Irs Vs Virtual Amps |
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Nov 7 2020, 09:53 AM |
Hi!, I have been reading a lot this week about available virtual amps and have tested some. Well, as I have learnt virtual amps are very subjective and different people like differnt v. amps. The thing is that I have come across IR's today. They seem to be around for a lot of years now but I never heard of them. so, it seems that throuh IR's one can capture the sound of a full rig in a really perfect way and this is great. All this leads me to one question. Why use v. amps over just IR's? It seems IR's ussually sound better because there's no synthesis involved, just sampling. I understand that when you use an IR you get the full rig and no customization can be done in the middle (Like adding or removing a pedal). You can only process the output signal comming from the IR. But why do that if you get the full rig sound you were looking for? As an example, I love dimebag tone, I have seen some awesome FREE IR's that replicate the sound of some of pantera records. Wouldn't this be enough to ditch all virtual amps around trying to emulate dimebag sound? What do you think? Cheers! I gave a very short explanation about what ir is on my reverb topic on last message; https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...c=61409&hl= So with it we can only capture reverb and freq. response, sort of you can say a super clean (but dull) amp sound is the max capability(no distortion). With guitar plug-ins, we only capture the cabinet (without an amp and shave the reverb out of it). IR's are (if not protected) .wav files, so this is how we can use any amp with any cab. we want in guitar plug-ins. This post has been edited by Mertay: Nov 7 2020, 09:55 AM |
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Nov 7 2020, 12:44 PM |
IRs aren't the full rig, they are l like a snapshot of a cab, mic (or multiple mics) and room. When I had my Helix I used to create a patch with preamp and power amp and any pedals I wanted and put the IR where the cab would go with time based pedals afterwards.
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Nov 7 2020, 10:54 PM |
Yes Phil66. I was reading a bit more about IR's and you are totally right. Sorry for the confusion. So from what I understand a common rig consists of: Guitar -> Effects -> [ PreAmp -> Amp -> Cabinet ] -> Mic . The parts in brackets can be found in the form of a combo amp. In the end IR's can't substitute softwars like th-u overloud or Bias FX 2. They just can complement these type of software by adding more Cabinet emulations. For example if I get Bias FX 2(just naming one) that do not have a custom IR's loader, I guess I would bypass its cabinets emulation and send the signal to an external IR Loader like Nadir 2 in my DAW and voila. I would be using Bias FX 2 as my rack of effects and the IR Loader for my cab. Check (1) at the end for a little question about this. My initial assumptions were wrong, and the name that community gave to this type of software (Virtual amps) really confused me. I think a better name would be "Virtual rigs". Because they provide a lot more that just virtual amps. What do you think Phil66, am I right this time? (1). This leads me to think if I should spent the money on a Virtual Amp software or just get a bunch of IR's and a good IR Loader and use the effect rack in my DAW (Studio one). It would be almost the same and almost free. Am I right? Cheers! Well I'm no expert but it depends on your budget. If you can afford it I'd just go for TH-U, it's so easy but you do need a powerful computer to get latency levels down. I got my licence from ebay for under £200. If you sent afford it go for the myriad of plugins available and use IRs, I've just never got on using multiple plugins, maybe I'm doing it all wrong but now I've found TH-U I don't think I'll be changing, I had to buy a high spec computer to buy that will run anything for a long time. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 8 2020, 02:35 AM |
I love IRs but I really only use them with my real live tube amp heads.
I will occasionally scroll through the collection that come with a lot of the amp plugins. Brainworx amp sims come with at least 100 different cabs but usually, the default cab sounds the best. *Usually, but not always. IRs are just another tool in your tone arsenal. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Nov 8 2020, 06:15 PM |
Celestion might be the biggest and most famous brand, few years ago they started to sell their own ir's and these are also well respoected. +1 The Celestion IRs really are nice. I've recently found that I'm using the Suhr 'Bella' 1x12" cab IR from a Two-Notes pack I bought several months ago. *I use a Captor X. It's a load box and IR loader combo. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Nov 8 2020, 10:32 PM |
... Found this video I hope it helps, but I can't help with the details as I don't own fx. |
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