be only 1 speaker, others or headphone is for micro-scoping things. A small but good speaker will have less bass and have more attention to mid.s and highs, but if its also for example also muddy then it can't be used for that purpose.

Producers do check on laptop speakers or consumer headphones, but thats after mastering so the concept won't work for you. If they do find something wrong, they return to the main listening system instead of fixing the problem from the consumer device.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 21 2019, 06:23 PM) *
Probably will complicate things more than being helpful.

Your main reference must be only 1 speaker, others or headphone is for micro-scoping things. A small but good speaker will have less bass and have more attention to mid.s and highs, but if its also for example also muddy then it can't be used for that purpose.

Producers do check on laptop speakers or consumer headphones, but thats after mastering so the concept won't work for you. If they do find something wrong, they return to the main listening system instead of fixing the problem from the consumer device.


When listening through my Logitechs they sound way more bass heavy, I think, compared to my Beovox. I don't know, I was just curious. I would only think it would be useful to hear how things sound on multiple speakers, but maybe not. It's not something I'm way into - as said in another thread, I would rather listen to a fantastic composition that is awfully produced than a bad composition in good production quality. My comparison was growing up listening to 8-bit music on games, and as such, midi for instance doesn't bother me at all, and I find myself being more interested in the composition than the production, but of course there is still value in good production. I would always use my Beovox for most things mixing etc. I don't have any neighbors on that side of my house, so I don't have to mix on headphones like when I lived in my apartment.

Posted by: Mertay Feb 21 2019, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 21 2019, 05:46 PM) *
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With midi instruments you're pretty safe on the eq'ing side as most are eq'd for you. So you only eq them if they mask something or being masked which usually 1 most 2 eq bands are needed. Even if they don't feel perfect themselves, just don't try to polish them with eq.

So when composing/arranging, if you can make them first and later add your personal guitar tone/singing likely you'll be much safer as they can act as reference inside the project.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 21 2019, 06:52 PM) *
With midi instruments you're pretty safe on the eq'ing side as most are eq'd for you. So you only eq them if they mask something or being masked which usually 1 most 2 eq bands are needed. Even if they don't feel perfect themselves, just don't try to polish them with eq.

So when composing/arranging, if you can make them first and later add your personal guitar tone/singing likely you'll be much safer as they can act as reference inside the project.


Oh, I meant actual "midi" sounds, such as listening to something in Guitar Pro without using the RSE function. Suits me fine when listening to a composition - of course some things can sound different in other settings, such as with real or VST instruments. I think my brain is just "wired" (or I wired it?) to listen to composition etc. rather than quality of a mix.

Posted by: Mertay Feb 21 2019, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 21 2019, 05:55 PM) *
Oh, I meant actual "midi" sounds, such as listening to something in Guitar Pro without using the RSE function. Suits me fine when listening to a composition - of course some things can sound different in other settings, such as with real or VST instruments. I think my brain is just "wired" (or I wired it?) to listen to composition etc. rather than quality of a mix.


Oh yeah I mean't that comment for vsti's for your future projects.

And I've noticed a few times if music is good people tend to like it even if the mix or mastering isn't ideal. But we also have the Nita strauss example were the production is so bad (the too annoying snare or badly placed guitars) it robs the music.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 21 2019, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 21 2019, 07:30 PM) *
Oh yeah I mean't that comment for vsti's for your future projects.

And I've noticed a few times if music is good people tend to like it even if the mix or mastering isn't ideal. But we also have the Nita strauss example were the production is so bad (the too annoying snare or badly placed guitars) it robs the music.


Completely agree! Nita was not a good mix! It all depends I suppose smile.gif

Well, I mean good composition and good production is best of course smile.gif

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 22 2019, 04:55 AM

Those are nice speakers to be sure. I'd say keep those in the loop no matter what. Maybe add a pair of nice 6 or 8 inch driver monitors like the Kali Audio LP6 which I really love these days. They are less expensive than the KRK I used for years, and they sound better.

Todd



QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Feb 20 2019, 07:08 PM) *
So, I was randomly looking for various things on a music website, and decided to just look at studio monitors. Then I went on to search for whether people used the ones I use in their (home) studio. Mine are a set of B&O Beovox S45-2. I think they are from the late 70's or early 80's and retailed at around £180 back then. I read a few people saying they do well enough for studio monitors (I have no comparison besides small Logitech desk speakers). One guy said they are pretty balanced and tight, but I don't know much about these things.

Here's a little more info from https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=666:


CODE
Beovox S45-2 Passive Loudspeakers
Large photo
Manufactured: 1978 - 1982
Designer: Jacob Jensen
Colours: Rosewood, Teak

An exceptional little bookshelf speaker of hi-fi quality with a frequency range of 38 - 20000 Hz and less than 1% harmonic distortion.

You will find these speakers regularly recommended on BeoWorld. They have the same height and width as the lesser S35 speakers but are 3cm deeper and 1kg heavier. This small size difference makes an immense difference to the sound though. The extra filler drive unit adds hugely to the all important midrange sound and this is, to many users' ears, the best balanced bookshelf speaker made by B&O. What it lacks in ultimate bass, it repays in accuracy and tone. The optional floor stand is elegant and effective and worth hunting out. A capacitor change may be needed to make an old pair sing but you are very unlikely to be disappointed by purchasing a pair of these.

For those in search of more bass, S75s are the bigger brother but lack the sonic purity found in the S45.2. To beat these in this range, you need M100s and a bigger house!

Linear phase sound reproduction. Speaker units include a 20cm woofer, a special 8cm Phase Link unit, and a 2,5cm dome tweeter. Volume 25 litres; weight 7kg.

Optional accessory
adjustable aluminium pedestal
Price in 1978: £174.00

Beovox S45-2 Passive Loudspeakers Product Specifications
Type: 6312 (to Nov 1982)
Continuous load: 56 W
Music load: 75 W
Impedance: 4 - 8 ohms
Frequency response +4 -8 dB 38 - 20,000 Hz
Sensitivity: 5W
Gross volume|: 25 litres
Woofer: 20cm
Phase link unit 8cm
Tweeter: 2,5cm
Dimensions W x H x D: 26 x 48 x 21cm
Weight 7 kg


Eventually I do want to upgrade of course, but if an upgrade to say a pair of Yamaha HS7 doesn't make a difference, then that upgrade is pointless and I would have to go to a higher priced level of monitors.

Any of you guys with more experience that can tell me where my B&O Beovox S45-2 speakers land in comparison to actual studio monitors? smile.gif



The Nita album was so badly mixed I was shocked. I really expected more. It's such a shame too as her playing was good. I even did a remastered version just to be able to listen to it.



QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 21 2019, 02:30 PM) *
Oh yeah I mean't that comment for vsti's for your future projects.

And I've noticed a few times if music is good people tend to like it even if the mix or mastering isn't ideal. But we also have the Nita strauss example were the production is so bad (the too annoying snare or badly placed guitars) it robs the music.


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