Behemoth's Nergal: The Majority Of U.s. Death Metal Bands Are "boring And Generic" |
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Feb 11 2014, 01:16 AM
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Just saw this post from NERGAL of the band BEHOMOTH
(Interview in Ghost Cult Web Zine) http://www.ghostcultmag.com/interview-nergal-of-behemoth/ and I hate to say it I think he has a point. For far too long every band wanting to be "Heavy" has been trying to out Meshuggah, Meshuggah themselves and just down tune every song to "djentify" it and allowing the drummers to play far to many blast beats or nothing but blast beats. As a result manyx of the bands are starting to sound so much alike in the extreme metal scene that there's no point given them separate names and very little point to given the songs/albums names.  At some point it starts to remind me of EDM (electronic dance music). Just the way that EDM has the classic Thump, Tsss, Thump, tss disco drum beat, extreme metallers are overly reliant on the blast beat and cook monster vocals to the extent that even though I love metal, my ears are pressed to make any distinction in bands/songs/etc. I wanted to ask what you guys though and what you think can be done? Also, where do you see heavy music going in 2014 now that there are soooooooo many bands sounding soooo much alike? Historically, this is the point where there is a MAJOR shift in music. E.g. From Glam Metal To Grunge etc. So I'm hopeful a change is coming  Here is a link to a vid someone did of the "top djent bands". Close your eyes and listen and take note of similarities of vocal/guitar/etc. DISCLAIMER: Obviously, any "style" of music will have similarities between songs in a genre. That's not really what I"m talking about here. This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Feb 11 2014, 01:17 AM |
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Feb 11 2014, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Feb 11 2014, 06:19 AM)  A musician creates music only for themselves. I'm not sure if I misunderstand this phrase because my main language is Spanish, if that's happening please let me know. But I would say that musicians creates music "from" themselves (their own personality / soul) instead as "for" themselves. Why would they express a message or a feeling if there is nobody to receive it? QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 10 2014, 09:16 PM) Just saw this post from NERGAL of the band BEHOMOTH (Interview in Ghost Cult Web Zine) http://www.ghostcultmag.com/interview-nergal-of-behemoth/ and I hate to say it I think he has a point. For far too long every band wanting to be "Heavy" has been trying to out Meshuggah, Meshuggah themselves and just down tune every song to "djentify" it and allowing the drummers to play far to many blast beats or nothing but blast beats. As a result manyx of the bands are starting to sound so much alike in the extreme metal scene that there's no point given them separate names and very little point to given the songs/albums names. At some point it starts to remind me of EDM (electronic dance music). Just the way that EDM has the classic Thump, Tsss, Thump, tss disco drum beat, extreme metallers are overly reliant on the blast beat and cook monster vocals to the extent that even though I love metal, my ears are pressed to make any distinction in bands/songs/etc. I wanted to ask what you guys though and what you think can be done? Also, where do you see heavy music going in 2014 now that there are soooooooo many bands sounding soooo much alike? Historically, this is the point where there is a MAJOR shift in music. E.g. From Glam Metal To Grunge etc. So I'm hopeful a change is coming Here is a link to a vid someone did of the "top djent bands". Close your eyes and listen and take note of similarities of vocal/guitar/etc. DISCLAIMER: Obviously, any "style" of music will have similarities between songs in a genre. That's not really what I"m talking about here. This usually happens when a style becomes popular and the only band that remain through the years are the founders and the ones that has their own personality. This happens to me with Post-Hardore and Metalcore bands... sometimes I feel like listening to the same band while I listening to a Spotify radio.  The future of metal? I don't think that it can happen something like 90's grunge because Metal isn't mainstream but I think that we are reaching a limit of "low tuning" and "sick progressive" stuff, they cannot go lower of sicker  . I think that a good change would be to get back to real band sound, real musicians playing live at the studio, against ultra produced stuff. The human factor will start being more and more important... that's my prognostic... -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 11 2014, 01:41 PM
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Topis is very sensitive since it's easy to say the same about many genres of music. But aside from this...some bands make me proud to be Polish
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Feb 11 2014, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (audiopaal @ Feb 11 2014, 02:11 PM) I have seen both Vader and Behemoth live a few times, and those dudes must have something in their drinking water.. Tight and perfect execution of their songs every single time. I'm utterly impressed :-) This must be their secret ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielbasa |
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Feb 11 2014, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Feb 11 2014, 04:05 AM) I'm not sure if I misunderstand this phrase because my main language is Spanish, if that's happening please let me know. But I would say that musicians creates music "from" themselves (their own personality / soul) instead as "for" themselves. Why would they express a message or a feeling if there is nobody to receive it? I think it's both. It's really nice, fulfilling and nourishing to the creative process when other people receive and hopefully appreciate your art. But a true artist/creator doesn't 'need' that. They do it because they have to. (Your english is excellent G) This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 11 2014, 04:37 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 11 2014, 06:26 PM
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Also agree with Nergal!
A note on some of the similarities in the 'top 10 djent bands - 2010' vid: #10's singer is Sikth's (#6) singer and one of the guitarists from Aliases (#9) is also one of Sikth's guitarists. SikTh have been around for a while - the song in the vid came out in 2003 and they've had a big influence on that scene since. -------------------- *Ibanez 2550E Prestige
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Feb 12 2014, 05:29 AM
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Daryl Hall says that there are two secrets to popularity in the music biz ...
1) never change. 2) change all the time. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Feb 12 2014, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 10 2014, 04:16 PM) Just saw this post from NERGAL of the band BEHOMOTH (Interview in Ghost Cult Web Zine) http://www.ghostcultmag.com/interview-nergal-of-behemoth/ and I hate to say it I think he has a point. For far too long every band wanting to be "Heavy" has been trying to out Meshuggah, Meshuggah themselves and just down tune every song to "djentify" it and allowing the drummers to play far to many blast beats or nothing but blast beats. As a result manyx of the bands are starting to sound so much alike in the extreme metal scene that there's no point given them separate names and very little point to given the songs/albums names. At some point it starts to remind me of EDM (electronic dance music). Just the way that EDM has the classic Thump, Tsss, Thump, tss disco drum beat, extreme metallers are overly reliant on the blast beat and cook monster vocals to the extent that even though I love metal, my ears are pressed to make any distinction in bands/songs/etc. I wanted to ask what you guys though and what you think can be done? Also, where do you see heavy music going in 2014 now that there are soooooooo many bands sounding soooo much alike? Historically, this is the point where there is a MAJOR shift in music. E.g. From Glam Metal To Grunge etc. So I'm hopeful a change is coming Here is a link to a vid someone did of the "top djent bands". Close your eyes and listen and take note of similarities of vocal/guitar/etc. DISCLAIMER: Obviously, any "style" of music will have similarities between songs in a genre. That's not really what I"m talking about here. Thanks for sharing the video Todd. To be perfectly honest; I thought they all sucked. The #1 was kinda interesting. Don't get me wrong I love metal, but I haven't heard a really good metal song in a long time. It's like they take the same shit, and recycle it. They sometimes add something minor to the background, but thats about it. To be fair though; I haven't heard enough of the recent metal bands, and I grew up with Rush, Danzig, Dio, Megadeth, Metallica, and Slayer. To me they had uniqueness to them. I definantly respect the guitar work that goes into a lot of metal bands. I defiantly couldn't play a lot of the lead solos they play; then again it isn't really the genre I play. |
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Feb 12 2014, 03:08 PM
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Other than truly, truly oppressed groups [of people] most folks who scream about 'freedom' have no f'n idea about what it really is ... and they wouldn't like it once they encountered it and had to deal with it. Music and otherwise.
This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 12 2014, 03:08 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Feb 12 2014, 11:40 PM
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Agreeing with you.
Those that scream about freedom, whether it be artistic or political, usually have no idea how to deal with it once they are confronted with it. Freedom is also a responsibility - again both in art and life. Lets just take art ... "Here folks, I'm not gonna tell you what you can or can't do. Make me a song ... and make it good". 1) what's 'good'? 2) how do we quantify it? 3) who's worthy of quantifying it? I'm not saying that good does or doesn't exist. I'm also not saying that an arbiter of 'good' should or shouldn't exist. It's a hard thing to have have an opinion and make a statement. It's a lot easier to just fit into a pre-existing box. I'm all for parameters (I like restrictions - they make me think) but I feel one can and should work to the very limits of the parameters - stretching, pulling, contorting, twisting, deconstructing and reconstructing them until all of the recognizable elements are put into places where no one ever thought they could fit. Kinda like Picasso (or Braque or Dali). He was always figurative and representational ... only in ways no one ever saw before. 
This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 12 2014, 11:50 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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