How To Memorise Tabs
dango
Oct 16 2007, 10:06 PM
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Hi, I enjoy GMC lesson. There are so many lessons, so I deceided to focus one lesson and memorize and play. I am practicing Gabriel's Neoclassical Shrapnel Style lesson for two days, maybe 5hours in total. but I still not remember all tab. I still make mistakes. (never mind the speed, I don't expect to be as fast as him.) Am I just too slow learner or is that lack of knowledge of scale understanding? I still not know about scales and not yet memorizing all the fingerboard. Is there any good and quicker way of memorizing tab?

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MickeM
Oct 16 2007, 10:25 PM
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I have a view on this. I think it's wrong to memorize tabs in order to learn to play music. I've completely dropped that idea, that I also was practicing long ago.
The reason is that I don't want to stand there thinking "oh how did that tab look again", when the anser is in knowing the tone and not the tab.

...was that graspable at all?

I'll put it in another way. Look at the tab while learning to play but always with the intention of knowing to play the song/solo/whatever by listening or by heart. Then forget the tab exer existed, wipe it out from your mind, you don't want to think "tab" when you play but think "sound".

...graspable?

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Oct 16 2007, 10:37 PM
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Well that makes alot of sense to me MickeM.

I think the best way is to learn in small parts. Your brain only remembers a small amount of notes, so practice in small sections until you can play it perfect, even if not at fast speed, and eventually practice the whole exercise in full over and over. If you make a mistake, dont start the whole exercise from beginning and then you make same mistake, go back to that section and perfect it. smile.gif

yep?

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dango
Oct 16 2007, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 16 2007, 10:25 PM) *
I have a view on this. I think it's wrong to memorize tabs in order to learn to play music. I've completely dropped that idea, that I also was practicing long ago.
The reason is that I don't want to stand there thinking "oh how did that tab look again", when the anser is in knowing the tone and not the tab.

...was that graspable at all?

I'll put it in another way. Look at the tab while learning to play but always with the intention of knowing to play the song/solo/whatever by listening or by heart. Then forget the tab exer existed, wipe it out from your mind, you don't want to think "tab" when you play but think "sound".
...graspable?


Thank you for your advice, MickeM. I see what you mean but i am still beginner so it is hard for me to just follow the tone. Although as I practice I found the same sound note and I palyed which is not same as tab but things muddled up afterthat. I am sure I would like to follow the tone not the tab and remeber by heart.So, to do so I still need to memorize the tab?(i feel)

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ZeCoyote
Oct 16 2007, 10:46 PM
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My technic :

Learn the tab and play it. At the first mistake - wrong note or forgotten tab - stop and repeat from the beginning.

At the end, I don't memorize it with my memory but with my ears and fingers.

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Robin
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 16 2007, 09:25 PM) *
I have a view on this. I think it's wrong to memorize tabs in order to learn to play music. I've completely dropped that idea, that I also was practicing long ago.
The reason is that I don't want to stand there thinking "oh how did that tab look again", when the anser is in knowing the tone and not the tab.

...was that graspable at all?

I'll put it in another way. Look at the tab while learning to play but always with the intention of knowing to play the song/solo/whatever by listening or by heart. Then forget the tab exer existed, wipe it out from your mind, you don't want to think "tab" when you play but think "sound".

...graspable?

Exactly. NEVER think tabs in your head while playing.

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Hemlok
Oct 16 2007, 10:51 PM
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Im not sure if he is actually meaning he thinks tabs. I just dont think he knows how to get his point across about the most effective way of learning a piece of music. Because I don't think i ever thought about tabs when i try play when beginning...

Correct me if I am wrong Dango.

P.S Oh and I didn't say welcome in the other thread so, welcome smile.gif.

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Iluha
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Well memorizing a tab, or notes, or tone, whatever, is just like memorizing material for an exam, you gotta do it in small chunks, until you understand a chunk perfectly, then you move on to the next one, and sometimes returning to previous chunks, making sure you remember everything, and eventually you'll get to that final golden nugget, and you will remember everything.

Might take an hour, but might also take months tongue.gif

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dango
Oct 16 2007, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Oct 16 2007, 10:51 PM) *
Im not sure if he is actually meaning he thinks tabs. I just dont think he knows how to get his point across about the most effective way of learning a piece of music. Because I don't think i ever thought about tabs when i try play when beginning...

Correct me if I am wrong Dango.

P.S Oh and I didn't say welcome in the other thread so, welcome smile.gif.


Thank you, Hemlok. Yes you are right. I want to know the most effective way of learning. I can play some of favourite music, then that time I don't really thinking tab, just my finger remembered it. So as some of you said, I shall divide small parts and learn. (and I know, but it take such long time for me. Is it nomal? or am I old?)
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QUOTE (dango @ Oct 17 2007, 12:23 AM) *
Thank you, Hemlok. Yes you are right. I want to know the most effective way of learning. I can play some of favourite music, then that time I don't really thinking tab, just my finger remembered it. So as some of you said, I shall divide small parts and learn. (and I know, but it take such long time for me. Is it nomal? or am I old?)
P.S. Iam she. java script:emoticon(':)', 'smid_3')
smile.gif


Like I told you, it might take an hour and it might take months, it depends on the complexity of the piece, and how well you connect with it!

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QUOTE (Iluha @ Oct 16 2007, 11:39 PM) *
Like I told you, it might take an hour and it might take months, it depends on the complexity of the piece, and how well you connect with it!

sorry I didn't read your part. ok it might take months, fine I will try. Thank you Iluha.

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QUOTE (dango @ Oct 17 2007, 12:57 AM) *
sorry I didn't read your part. ok it might take months, fine I will try. Thank you Iluha.

Just don't give up and you'll be fine! wink.gif

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Oct 17 2007, 08:59 AM
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And in my experience the more you practise memorising stuff the faster you get at it...

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QUOTE (Hemlok @ Oct 16 2007, 05:37 PM) *
Well that makes alot of sense to me MickeM.

I think the best way is to learn in small parts. Your brain only remembers a small amount of notes, so practice in small sections until you can play it perfect, even if not at fast speed, and eventually practice the whole exercise in full over and over. If you make a mistake, dont start the whole exercise from beginning and then you make same mistake, go back to that section and perfect it. smile.gif

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I completely agree with Hemlok.
Also, remember to play small parts in correct rhythm.
You can make the whole part slow, but not "fast here, slow there".
If a certain part makes you slow, pick up that section and make it even smaller part.

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QUOTE (Kosei Kubota @ Oct 17 2007, 11:55 AM) *
I completely agree with Hemlok.
Also, remember to play small parts in correct rhythm.
You can make the whole part slow, but not "fast here, slow there".
If a certain part makes you slow, pick up that section and make it even smaller part.

KK

Thank you for good advice, Kosei. I agree with 'in correct rhythm, not "fast here, slow there" '. DomoArigato

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All the lessons are broken into segments, so learn 1 or 2 segments before moving on to the next.

This is how I learn them, lets say theres 8 video/tab segments to a lesson, I start by learning the first 2 segments, playing them over and over again until they are firmly in my head without having to look at the tab, then I move onto segments 3 & 4, but each time I practice, I play segments 1 & 2 in front of it, then moving onto 5 & 6 playing 1,2,3 & 4 in front of them, this builds up the whole piece and generally by the end I`m really only concentrating on the last 2 segments as I`ve probably played the first 6 a million times already smile.gif
Once its memorized (the piece, not the tab) I concentrate on the timing and cleaning up the more difficult parts, and hey presto the whole thing is put together smile.gif

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