Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen |
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May 17 2020, 11:53 AM
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2nd Generation 2i4 user here. I often need the two inputs and midi
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May 17 2020, 01:20 PM
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Love my 2nd Gen 18i8
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May 17 2020, 01:31 PM
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I can't even imagine you having a USB 2.0
https://www.amazon.com/Steinberg-UR22C-Inte...sr=8-1&th=1 This post has been edited by jstcrsn: May 17 2020, 01:32 PM |
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May 18 2020, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 18 2020, 11:25 AM)  What do you mean with audient offerings? https://audient.com Specifically the iD series, these also are quite popular QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 18 2020, 12:29 PM) ... I think I understand what you mean but you are referring to HQ recording samples like 24 bit 96khz right? With USB speed/latency, I remember reading data on 2.0 vs 3.0 and what was also surprising is not all 2.0 soundcards have the same speed. RME (German brand, one of the best) for example though using USB 2.0 surpassed USB 3.0 in speed cause of high quality (and higher cost) components. |
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May 18 2020, 11:39 PM
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Your information is incorrect on USB 3 vs 2. Please read this article. Bottom line, there is no benefit in round trip latency for using USB 3.0 vs 2.0. In practical terms it just doesn't help.
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/arti...-2-0-vs-USB-3-0 From the aricle "Firstly, although USB 3.0 offers greater bandwidth than USB 2.0, it will deliver no round trip latency benefits over USB 2.0. This is due to the architecture of the host computer driver stack and its handling of USB audio (isochronous) data. The stack schedules data transfers to and from audio drivers at millisecond frame intervals which means that, no matter how fast the data moves over the USB bus, this defines the limit on minimum latency achievable." I'm only recording one channel at a time and the latency on this unit is the reason I bought it. It's got a super low latency compared with units in a similar price range and has better components inside. It's got the same parts as the more expensive versions, just has fewer inputts. So for the price, it's just unbeatable imho. The latency is lower than any of my other interfaces and it's so quick there is no audible latency or any artifacting/popping etc. I pulled uup a huge logic project with 32 tracks of midi and guitars and it plays perfectly. USB 2 is more than fast enough for music applications. The Third Gen of Scarlett QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 18 2020, 10:08 AM) no matter how fast you get USB 2.0 your "box" size is finite , but usb 3 has ten times the boxes moving in conjunction with not behind one another , so you can put ten times the amount if information before it starts "lagging" causing popping
I.E. multiple channels with plugins all running simultaneously Box size means the amount of data usb can send before it gets full and has to get moved to another box , i am using it for a visual usb 2 480 MBPS usb 3 4800 MBPS This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: May 18 2020, 11:40 PM |
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May 19 2020, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 18 2020, 11:39 PM) Your information is incorrect on USB 3 vs 2. Please read this article. Bottom line, there is no benefit in round trip latency for using USB 3.0 vs 2.0. In practical terms it just doesn't help. https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/arti...-2-0-vs-USB-3-0 . This is due to the architecture of the host computer driver stack and its handling of USB audio (isochronous) data. The stack schedules data transfers to and from audio drivers at millisecond frame intervals which means that, no matter how fast the data moves over the USB bus, this defines the limit on minimum latency achievable." [/i]The Third Gen of Scarlett have read this many times and others in my attempt to understand USB 2, C ,3,2c, 3c and thunderbolt and am not incorrect ,it is just as fast unless you exceed 480 MBPS Focusrite has "focused 'on USB 2 , do you think they will put out an article saying their product is inferior once again usb 2 480MBPS vs USB3 at 4800 MBPS , do you see what that article did , it sold you on the fact that 480 is equal to 4,800 This article is BS read that quote it says the host computer is responsible if that were true gen 3 would not work any better than gen 1 on the same computer..so is it the computer or the interface This post has been edited by jstcrsn: May 19 2020, 02:01 AM |
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May 19 2020, 02:28 AM
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Here is another article from MASTERS OF SOUND about USB 3.0 OFFERINGING NO BENEFITS. If I'd have discovered USB 3 was a big factor, I'd have bought a usb 3 interface. All of my research showed that it was sorta pointless to be honest. But whatever floats your boat
You'll probably say this article is B.S. as well?https://masters-of-music.com/stop-asking-fo...rs-no-benefits/ Here is an article from AUDIENT saying the same thing. https://audient.com/tutorial/usb-in-audio/ And another article from AUDIO MASTER CLASS saying the same thing. USB 3 is pointless for audio. https://www.audiomasterclass.com/newsletter...ace-fast-enough "As exciting as it might seem, USB 3.0 might just not be the future of audio interfaces. Of course it is faster than USB 2.0, but only in the sense that it can carry more data traffic and therefore more channels. It doesn't get the data there any quicker so there is no advantage in latency over USB 2.0. For general computer use the higher bandwidth of USB 3.0 is great, but for we specialized audio users it's a bit of a disappointment. The tiny number of USB 3.0 audio interfaces that are available seems to support this conclusion." I researched this quite in depth before my purchase. However, if you have any information/links you'd like to share that supports your point, I'd love to read them. So far, you entire argument is unsupported and anecdotal. Please do provide any links you may have that lead you to this view. I'm very curious to see them. Or is your view based just on your own "common sense" approach? Your assertion that gen "it's based on the host is BS" doesn't track either to be honest as we know that gen 1 is very restricted in terms of bandwidth. Gen 2 is NOT restricted in the same way and has plenty of bandwidth for audio. So those two specs are wildly different. And yes, computer speed does have a lot to do with usb 2and usb 3 performance since processing is done by the host machine, not by USB which is just about data transfer and leans on the host cpu for most of it's work. Having worked in tech support for several years, I always look carefully at new specs to determine what they might mean for my music poduction. I don't rely on "common sense" for this as it's often misleading. I do the research and go by the facts. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 18 2020, 08:49 PM) have read this many times and others in my attempt to understand USB 2, C ,3,2c, 3c and thunderbolt and am not incorrect ,it is just as fast unless you exceed 480 MBPS Focusrite has "focused 'on USB 2 , do you think they will put out an article saying their product is inferior once again usb 2 480MBPS vs USB3 at 4800 MBPS , do you see what that article did , it sold you on the fact that 480 is equal to 4,800 This article is BS read that quote it says the host computer is responsible if that were true gen 3 would not work any better than gen 1 on the same computer..so is it the computer or the interface You are spot on Mertay. USB 3.0 offers no benefits in terms of recording music. I shared 3 of the article I found about this with him in my reply post. I've read many people saying what he is saying in vairous online forums. It seems like it would be true, but sadly, its just not. It's a case where common sense actually leads to the wrong conclusion. QUOTE (Mertay @ May 18 2020, 09:09 AM) https://audient.com RME (German brand, one of the best) for example though using USB 2.0 surpassed USB 3.0 in speed cause of high quality (and higher cost) components. The GEN 3 has great specs and great parts especially for the price. I researched quite a bit and even looked at usb 3 based units. My research indicated the usb 3 spec didn't really help at all for audio, but was being pitched as "future proof" with nothing other than that slogan to support it. The new scarlett has a bigger version of course, just like the last gen. They all use the same preamp/electronics and have great headroom/low noise/low latency. For the price they are the ones to beat. QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 17 2020, 02:19 AM) Very nice, I have been looking for something with more inputs than my duet usb, but it seems most options with similar A/D quality get very expensive.
It would be very interesting to know how yours compares! This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: May 19 2020, 02:38 AM |
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May 19 2020, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 19 2020, 06:17 AM) Thanks, I didn't know the brand. Both EV8 and the id series could be interesting. It will all boil down to their A/D quality - and I need to try to find some comparative reviews. The list goes like focusrite for affordable, audient id series if one wants to up the quality but still stay in affordable area, then RME (babyface) for a small but HQ option. The evo's are fairly new and likely to compete with focusrite but I'm not sure of their quality. You could also check RME cause it should be much cheaper in EU than it is in USA. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ May 19 2020, 12:49 AM) ... Your logic is correct but the only thing is for guitar playing (only 1 input, maybe 2) as in your example "1 box" is enough data to be transferred. Thats why in such use usb-2 or 3 doesn't matter, but as said if there were more inputs involved then usb-3 will be needed. The real argument is the stenberg soundcard you shared offers 32-bit recording, this is likely why they prefered usb 3.0 for that soundcard. 32-bit recording benefits though is a whole different argument... https://www.amazon.com/Steinberg-UR22C-Inte...sr=8-1&th=1 This post has been edited by Mertay: May 19 2020, 10:58 AM |
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May 19 2020, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ May 19 2020, 10:57 AM) . 32-bit recording benefits though is a whole different argument... I'm game if you are  QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ May 19 2020, 11:37 AM) Thanks for the tip. I did some googling and it seems my issue is the same - My Duet2 usb is still extremely competitive sound quality wise. So unless I am ready to downgrade sound quality - I am probably looking at a +$1000 interface to get more inputs.. Argh! your duet probably has the edge sound wise , but this might be cheaper if your computer supports usb 3.0 https://www.amazon.com/Steinberg-UR22C-Inte...sr=8-1&th=1 |
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