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Anders Karlsson
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Hi, I´ve just got my eyes on this. Does anyone have some input here, if you compare this to Helix or similar? Which do you prefer and why?
If you compare this with Kemper (I know a Kemper is a totally different story) but the price is twice as high compare to a Hughes and Kettner.

I have not heard that much about this gear.

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That HK is a nice amp smile.gif Plain and simple, it's a nice tube amp with good quality sound. It's certainly no kemper, as it just sounds like the amp that it is, instead of sounding like every amp in the world which is what the kemper does. If you want a mid wattage tube amp that doesn't weigh a ton, and puts out enough volume to keep up with a drummer and can trim back for home use, it's a good call imho smile.gif But as always it's a lot about budget. The helix is not powered so if you get a helix you'll need a power amp as well. You can buy a powered kemper but it's more than the non powered kemper. So it comes back to budget. For the money, that's a nice amp.

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Hi, I´ve just got my eyes on this. Does anyone have some input here, if you compare this to Helix or similar? Which do you prefer and why?
If you compare this with Kemper (I know a Kemper is a totally different story) but the price is twice as high compare to a Hughes and Kettner.

I have not heard that much about this gear.

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Some people comments it sound being a cross of a mesa and marshall, I never got my hands on one so can't comment further but the di included (redbox) is well respected so I wouldn't expect a bad sound when connected to the computer for direct recording.

Also preferring a recording head over something like a Kemper has its benefits. You make a sound thats best for you within a nice limitation vs getting confused over options with something like a Kemper.

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Good point. It's not over complicated, you just turn some knobs and get your tone. Your not overwhelmed by the endless options such as sometimes the case with kemper.
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Some people comments it sound being a cross of a mesa and marshall, I never got my hands on one so can't comment further but the di included (redbox) is well respected so I wouldn't expect a bad sound when connected to the computer for direct recording.

Also preferring a recording head over something like a Kemper has its benefits. You make a sound thats best for you within a nice limitation vs getting confused over options with something like a Kemper.

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Okej, at the moment Im using Guitar rig and I have a Line 6 Flextone 2. My Line6 have have some glitches and its not worth reparing. I have to buy a new amp. Is it worth thoose extra money for a Hughes And Kettner comparing my software (Guitar rig) and just buy a new cab? I dont see much talking about Guitar rig in this forum.

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I don't know the amp but I checked it just now and I like the concept of being able to save 128 settings of an analog settings.

Just make sure it's playable at bedroom levels otherwise there is a risk it might not completely serve the same purpose as your line 6. (IE if that's important to you)

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If that amp is in your budget, it's a good buy and it will keep it's value. You can use it in low power mode for use in home recording/practice. But it is a TUBE AMP HEAD. It's sole purpose of being is to play near stage volume. You can achieve similar tone quality with a decent interface and a good plugin. Also, it's much more flexible for production/mixing being able to use a plugin that you can change the settings on at any time during recording/mixdown. Reamping with an amp is just a lot more work than turning a couple of knobs.
So it really comes down to what you want to do and how much you want to spend. If you are planning on playing in a band, playing gigs, then having a real amp/cab can come in handy. It's not required but it's handy. Plug it in and it just works.

However, if are mostly a bedroom musician, honestly, you can get a lot of mileage out of a good set of guitar plugins, decent audio inteface and good monitors. It is better set for home recording/production imho. So what is it you want to do?
For example, the only time I use my guitar cab and amp head is when I'm doing a demo of a guitar pedal. That's it. I don't carry it it anywhere, it's a pain to tote it. So even though I'm a plugin fan, I still have an amp smile.gif Though recently I've been pairing down all this gear as I don't really use most of it.

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Okej, at the moment Im using Guitar rig and I have a Line 6 Flextone 2. My Line6 have have some glitches and its not worth reparing. I have to buy a new amp. Is it worth thoose extra money for a Hughes And Kettner comparing my software (Guitar rig) and just buy a new cab? I dont see much talking about Guitar rig in this forum.

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Not to say unusable (there are actually quite interesting fx in it) but guitar rig hasn't been updated for a very long time and the market these days offer so much.

Its really about your workflow to prefer a route but to me software has its place compared to analog. Take Todd's recent video's for example, he compared amps with a few mouse clicks, if they were real heads imagine the routing/re-amping he had to go though. Since many of us are more interested in recording rather than playing in a band, software or a processor is preferable.

On the other hand, if you can play at decent levels a real amps feel is something very special. I sometimes connect my processor to my old peavey's fx loop (its preamp sucks but love the cab.) on weekends and shred for fun, somehow things feel easier to play.

I have a friend who has a very nice collection of amps and guitars, the more he gets into recording the more he prefers software. But we also jam everytime we meet (will see him tomorrow) with the real amps and its so much fun.

If the HK will be a serious hit to your budget take a look at the Boss Katana too. It gets more use than the mesa mark V at my friends collection.

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It really does come down to what you plan on using it for and what you want to spend.
OPTION A: Home Recordist:*If you are planning on mostly being a home recordist (and assuming you don't already have all this gear, which I"m not sure as I don't remember seeing it mentioned?, then you can buy a nice audio interface like a scarlett ($150), and a nice pair of powered audio monitors like the Yahama HS or KRK ($500), and a couple of nice guitar vst plugins (Fortin Nameless for shear amp tone $150, Amplitube for sheer variety of FX and expansion $150) and be at about the $1,000 mark which is about where a new tube meister 40 will put you. However, you will need a speaker cab for the tube meister if you don't already have one so add another $200 for that.

OPTION B: JAMMING / GIGGING / RECORDING USING AN AMPTube Meister ($1,000 roughly, plus $200 guitar cab, plus $100 microphone plus $150 audio interface and $500 speakers). Essentially most of the same stuff as before but using a microphone instead of plugins. This setup is best for jamming with friends and playing live. You can also record with it, it's just not nearly as flexible which is why so many home recordists use option A.
Hope this helps smile.gif As was mentioned Guitar Rig is a bit out of Date. I was a big fan several years ago but it just stopped and other packages moved on. I'm a big fan of OVERLOUD TH2 and TH3 currently as they are so flexible and sound amazing. But it's a boutique sort of package thats made in Italy and not many folks have it and it's complex as heck to set up properly.
One option that I have to mention just because it's soooo cheap is the 11 Rack which is going for about the price of a decent plugin. They stopped development on the unit but the unit still sounds quite good imho and it's very cheap. It's also a recording interface so you can skip buying one of those. Just the 11 and a pair of powered monitors and bam, you have your home studio. Add a power amp/cab or even a combo amp and you can play live/jam.

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Not to say unusable (there are actually quite interesting fx in it) but guitar rig hasn't been updated for a very long time and the market these days offer so much.

Its really about your workflow to prefer a route but to me software has its place compared to analog. Take Todd's recent video's for example, he compared amps with a few mouse clicks, if they were real heads imagine the routing/re-amping he had to go though. Since many of us are more interested in recording rather than playing in a band, software or a processor is preferable.

On the other hand, if you can play at decent levels a real amps feel is something very special. I sometimes connect my processor to my old peavey's fx loop (its preamp sucks but love the cab.) on weekends and shred for fun, somehow things feel easier to play.

I have a friend who has a very nice collection of amps and guitars, the more he gets into recording the more he prefers software. But we also jam everytime we meet (will see him tomorrow) with the real amps and its so much fun.

If the HK will be a serious hit to your budget take a look at the Boss Katana too. It gets more use than the mesa mark V at my friends collection.


It really does come down to what you plan on using it for and what you want to spend.
OPTION A: Home Recordist:*If you are planning on mostly being a home recordist (and assuming you don't already have all this gear, which I"m not sure as I don't remember seeing it mentioned?, then you can buy a nice audio interface like a scarlett ($150), and a nice pair of powered audio monitors like the Yahama HS or KRK ($500), and a couple of nice guitar vst plugins (Fortin Nameless for shear amp tone $150, Amplitube for sheer variety of FX and expansion $150) and be at about the $1,000 mark which is about where a new tube meister 40 will put you. However, you will need a speaker cab for the tube meister if you don't already have one so add another $200 for that.

OPTION B: JAMMING / GIGGING / RECORDING USING AN AMPTube Meister ($1,000 roughly, plus $200 guitar cab, plus $100 microphone plus $150 audio interface and $500 speakers). Essentially most of the same stuff as before but using a microphone instead of plugins. This setup is best for jamming with friends and playing live. You can also record with it, it's just not nearly as flexible which is why so many home recordists use option A.
Hope this helps smile.gif As was mentioned Guitar Rig is a bit out of Date. I was a big fan several years ago but it just stopped and other packages moved on. I'm a big fan of OVERLOUD TH2 and TH3 currently as they are so flexible and sound amazing. But it's a boutique sort of package thats made in Italy and not many folks have it and it's complex as heck to set up properly.
One option that I have to mention just because it's soooo cheap is the 11 Rack which is going for about the price of a decent plugin. They stopped development on the unit but the unit still sounds quite good imho and it's very cheap. It's also a recording interface so you can skip buying one of those. Just the 11 and a pair of powered monitors and bam, you have your home studio. Add a power amp/cab or even a combo amp and you can play live/jam.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Sep 21 2018, 05:01 PM) *
Not to say unusable (there are actually quite interesting fx in it) but guitar rig hasn't been updated for a very long time and the market these days offer so much.

Its really about your workflow to prefer a route but to me software has its place compared to analog. Take Todd's recent video's for example, he compared amps with a few mouse clicks, if they were real heads imagine the routing/re-amping he had to go though. Since many of us are more interested in recording rather than playing in a band, software or a processor is preferable.

On the other hand, if you can play at decent levels a real amps feel is something very special. I sometimes connect my processor to my old peavey's fx loop (its preamp sucks but love the cab.) on weekends and shred for fun, somehow things feel easier to play.

I have a friend who has a very nice collection of amps and guitars, the more he gets into recording the more he prefers software. But we also jam everytime we meet (will see him tomorrow) with the real amps and its so much fun.

If the HK will be a serious hit to your budget take a look at the Boss Katana too. It gets more use than the mesa mark V at my friends collection.

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Thx for input, I appreciate it. Todd mentioned two options here and number one is definitely for me. Im not playing in a band and I dont use my (now broken) amplifier very often. I really need to figure out what I need. I´ve been targeting the Kemper for a while but I dont know if its something for a glad amateur like me:) Its very expensive. Mayby Helix could be a nice substitute for kemper, or just stick around with plugins and audio monitors togehter with my headphones.

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What tones are you looking for? I also have the yamaha thr10 for practicing and it sounds amazingly good (at just a fraction of Kemper's price).

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From the sound of it, you could get by with a couple of plugins, some decent monitors and some decent headphones while you weigh your options on whether you need a helix or not. You can get the helix plugin for about half the price of the actual helix and the algorithms are the same. You can get the HELIX LT for less than the regular helix. But then again, that box is more of a live tool imho as it's meant for performance. You can use it for reamping but as mentioned, it's a lot more of a pain in the neck to reamp than it is to just change the settings on your plugins while you record/mix.

still, some folks like to have something they can just power on and play through headphones or monitors without having to have a computer involved, which makes sense too smile.gif It sounds like the kemper may be complete overkill given where you are at right now. Also, given the expense of the unit. But in the end, it comes down to you smile.gif

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Thx for input, I appreciate it. Todd mentioned two options here and number one is definitely for me. Im not playing in a band and I dont use my (now broken) amplifier very often. I really need to figure out what I need. I´ve been targeting the Kemper for a while but I dont know if its something for a glad amateur like me:) Its very expensive. Mayby Helix could be a nice substitute for kemper, or just stick around with plugins and audio monitors togehter with my headphones.

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