Thought I'd post a track that people might like to have a go at soloing over. It's a jazz progression in C major based on the common I VI II V I run. In this case the chords are CM7, Am9, Am7, Dm9, Dm7, G9, Dm6/9 (or G13 with no root), Bb9, Fm6/9 (Bb13 no root) and CM7. 4 bars of I, 4 of VI, 4 II and 2 of V plus 2 of I before it loops. First CM7 uses two different voicings of the M7th, one with the B as the upper note (as an Em triad over C bass) and one as the standard 8th position CM7. Standard 4/4 in 122 bpm.
For soloing - in jazz you follow the chord progression and accent the important notes of the chord or melody to pull out the harmonic progression. So try not to stay with one scale/arpeggio but experiment and see what works - look at Andrew's theory pages if you're not too sure.
Apologies I recorded straight in to the pc so the tone is flat and there are no effects/distortion - just a clean semi, fingerpicked. Level is low - tends to be how I record - I hate digital distortion. There are a couple of minor jumps where I had to pause whilst recording as my wife/daughter wanted immediate attention, hopefully they won't put you off. (I'm not great at 'drop in' recording.)
Last few bits -
a) Collaboration is open to any who want to have a go.
Apologies as I don't have the time to mix your work so you will need to do a merged backing/solo track for up load if you want feedback. (Unless someone wants to volunteer to do the mix...)
c) Feedback - I'm a great believer in peer review so if you post then anyone can comment - so long as it's constructive . Hopefully with peer review more of us might get actively involved in the collaboration
Breaking news - I've twisted Andrew's arm (don't worry he can still play ) and he has very kindly agreed to try to add drums and bass to the backing for me. What a nice man .
The GMC file has Andrew's backing bass and drums added (thanks Andrew - you're a star).
Cheers,
Tony
Thanks mate, count me in!
Hmm, that picture has now become your signature and you can never get rid of it. :-D
Im up for that ofcourse
-Ben
Nice one Ben .
And thanks again Andrew - appreciated.
It must be my winning personality - or the Chinese Burn I applied to your forearm . Now can you help me build a house by any chance?
Cheers,
Tony
ps yet again GMC proves itself to be such a great community!
Our builders gave us 1 week's grace to produce scale drawings after their architect quit the job - baptism of fire
.
Not sure why we now have a 2 foot high door and a toilet only a giant could use though .
Cheers,
Tony
Is there room for me?
I'm not really a jazz player, so I suppose it will sound very bluesy I have been playing Take Five, so I have some ideas how to make it more jazzy.
Edit: Nevermind, I'm not good enough to do this yet
Have a go anyway Robin if you want - can't hurt . Robben Ford - a great player of the blues does lovely stuff by incorporating jazz ideas.
Cheers,
Tony
Hmm, well if theres room I guess I can give it a try
But I do need some pointers of what scales I can use over wich chords. Maybe I should read Andrews theory lesson about it?
Hi Robin,
Andrew's theory is a great place to start.
One possibility is to look at it modally and as it's principally in C Major you might want to check the relevant modes for the particular chords in the progression. To jazz it up here look at the melodic and harmonic minor modes and pentatonic subs as well. Don't aim at playing the entire mode over a chord, pick out key tones and maybe consider sequencing the mode. (Most chords have 4 bars so there is time to do this if you want to...)
Apart from modal playing a few other things maybe worth looking at but not necessary for a good solo include (although I'm going to ask questions as well for people to think about ):
Chord voicings - With extended chords would you play notes that emphasise the root, 3rd, 5th or the extension or what. Also similar/same chords that are inverted. First few bars are CM7 but the top note moves between G(5th of C) and B (7th) do you make something of this or not? Do you want to leave space in your solo, if at all, so that this can be heard?
Arpeggios - consider the arps for CM7 etc. and perhaps use them to sequence or emphasise the key tonalities of the chords.
Harmonic progression. In the chord progression there are also certain notes that move and some that stay static over more than one chord. How do notes move and why? What are the intervals involved in the movements?
Chord names - most of these chords have several names. Changing the name can get you to think about the progression, what mode/scale and so on to use differently. For instance the m6/9s towards the end can also be named as different extended dominant chords and also as m7b5s. These imply (to me) different modal possibilites and different arps as well as different possible directions that the chord progression could move in.
Polytonal chords/stacked triads. Some of the chords can be thought of this way (for instance the M7s and the m9s). What are the two triads in each case and how can that give you a different take on the solo?
Possible modulations (key changes) - the progression pretty much remains in C Major but towards the end there are a couple of modulations that are implied but not executed (mainly as a dominant 7th cycle through implied II V I modulations). I resolved it to CM7 to keep things simple but bars 15 and 16 could have modulated...
'Outside' playing - what chromatics/passing tones can be used? What notes lie outside the scalar or modality suggested and how might you use them?
As ever think about phrasing and articulation - legato and alt picking maybe more than sweep (though Gambale fans might argue otherwise ). With the high notes in some of the chords think about space and silence. It's not how fast or how many notes that count here as to which notes you use and which you leave out/suggest.
Don't worry or be put off if that's too much theory to take in - you can get a lot of the above right by playing with feel and listening to the progression and playing what you find works. You also don't need to use all of it - or even any of it. Loads of players don't do polytonal chord theory consciously and are none the worse for it (and I'm not even going to start on what D Torn calls scalar interpolation maybe overly theoretical ).
Theory just explains things and maybe suggests different approaches (hides in case Andrew hears me say that ). The main thing is be musical and let your ears guide you. Don't be afraid to experiment and try things out - there's time enough.
Main/most important bit though is to have fun.
Cheers,
Tony
Sorry btw for such a long post Robin. Not sure where you stand theory wise so I thought I'd try to cover something for most people.
Cheers,
Tony
let me guess, im late again?
if its place for me, ill give it a try
edit- oops overlooked something, ill give it a try
Of course you're in AudunESP . Look forward to the contribution mate.
Cheers,
Tony
Ok, it took me a while but here is the backing track ...
Tony, let me know if this was what you intended, if not I can re-record.
Knock out Andrew . Wonderful and thanks for helping = appreciated.
Cheers,
Tony
Tony, here it's still chaos.
My excuses for not being finished:
* Project end this week at my work
* I'm hunting the builders down to have them finish what they started. They should have been finished two weeks ago but when they promised that they finish the rest at no cost... and all of a sudden they don't show up. Small stuff in left in the bathroom and a tiny bit of carpentry.
* What remains after that I'm doing myself
So I have a full scedule so to say. This collaboration of course has the HIGEST priority, it's just that a few other things have a little higher priority than that.
Just wait for it or sack me I it can't wait I understand you have to get it finished so if you want to exchange me it's cool.
Heh, I had trouble finding time to put the backing track together, haven't even begun to think about a solo yet, I will definitely tab this one out., and it will take me a while, so I sens that this will be a laid back and long term collaboration
No rush MickeM,
collaboration is open for ages yet.
I have similar problems with builders here btw so can empathise with you on that one . Odd bit - we've been trying to pay our electrician for three weeks now and he keeps on not turning up to get his money .
Think I must have scared him as we said there were a few minor snagging bits left for him to sort out .
Cheers,
Tony
ps - shoot me if I ever say I will build a house from scratch again .
I wont have my computer/recording gear for a few weeks >_< so I cant record anything either, not yet atleast.
In on this, seems like a great opportunity to solidify my theoretic knowledge.
No rush Robin - plenty of time left yet. And hi KRmachine - enjoy.
Cheers,
Tony
Hi,
Is this collaboration still runing? I want to participate.....
Sure is Coffeeman - welcome. (It's open til XMas.)
Cheers,
Tony
Wow,Andrew provided lovely Backing,think I'm gonna hit few notes!!
Ok,here's my shot.
If it's ok Tony,I'll provide it without backing track as well.
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Was joking but thanks Andrew!
I'm not sure how good I am in some styles but I try to do my best,
it's just that I don't like to be a prisoner of one thing/style.
And this Jazz collab is great really,looking forward to more participants!!
So if you were joking does that mean you can do techno, electro and hip hop Muris .
Cheers,
Tony
Andrew any tips on great knock back phrases for Muris' collab
Ahh,you know my english sucks as hell Tony
Ok,what I did is that I plugged my guitar into Pandora,than with stereo cable in PC.
Card is E-MU 1820m which is semi-pro imo.
And I used Reaper to record along with BT you provided here.
And solo.
Mostly I was moving around C major(A minor) scale and pentatonic scale,
with chromatic adds-on below or above desired note.
And there is one OUT over G 7/+5 where I played pieces of C# scale.
Combined with this G chord it smells like semi-whole tone scale.
Not nuclear physic tho.
Very true - I'm just being pedantic Muris (nothing new there ). All chromatics are neighbouring tones but not all neighbouring tones are chromatics .
Regardless of me being a pedant it's a great solo both feel and stylistically.
Cheers,
Tony
(I'm just desperately hunting around to offer you something by way of constructive critique when the time comes . I need to say something like 'Very good but you need to think about X.' Not an easy one to find gaps in mate - you could have thought about poor me the critic and made my life easy and fluffed the solo rather then acing it )
You are always the same Tony,smart and funny!
Did I say,glad you have you here!
I'll diminish then
Here's track without backing
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Thanks Muris - really appreciate it .
Cheers,
Tony
Is this possible,no more players?????
Thanks Muris for asking,
Yes there is still time guys - collaboration piece are needed by Xmas day so you still have a little over a month. Could be good for people who've practicings Ben's Jazz lessons, improvising and modes
Cheers,
Tony
Wow, somehow this slipped under my radar. Just have to say Muris that was awesome, I really like the way you captured the jazz vibe with that! o.O;
Hello everyone!
Got back from a week of just metronome practicing and Cubase experimenting!
Too bad I'm still stuck in boxes and shape thinking...
Do you mind if I try seomething here?
Cheers!
Tony, congrats on your promotion, you really deserved it!
Of course you can Eddy. And thanks for the good wishes.
Cheers,
Tony
Hi Tony! Here's my effort...
I am far too behind to think of the chords while playing, as you know I'm still stuck in boxes!
So what I did was just to try to play the melody that came to my mind, as Muris always suggests.
Hope it's ok, at least I gave it a try!
Cheers! Eddie
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This is such a sweet backing - I will have a go too if there's still room??
Yes just save your file as an attachment PlayAllDay - if you can two files, one just you and the other you plus the backing. You should just be able to download the file and save to disc as you would any mp3. Works ok here so I'm not sure why yours doesn't .
Cheers,
Tony
Thanks Tony - I finally figured it out - well, sort of...
I can download these mp3's if I use Explorer but not if I log in on Firefox. Wierd and I don't know why...
I'm on Firefox as well and no problems for me
Have you used "Save As" option?
Yes - when I do that it tries to save it as an index.php which is odd
Lucky I have IE
Yeah,rename .php into .mp3,shall work fine
Thanks Muris and Andrew - you are certainly boys with brains!
It worked!
Great,now give us some Jazzzzzzzzz
Hi Tony, any suggestions?
Did you like my "burrito" attempt?
Can't wait to come and see you with Muris
and chat over a nice Paella!!!!
Have a lovely evening!
Cheers, Eddie
BTW, thank you to everyone who posted those nice and encouraging comments!!!
See ya!
Hi Eddie,
I'm trying to hold off from commenting until all the submissions are in m8 . Hope you don't mind.
Cheers,
Tony
Here is my first attempmt, I just want to hear your opinions , and then I'll record a better one, i know it has a couple of mistakes but i just want you to hear the idea...so listen and kill me please.
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P.D Eddie nice work!
Just a quick reminder all that contributions are due XMas day - so there is still time for anyone else who wants to join to get one in.
BTW Coffeeman - I'm holding off commenting until all are in but if anyone else wants to in the mean time please do.
Cheers,
Tony
I'll have a go! Sound like fun. We got a chord scheme written out somewhere?
Sure thing David - here it is:
It's a jazz progression in C major based on the common I VI II V I run. In this case the chords are CM7, Am9, Am7, Dm9, Dm7, G9, Dm6/9 (or G13 with no root), Bb9, Fm6/9 (Bb13 no root) and CM7. 4 bars of I, 4 of VI, 4 II and 2 of V plus 2 of I before it loops. First CM7 uses two different voicings of the M7th, one with the B as the upper note (as an Em triad over C bass) and one as the standard 8th position CM7. Standard 4/4 in 122 bpm.
Cheers,
Tony
Thanks tony, should be able to have some fun with that. II-V-Is are always nice to solo over in Jazz!
Do we have a backing track somewhere?
I'll give it a bash when I get home from work.
Np David - the full backing track is the attached file at the bottom of post no. 1 - the one called GMC Jazz Collaboration.
Cheers,
Tony
Heres my bash at it, it was the first take I played and it kinda worked so I thought I may aswel stop while I'm winning
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Hope ya like!
David
Nice take David.
Tony, sorry for hijacking
NP at all Muris, I'm more then happy for people to make comments as we go along- I'm just holding off until the closing date .
How many takes are we still awaiting? I'm eager to hear this one.
Its gonna be smooooth y'all!
Here my little contribution. I tried to keep it as interesting as possible taking in consider that there is just one key center.
Cheers Ivan .
Closing day is Xmas day David - so a few more days to wait I'm afraid - plus a couple more for me to assemble my daughter's Polly Pocket Airplane and Runway toy before I can remix the contributions .
Oh gosh - I've just remembered this collab! I hope I'm not too late - I'll finish off the track and upload it asap, but if it's too late Tony don't worry about including mine...
OK Muris - pop your beret back on and have a listen
All comments very welcome - good bad and ugly inclusive...
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NP PlayAllDay,
I'm only just back on line after a much more hectic XMas then I thought.
So apologies for the delay guys. I'll download the collabs today and go through them over the next couple of days .
Cheers all for taking part.
Tony
Oh thank goodness!
I forgot that I forgot about finishing the upload and then when I remembered to start again I got distracted and forgot - then I forgot that I forgot and luckily I remembered that I forgot - just in time it seems
Now what was I doing? I seem to have forgotten
Thanks Andrew
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