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Posted by: skennington Jan 11 2009, 10:30 PM

Discuss your thoughts and ideas in here guys..

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 11 2009, 10:34 PM

Woohoo. Hey guys and great to be in a virtual band with you all. I think we should tackle a cover first as it's a bit easier to start with before working on an original song. What do you guys think.

Just a small intro:

I'm Paul. My favourite genres are metal, classic rock, jazz, country, blues and electronic music like Kraftwerk. I'm 24 for the next 13 days and I'm a fairly alright rhythm guitarist and can play some lead lines.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 11 2009, 10:48 PM

Hey there guys!
I'm almost 34, and I'm from Poland. Call me Peter....

I'm into metal, eventually rock. I can play rythm guitars Plus I can mix, record and so on...

Yeah, for the first shot it should be some cover, and then we can go for something original

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 11 2009, 10:54 PM

If we wait for everybody to say hello and the leader to come in the thread we can discuss options but I'll leave all the details for the leader to sort out

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 03:27 PM

Is anyone else alive?

Posted by: utak3r Jan 12 2009, 03:32 PM

lol.... don't say it will be a duo

Posted by: Crazyfret Jan 12 2009, 03:51 PM

Appologies for my tardyness!

Ok I'll give a brief into;

My name is Craig, I'm 38 and live in Marple, England.

I like rock, blues, jazz and metal. Play on a Jap Fender Strat through a PodXt and record with Reaper. I'm a reasonable rhythm player and can play fairly easy lead lines, (its an area I'm working on).

I'm happy to do a cover first of all to gague our strengths.

Looking forward to recording with you all

Posted by: Paiva Jan 12 2009, 03:51 PM

Hi and thanks OC for sending me a message! I can play solos and rhythm and I'm interesting in all styles really I just don't know how to play country very well but rock blues jazz and some metal I can play them I think!

And yeah I'm Tiago Paiva so call me Paiva or Tiago if you want I'm from Portugal and I'm 14 you can see my first recording in the link in my sig I'm pretty new to recording as you can see!

I'm very happy about this!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 03:55 PM

Cool. Welcome to the thread guys. Now we just need to wait for the chief and Jesse. I'm sure leedbreak and jesse will be around soon.

I think we should do a classic bluesy rock cover first but we'll see what leedbreak and jesse think as well as you guys

Posted by: Paiva Jan 12 2009, 04:03 PM

Yeah for me it's fine! Did you think about any band?

EDIT: I'm now in the chat if you want to talk a bit

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 04:07 PM

Something like Deep Purple, ZZ Top, AC DC etc. maybe?

Posted by: Paiva Jan 12 2009, 04:10 PM

Yeah those would be cool and I have to say that I'm kindda in love with your guitar that you use for record you rchallenges the Parker Fly with the pickguard it's beautiful!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 04:14 PM

I do love that guitar lots and my other two Parker guitars are great also

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 12 2009, 05:46 PM

Well, may I say welcome to everyone. My name is Jason and I am 42 years old. I have be playing since 19 years old but all that time may have been wasted to a degree as I never learned in importance of structured practices, till GMC. I am a very busy man and may only get to come in here once a day. but I will once a day, at the least.

This will be a lot of fun and we can make some great music.

I feel to just go with a metal/rock song first will be best since it is likely a genre we all are familiar with

The best way to get started is I will post a few drum tracks for you all to play along with and be creative. Please make sure you can post your ideas with and with out the drum backing just as we do in the collaborations. We all must record over the same drums to keep timing in check. It is a nightmare to do it any other way. The drums will be re-written to allow a better fill to the final mix but for now they are there to keep us all in time

Once we get a couple of rhythms posted we will decide which one(s) to go with as a starting point as well as a key and tempo.

Every one please make at least one take so we are all involved from the get go and have a lot to choose from.

I will take these first takes and try to mix them together. I will then post more drum tracks to make bridges and the a mixed tack for solos and lyrics if we go that far.

I will post the drum tracks later today and will have one at like 90, 100, 110, 120, bpm

Also please post the chord progressions and if you know you are playing in a certain key please state so. This makes things go faster.

I would like for you all to upload a least one take within 7 days from the date I post the drums, which should be before mid night tonight US time.

Check your instruments tuning right before your take, all is 440 for now. Make sure you recording level is up some but not to high.

I can’t wait to hear your takes.

As we go along all suggestions are welcome.



- Jason

Posted by: Jesse Jan 12 2009, 05:54 PM

Hey, Just saw my pick! I'mbusy, MTP, VB, wow:D Cool stuff. I'm jesse, from holland and im 15. I got a fender strat and I will paly anything really except funk. Rythm/Lead, I'll do it both. Lead is my preference though. ZZ top, ac/dc would be great, since they are among my favourite bands. Leed, are we like going to WRITE an own song? Or are we just covering? Both cool, we need a name though! What about..... ehm..... ehm.... Dark Light:D

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jan 12 2009, 05:58 PM

I will track this topic and I expect some cool uploads here

Congratulations everybody who got into the band

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 12 2009, 06:00 PM

Well, I like doing originals. So yes we are writing from scratch. Name, I am not sure that is necessary with the new VB format but we can keep it in mind.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 06:02 PM

I think you're looking for this topic: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23406&st=0&start=0

I'm joking. This is should be good and I'm sure we can get some good ideas going on. Just sorry to everybody who has been lumped with my super guitar skills


I'm happy enough to work on original stuff and will jam ideas to a backing track for sure. Can I do bass and guitar on my recording?

Posted by: Jesse Jan 12 2009, 06:05 PM

Ok... originals. Should be fun. Maybe a Hard rock track? Ac/dc style. Metal can get really complicated.
I'd be happy to do anything though!

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 12 2009, 06:07 PM

Please do, but I may ask for the bass and or guitar separately as well. You may also be asked to do bass over other people takes. Doing bass will help so much, thanks.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 06:09 PM

Bass is fine by me as I'm a bass player rather than a guitarist anyway so I'm happy to do bass to all peoples riffage as well as my own We should be able to create a good song from this

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 12 2009, 06:12 PM

Yes, all is welcome in this beginning stage. Minds and ideas are all open. I also feel that simplicity is the key in this beginner band format.



COOL, knowing bass is covered is very helpfull already. A bass solo may even be in the longer term

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 12 2009, 06:12 PM

Well if you post some backings then I will get some ideas recorded over the week and then we can all decide on which riffs and ideas we really like and which ones fit together in a similar style and try and create a song with them all.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 12 2009, 06:19 PM

I'm really glad you choose to make an original
I'm pretty sure that if everyone will post some ideas, we'll choose something and then we can start filling it up.

That is so cool

ahh.... how about some name?

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 12 2009, 07:29 PM

Here you go. I find writing to this drum beat very easy to do. I hope you all do to. If you have any problems let me know.

The beat is the same in all just the speed is different. They are about 30 sec each, but your ideas must not be this long. Do not worry about starting when the track starts but keeping it in time is what we are after.

Remember we are tossing ideas for this first week or so. Sweet Picking, crunch rhythms and cool riffs are all needed to start with. If someone post a very cool rhythm and some one else post a very cool picking part one may have to re-record at a different tempo but we will get to that later. Please post chord progression and maybe even tabs if you would like.

Few chords in a progression played no more a couple times is all we need right now. No fancy changes or fills just yet. Get out your creativity hat a have fun.

Remember if you play in a certain key please state it.

 90_BPM.mp3 ( 315.41K ) : 260

 100_BPM.mp3 ( 283.98K ) : 246

 110_BPM.mp3 ( 258.47K ) : 232

 120_BPM.mp3 ( 237.04K ) : 238

 130_BPM.mp3 ( 218.88K ) : 254




I recorded a sample of what I want you to do. This will not be the time for anything real complex. Once we get a couple a basic ideas down we will lock in a key and tempo for everyone to write to.

THIS is a sample only LOL

 Rythem_Sample_at_130.mp3 ( 159.29K ) : 271


 Rythem_Sample_at_130NO_backing.mp3 ( 159.29K ) : 254
Same take with drums mutted

E5, C5, D5, B5, repeated once

7 Days from right now this portion will be closed and we will move on.


thanks everyone, this will be fun

Posted by: Paiva Jan 12 2009, 08:27 PM

Cool man trying to work something out

Posted by: Jesse Jan 13 2009, 09:32 AM

Nice backings! I'll see what I can do!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 13 2009, 09:57 AM

I have an idea of a riff that I will record tonight. I just hope it fits the drums as I haven't been able to listen along yet just jam on some riffs on a guitar. I will post tonight

Posted by: utak3r Jan 13 2009, 03:39 PM

ok, please clarify it for me:
you want just ideas, few bars for every rythm I come up with - and every of them recorded as a solo take, too - right?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 13 2009, 03:40 PM

Yep that's the one. Upload as many ideas as you want just upload one take with drums and guitar and other with just the guitar and no backing.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 13 2009, 04:05 PM

As he said. We don't need a ton of them but a couple or three that you really like should get us started.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 13 2009, 04:07 PM

ok.
So as I understand, then we'll start working on that few chosen phrases, right?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 13 2009, 04:09 PM

haha. Yeah, no notebook full of riffs uploaded of course. Would it help if I uploaded a tab of the riffs I record also on bass and guitar in guitar pro format?

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 13 2009, 04:10 PM

Can't wait to hear it.

If you have trouble getting something to fit the drums we can work something out NP.

If you or someone chooses to use a different drum pattern he will need to upload the drums alone as well. That way we still have the tempo keeper for all others to play over if we decide to use your riff / rhythm.


Thanks all







Tabs and chord progression are always a big help.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 13 2009, 04:12 PM

Awesome. Well I will post an update tonight

Posted by: utak3r Jan 13 2009, 07:26 PM

Do you prefer uploading in the next week, when we have all of our ideas, or one after another?....
I'm asking 'cause I've recorded two ideas already - and I'm sure I'll find something other

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 13 2009, 10:50 PM

Upload when ever ready

Posted by: utak3r Jan 13 2009, 11:29 PM

OK, here it goes... first two riffs.
Both of them are made in two versions - second version is with an additional harmony guitar, we can use one of them or both versions

Samples are a bit longer, so one could actually hear them before they end
Both of them are played @ 120bpm, and recorded that way we can loop them (although in a final work of course they need to be played normally...)


riff 1 sample
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both guitars from the riff 1
 riff_01_wnbt_guitar1.mp3 ( 188.7K ) : 255

 riff_01_wnbt_guitar2.mp3 ( 188.7K ) : 245


riff 2 sample
 riff_02_wbt.mp3 ( 751.35K ) : 262


both guitars from the riff 2
 riff_02_wnbt_guitar1.mp3 ( 188.7K ) : 241

 riff_02_wnbt_guitar2.mp3 ( 188.7K ) : 247



will be continued...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 13 2009, 11:32 PM

hey. Sorry I thought this was going to turn out good but I don't even know whether to record. And ignore the end of track 2. If you like I will record tomorrow. The ending pinch harmonics sound rubbish and isn't like I play it.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 13 2009, 11:36 PM

ahh, could you resave it in gp4 format?...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 12:07 AM

Here it is in gp4 format

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 12:32 AM

Would love to hear that played



Nice, thanks. I really like #2

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 12:58 AM

Here is the rhythm

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 01:07 AM

Nice, I really like the second and 3rd parts with the stops

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 01:09 AM

I will try and get some other ideas up sometime in the week. I will try and record the lead over the rhythm tomorrow also.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 01:12 AM

You used the 130 track, right?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 01:13 AM

Yeah and it could have done with being a little faster that riff I guess. I will try and play it better also because my playing is very messy

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 08:42 AM

Well, the first part could be quite nice, too - after cleaning its playing, I can hear a nice potential


Tabs for my riff#2:

Dmin Amin E Amin

Guitar 1:

E---|--------1--------|--------0--------|--------0--------|--------0--------|--
B---|-----------3-----|-----------1-----|-----------0-----|-----------1-----|--
G---|-----2--------2--|-----2--------2--|-----1--------1--|-----2--------2--|--
D---|--0--------------|--2--------------|--2--------------|--2--------------|--
A---|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|--
E---|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|--


Guitar 2:
All notes are palm muted

E---|--------------------------|--------------------------|-------------
B---|--------------------------|--------------------------|-------------
G---|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|--------------------------|--9--9--9----
D---|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|--9--9--9----
A---|--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|--7--7--7----
E---|--------------------------|--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--|-------------
                                                                        

                                                                        
E------------------|--------------------------|-------------------------
B------------------|--------------------------|-------------------------
G---9--9--9--9--9--|--------------------------|-------------------------
D---9--9--9--9--9--|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|-------------------------
A---7--7--7--7--7--|--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--7--|-------------------------
E------------------|--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--5--|-------------------------

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 01:49 PM

I prefer the first riff in mine to the others but I guess that's how music is. I will listen to your riffs tonight utak3r when I'm home from work

And where is everybody else?

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 02:27 PM

Hey, we have some time yet


I was listening to your take again - and I have some idea of changing a bit this first part, I like its general sound... well, I can see we'll have quite a bunch of riffs to choose from and to compose a song.


I have one question.... are we gonna record some vocals? I'm asking 'cause the melody and structure would be different on a vocal song and on an instrumental...

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 02:38 PM

I will record some vocals when the song is finished. I think we should do a vocal song.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 04:00 PM

Well in order to do vocals we will need someone to volunteer to do the singing, and since we do have OC’s service, then I say yeah to vocals. I can do back up if needed.

I do have to ask that we do not do wicked, death type lyrics. Lets keep it PG13. I also do not really care for screaming. I am old school I guess

I did 3 takes last night that I did not have time to post. I will try to get them up when I get home tonight.



I will PM the others. if they are still quiet by Friday. If you are a member that has less confidence in writing we will fix it so you can play from the tabs we post. My goal is to have all six playing or singing somewhere in the song.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 04:01 PM

I vote for the same rules

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 04:04 PM

I don't do death metal screaming lol so I'm glad you say that. I prefer singing where you can make out what is being sang So yeah as long as everybody agrees I think it should be rock style vocals or hard rock at the heaviest.

Plus screaming damages your throat.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 04:05 PM

hey I know of many metal vocals which ain't screams nor growls

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 04:06 PM

I can do Judas Priest style

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 04:10 PM

Thank guys for you deep involvement in this. I can't wait to hear what the others come up with. I know from experience that crazyfret can write some good stuff.

We will have so many ideas, skennington may have to let us do more than one song

Thanks again

yeppers

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 04:13 PM

Hopefully the other 3 get involved as it's better if it's a bigger group effort. More satisfying when it all comes together. I think we need to aim to get a basic structure to the song by 2 weeks in and then we can practice it for the 3rd week and record and mix in the 3rd and 4th week. I will try and put some lyrics together when we have a complete song along with the help of everybody else and if I record the vocals and then we can get somebody to record backing maybe.

Also leedbreak do you think I should scrap that first riff idea of mine or try to expand on it and improve?

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 04:20 PM

why not to improve it AND to think about next one?... if we'll use one of them you get the other for your next project

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 04:22 PM

That's what I was thinking lol. I might use it for my real band if it isn't wanted in this lol.

I'm going to listen to your ideas tonight also and see if I can get any ideas in a similar style.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 04:23 PM

I would not scap anythinbg yet. But till the first 7 days are up then do as you feel you need to.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 14 2009, 04:24 PM

Alright. I will keep at it and see what happens. Please PM the other 3 guys as it'd be nice to see what they think of the riffs so far

Posted by: utak3r Jan 14 2009, 04:26 PM

those of mine are much shorter, 4-bars ones, plus they're made as a classic rythm section

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 14 2009, 04:34 PM

4 bars is exactly what we need to see ideas. The ones I have to post at home are about the same size.



I will wait a day or two more to PM them as we are all busy and aware of the deadline. I have talked to crazyfret and he is keeping tabs on us and will post soon.

Posted by: Paiva Jan 14 2009, 05:18 PM

I liked all of your riffs. I liked utak3r's riff 2 because that is the style of music that I usually play I will do something on that style too if you don't mind because I'm really not used to do hard rock rhythms and stuff

Posted by: Paiva Jan 14 2009, 09:59 PM

Heyo there it is my take sry if it isn't good or in time I have been so tired sry... And I changed my mind and did a little more rockish track...
 110_bpm_track.mp3 ( 257.96K ) : 251



sry for the double post

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 15 2009, 04:38 AM

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Really. that is not too bad, I like the idea of a progression like this with maybe a crunchier or cleaner guitar doubling it.


As stated before we will need you to record it (preferably) over the drums I posted or at least post just the drums you used. The reason for this is mixing can be near impossible if a software/computer renders at a slightly different tempo. The person doing the mixing will need to change the level of your play and the drums, this can not be done if uploaded as a single track. We must have the guitar played over the backing but uploaded without it. (drums mutted in the mix before rendering) But none the less, you are very creative in your playing judging by your song. You are on the right track and in the right place to do it.

It also helps to post at least the root note of each chord or position so others can play around with it, without learning it by ear. this Sounds Like it is rending faster than played, thats why chords and at least are needed to write songs fast.

Thanks. Great job

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 15 2009, 05:25 AM

This one I wrote the first night using the 110

 leedbreak01.mp3 ( 114.39K ) : 226


 leedbreak01.gp4 ( 1.33K ) : 140


This one came after I heard OC's riff at 130. A modification of the other one.

 leedbreak02.mp3 ( 133.17K ) : 182


 leedbreak02.gp4 ( 1.52K ) : 156


And the one last one again with the 130. Mine are a bite milder
This one might would sport a bass solo

 leedbreak03.mp3 ( 189.29K ) : 208


 leedbreak03.gp4 ( 2.14K ) : 155

Posted by: Jesse Jan 15 2009, 07:17 AM

that first one reminds me off of a Maiden song:D

Posted by: utak3r Jan 15 2009, 08:16 AM

The first two have a really catchy melody line, I can already hear its further parts
The third one - yeah, it begs for some cool bass line, playing its very own and noticable part.

And - yes, the first one reminds me of Maidens, too nice classic riff.


I can see we'll have a cool play when we grab all of the ideas

Posted by: Crazyfret Jan 15 2009, 09:38 AM

Hey guys

Really like the ideas you're all comming up with. Plenty of potential for a few tracks there.

Going to post some riffs I have tonight I've just been peoccupied with DIY on the house atm!

I could post them now just to gauge your reactions but unable to separate the drums out till later.

Here goes;

Posted by: utak3r Jan 15 2009, 11:39 AM

I like it, especially the riff_a thing

Posted by: Paiva Jan 15 2009, 05:05 PM

OK guys I have one more what I did today give my self a good old shot of Iron Maiden and Recorded this I didn't had the drums because I couldn't fit them



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Then I have the other one without the drums! And the chords are A5 C#5 B5 and Emin
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Posted by: utak3r Jan 15 2009, 08:39 PM

I'm not suprised you won't fit any drums, to be precise - it's really out of rythm, but I like the melody itself, we can think of regulating its rythm

OK, my third rythm, this time @130bpm

Posted by: Paiva Jan 15 2009, 08:41 PM

Ahah Sorry about that I will try to do the rhythm with the metronom!

Posted by: utak3r Jan 15 2009, 08:42 PM

Just play with one of the drumstrack - it will be easier than with a metronom....

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 15 2009, 09:13 PM

EDITED >>

This post explains why... Played over the drums I posted is almost a must have thing. With this many already doing it. It so easy to get a groove on a solid beat. As a guitar player you need to be able to play with anything that is time, even a harley.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=23354&view=findpost&p=319895





I like it, great tone





Well I knew we could count on you for some nice stuff. i liked (riff a) the best as well.

Everyone takes are coming together nicely.

It is going to be hard to decide that’s for sure.

Plenty of time for others who have not posted to do so.


I suggest the ones that have uploaded to stop. Then, begin thinking of the ones you like and how they might be put together. I have been playing around with a mix a little prematurely, and its working pretty good. I have used 4 takes from 3 so far in this mix. They go together really well.

I won’t post them till the deadline has expired. If you have mixing capabilities and want to do the same, feel free. This could help in the final decisions.

Again, great job thus far.

I want every one to have a part.. If we end up not using your takes or you did not upload any you are still in. I will hand out pieces of the song for you to play over if you have trouble coming up with something that works, OC or I will post some tabs for you to play. We all came in to this project to learn and that's what we are going to do.

3 Days left then creativity meets structure.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 16 2009, 05:16 PM

Tell you what I would love to have.

That is OC and ut play an e chord and hold it for 3 whole bars. and then upload it. just the chord, no drums. Use the same tone you used in your distorted takes.

I may be able to use them to put some section together.


Crazyfret, I need at least your (riff a) without backing, But preferable all 3. You can also play the last chord and the first chord in this take (riff a) and hold them for 3 whole bars. no drums.

Any new stuff might should be at the 130 since most takes are and we will likely be using that speed. Ironically, some of the 120 ut posted is working out ok.

I am not putting the song together just experimenting with a way to do so,

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 16 2009, 07:32 PM

I will upload 3 bars of an E chord later E Major?

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 17 2009, 01:10 AM

Which ever e you used in your recording

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 17 2009, 01:37 AM

There aren't many E chords in my recording to be honest. My song was mainly in D Harmonic Minor. With a B as an out note in there from time to time when the E5 is played.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 17 2009, 03:44 AM

Well duh. I ask for tabs then not even refer to them

I was looking to put a long chord at the end of this to make a change to picking. No big deal I just had time to spare today so I was just piddling.


 hold_chord.mp3 ( 30.1K ) : 202

Posted by: skennington Jan 17 2009, 06:51 AM

Hope you don't mind guys but I had a short play around with Jason's drums @ 90bpm....

Posted by: utak3r Jan 17 2009, 05:12 PM

Here it is The E5.



Nice idea for some ballad

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 17 2009, 05:15 PM

I really have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing. Can somebody in simple terms describe what they want me to do. I have my guitar and can do things now but I'm just wasting the time.

Posted by: Jesse Jan 17 2009, 06:52 PM

Mine are coming ,im just recording alot, so you can see what you all like. Heres the first, its just C-D-F and then F /Bb/F/Bb

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 17 2009, 07:04 PM

I like the rhythm. Nice work

Posted by: utak3r Jan 17 2009, 07:10 PM

Nice rythm

Posted by: Jesse Jan 17 2009, 07:13 PM

2#

It's

C powerchord, with the Root C going to B and back and then E5.

Then it goes G to F# and back fast, the same then but a whole step higher, back again to the G to F# and E5 At last.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 17 2009, 07:21 PM

I like its first part

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 17 2009, 10:50 PM

Sweet, great tone and take. Can i steal it.



Yep thats what I needed




Play http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=23354&view=findpost&p=321315 but on one of the stops hold the last chord for a long time like UT did so I can blend it into my pretend mix.

Other than that, your job is to start to decide where to go next with these. Pick one, two or 3 or whatever. Come Monday we will need our new direction.

Everyone be getting prepared to post your opinions on what has been posted, what you like and some ideas on how to proceed. I will ask you all to make a post about this.




Nice take, Is it just me or is there like tons of noise on take 2

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 20 2009, 02:01 AM

Well, Our first seven days are over and I must say the participation from you guys was awesome. We had over 90 post in seven days.

I want everyone to post the direction they think we should go next.
Of the post, I like OC the best since it has so many parts to work with already. It could be made into a whole song. He has stated a key, tempo and tabs.
Next I like Crazyfrets for tone and a great feel for playing something over.

Next I like UT picking part.

The rest are pretty good but we have to start somewhere.

The file below is just UT's picking as an intro to OC's Whole riffing thing next.
I almost feel we may need to see if OC can compose the entire base song using his riff ideas and have him leave sections with just a very basic rhythm and/or drum and/or bass line for us to write over.

Now, I want to hear each members ideas and thoughts, thanks

 1_19_09.mp3 ( 614.19K ) : 186


All the above is just my suggestions, I look so forward to yours.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 20 2009, 08:38 AM

Ha.
I'd remodel my picking to fit this riff better. Then we should build some longer parts based on those riffs. At the first glance sounds like a good idea.

I'll think of something when I get home

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 20 2009, 10:39 AM

Hey. Leedbreak had a word with me about putting song together and i am happy to do that based on my riffs and try and incorporate some of your riffs. So please tab them out and i will try and find a place in song for them that fits even if it means changing key of riff. However i wont record your riff i will just put bass there and you can record it for song. I will post tab if its been key changed.

Please post a tab by tomoz night if you havent already or i will tab the riff myself if i can but please make it easier for me. I will post an update on wednesday and i will leave a spot for everybody to get involved.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 20 2009, 11:07 AM

OK, I'll review your tabs and maybe I'll modify my own ones for better fit

Posted by: utak3r Jan 20 2009, 04:48 PM

hmmm... OC, I'm working with the first riff of yours - it has one problem causing incompatibility with any more complicated drum grooves - it's of 5 bars long, instead of 4.... it just takes a whole rythm scraped. I can see the last 5th bar is unneccesary, taking it away doesn't change the melody - fortunately

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM

That's my favourite bar of the piece It'll work but you don't have to worry about that. I'm putting the whole song together ok. Bass and Guitars but I'm leaving parts with just bass for other to record their riffs over AND also there will be solo opportunities. So EVERYBODY will get a solo, MOST will have at least 1 riff included that they need to record and I will do the other bits. Also we'll need somebody to do lyrics and sing. I can do the vocals but if others want to then that is fine by me

Don't worry you'll all be involved but I'm sorting out the overall structure of the song I hope you understand

Posted by: utak3r Jan 20 2009, 05:54 PM

OK, here go tabs for my 3 riffs

Posted by: Paiva Jan 20 2009, 06:07 PM

Hey Guys I like it a lot utak3r can you tell me the key of the first part? The Clean one I was thinking just a quick solo or just some harmonics or Harmonics to finish the song with the clean part again and maybe just maybe we can pull an Opeth kind of trick and do a small acoustic interlude just ideas tho

Posted by: utak3r Jan 20 2009, 06:30 PM

yeah, I love clean beginnings and putting it into the middle again - you can check my newest song which I'm working on now:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23532

ah, the chord progression in this clean part is just: Dmin Amin E Amin

Posted by: Paiva Jan 20 2009, 07:09 PM

I was thinking like this for an ending (maybe it should be clean harmonics!)


 Ending.wav ( 3.05MB ) : 181


ok did them clean

hmm maybe this won't be used but well I tried

Sry to have to upload in WAV MP3 encoder is acting stupid!

 Ending_Clean.wav ( 2.78MB ) : 146

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 21 2009, 12:53 AM

Looks like things are going well. If OC can get most of the songs structure down at 130, I will add any drums that he may have trouble with. OC, do you think you can get this done by the weekend? I would think that is plenty fast.
I can't wait to hear your bass playing.

Thanks all.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 21 2009, 02:38 AM

Yeah I can get it done by weekend. I have 4 collabs to record tomorrow then I'm free of them

I will get it together for weekend and you should be able to wait for bass playing lol. It isn't that spectacular.

Just better than my guitar skills

I will get it posted by Sunday at the latest. I hope to get it done sooner. I only have 4 collabs, 2 songs to record, wiki to update, MTP to do and my birthday on Saturday Walk in the park I will get it done though

Regards,
Paul

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 21 2009, 04:08 AM

Thanks for your efforts, I think you need a secretary.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 21 2009, 06:28 AM

Ok, going to spice things up a bit. I figured we would do a mini collab as well as our song. Just solo in Em - Em Pent and it will sound great. Give us something to do when we don't have parts due or after they are done. Why not right? If we run out of time we can work it out after in the uploads forum.

Backing track > I decide that backing sucks, stay tuned. One would have to change keys twice to make it sound good and it was too fast.



Also, OC I took you entire file and created a drum track. You could loop the entire drum track a couple times and just make every thing else fix. These are just wav files I loop and cut not to bad if I take the time to cut and paste correctly. If you can use it I can edit it if needed. Might not be what you had in mind but I was killing time.


 Leed_drums_and_guitar.mp3 ( 348.06K ) : 205


 Leed_drums_alone.mp3 ( 376.84K ) : 186

Posted by: Paiva Jan 21 2009, 05:29 PM

Hey man nice idea I will do something for the mini collab but that is not really my style but I will try to come up with something

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 22 2009, 06:27 AM

Maybe a little better Backing track for a collab little simpler to write to. Still Em
Em / G / Am / C
Em / G / Am / B / C
Em / G / Am / C
Em / G / Am / B / C
Em / G / Am / B / C


 mini_collab2nd_track.mp3 ( 480.92K ) : 213

Posted by: utak3r Jan 25 2009, 09:02 PM

So... how's it going, OC?

leedbreak, this second back is nice, I'm working on my take

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 25 2009, 10:14 PM

It's going alright mate. It's going slowly and wont be done for today. Exactly how much time have we got to finish this track. I'm just about to start adding some of your riffs to the track. Here the the guitar pro file currently of the song. Please ignore track 2 as it's some stupid lead ideas of mine. The first solo will be over riff from bar 36. After that solo one of somebody elses riffs will be there. Sorry it's taking so long. It isn't easy to get a complete song together that'll be good

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 26 2009, 12:16 AM

Well, since this is really going into our 3rd week I would say we are on track.
This file you have here to me is perfect and almost to where we could loop it once. And then start writing over it. At the very least, we should have a great instrumental. I see nothing wrong with that. So I say great job OC. If you can pull this off over the few days, it should be great timing. If there is bass for us to write to we can make new riffs that fit the bass. Again we were looking for directing and we choose one. That one was you. We have to adapt to the directionn Keep your job with the full song backbone simple enough to get it done.

I have never been able to get GP5 to exporting a wav file and mix right. But I have always used the midi as a file I can jam with. I am going to go do it with this file now.

But the coolest thing to happen yet is to know how great our bass player is. Can't wait to hear you play this. Depending how bad you want your guitar parts in you could just post the whole song (arrangement) with your drums and real bass and tell us to finish it while you watch, Cause your work is complete. Thanks for your efforts

Posted by: utak3r Jan 26 2009, 12:29 AM

I know very well, I'm working on my own song, so.... I know how it eats time...
It's just we have to have enough time to rerecord our riffs over a completed arrangement
Keep up good job!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 26 2009, 03:02 AM

Thanks guys. I have had several problems recently. Sonar gave up on me, bass sounds on toneport are rubbish so i really need to mic up amp and time has been bad. I hope to get tab finished tomorrow of song and then i can record bass and get that nailed. Will update tomoz.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 27 2009, 05:30 AM

Spent some time tonight over the mini and here is my take. Few more nights cleaning this one up, I may have to do a video


 leedbreak_mini_collab.mp3 ( 460.92K ) : 161

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 27 2009, 04:09 PM

If I upload the final tab tonight can you do the backing to fit with the tab at 130bpm so go with the bass a bit more and then I will record bass and if everybody wants to choose riffs and parts to solo in then that would be great for me as this is taking me so much time I doubt I will find time to record guitar. I wanted the song to be good so I've put quite a bit of time into thinking it through

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 27 2009, 04:26 PM

You mean write drums to fit the tabs? sure I can do that.


Everone please check in the next couple of days so you can start recording.

I will PM all who do not check in.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 27 2009, 10:00 PM

So I'm waiting for some riffs to record

Posted by: Paiva Jan 28 2009, 05:11 PM

Hey guys I have been writing stuff for the mini collab but I broke a string (high E) yesterday and I haven't got any left so I will have to buy some when I have time.

Other than that I want your opinions if I should try to do a simple melodie for the Clean part that utak3r did

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 28 2009, 05:15 PM

I need to get the tab up. I just haven't had the time. I should be free tonight to finish it but it'd take another week probably to be happy with it as I'm a perfectionist but I can rush through the rest of the song and just do whatever.

A month to write and record a song isn't enough in my opinion but I'm doing my best. In my band it takes us about 3 months to write, practice and record a song.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 28 2009, 10:45 PM

I believe the only thing we have done wrong is,,, forget this was a beginner project. Do the best you can and get it up even if you have to shorten it up a bit or simplify it some. We just need backings for the rest to play over to get a song done in time. We might should have done a cover but none the less we can make us a song. If admin says our time is up we will finish the song in uploads. I feel that would only be fair for us and the next crew. So I say do you best as we all will and rock on. I still think this tune can still be pretty good, and I am going with that.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 28 2009, 10:48 PM

And never say anything else!
Sure it will rock!

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 29 2009, 03:18 AM

I would wait to get OC's backing first and then see what is needed.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 29 2009, 08:19 AM

Exactly so. We'll have to see a total image of a song, then we can think of any beauties.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 29 2009, 07:58 PM

Its done. I will upload when home from practice. Then if leed can make drums and we can designate parts and get this done.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 30 2009, 12:48 AM

Alright. Here is the complete tab. We can choose riffs, solo places etc. There should be enough places but we just need to maybe lengthen some riffs that will be used for solos after deciding. So now a discussion is needed and we can then let leedbreak do drums and we can get this recorded. Sorry I didn't include any of your sections but we will use them in future as I hope this VB can carry on so we will let somebody elses riffs be next choice. This took me a hell of a long time to prepare. I hope you like. It's the full song tab so now we can record it proper.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 30 2009, 11:48 AM

Somebody must have some comments?

Posted by: utak3r Jan 30 2009, 01:46 PM

Yeah, although I have to play it for myself, listening to it through GP is kinda funny, you know....

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 30 2009, 01:48 PM

We all need to decide when the drum track is done who will record which parts. Obviously the song will be recorded properly not just in guitar pro format

Posted by: utak3r Jan 30 2009, 01:50 PM

Yeah, and prior to this moment of decisions I have to try those riffs and see which ones I actually can play

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 30 2009, 01:52 PM

They shouldn't be too tricky I did it for a beginner thing as I am a beginner lol. But the riffs range from very very easy to beginner/intermediate level with a few of the ideas.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 30 2009, 01:53 PM

Anyway, I have to play this, to hear those ideas actually

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 30 2009, 06:15 PM

Sorry guys, I was not able to get on in the last 24 hours. I love the tab, very cool. I will try to finish a drum track early this weekend. Even if we run out of time and have to finish in uploads this could be very much worth our time from this point. Great job everyone, we shall rock.

I will be in touch.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 31 2009, 04:54 AM

Well, here it is and we've got 7 days to pick what part we want and learn it . For me, this will be hard since there is quite a few cool areas to choose from. I sent everyone a PM link to here so we all know it is time to play some guitar. If what you play varies a tad that's ok. as long as it sounds similar and fits in the drums and feel.

We just need to not vary a lot in our tone and catch that early. To me OC's tone was a bit too much in your face while crazys was a tad too soft. IMHO

If you want to play some of the rhythm in areas that are just screaming SOLO, be nice to get them up fast.

I still have to use midi from the tabs since I can never get the wav file to save right. Anyway it is close enough to tell how cool this will be to pull off. I will have a section picked by tomorrow night and recorded by Sunday night. Try to announce a section you would like to try this weekend so we can see whats left. OC, you did a great job breaking it into useable learnable sections.

Ah the virtual drummer. He can play anything a 1000 times and not a peep of fusing.

The count at :36-:38 will get deleted in the final mix to give a nice stop.

You all will love 1:45 - 1:54

 Drums_and_tabs.mp3 ( 1.26MB ) : 159


 Drums_and_bass.mp3 ( 1.26MB ) : 185


 Drums_no__tabs.mp3 ( 1.26MB ) : 188


I am sure I can cut and loop a few areas with out any harm when doing the final mix to make it a tad longer. If any one wants any of the drums changeI will do may best.


Attn; OC

After playing over the track some tonight I thought I would get your input on doing it at 110? still pretty advanced at 110. Just a thought at 12:15 AM

 Drums_and_tabs_at110.mp3 ( 1.49MB ) : 147

Posted by: skennington Jan 31 2009, 05:05 AM

Guys,

Just so you know, I think you all are doing an awesome job here and I won't be opening a new sign-up thread until the 10th of February. We would like to have something completed in or around a month or so but the time is a bit flexible..

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 31 2009, 05:08 AM

Thank you sir. Was hoping you say that. We stumbled some getting a bit too creative maybe, but we will get there.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 31 2009, 10:03 AM

That is great to hear about the extension. We can do it well now and not rush.

Leed, i am off to the boro football match which is about 200 miles from my house so wont be back till late and i will listen to drums then. I think 110 will sound too slow to me but i am not sure. How about a 120 bpm compromise?

Also i agree with my tone on earlier recording. It was too distorted and over the top. Lets go for a dark and mildly distorted sound. And if you can on any rhythm parts you do record it twice and pan one slightly left and one slightly right. Lets do a good job on this and i will record bass. I just cant seem to get a good sound and dont have bass amp. But will do my best. Its hard to get it sounding twangy no toneport.

What do the others think to the song? I really like it and think it will show our abilities as beginners.

Posted by: Crazyfret Jan 31 2009, 01:02 PM

Great work guys. Sorry for being out of the loop on this but I have been looking at places to add my contribution.

I've been toying with putting a harmonizing guitar part to the intro gonna upload it later.

Posted by: utak3r Jan 31 2009, 01:32 PM

Leed, post this midi file, I'd like to render it in somewhat better tone both drums and the bass.

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 31 2009, 02:24 PM

Just the tab was in midi, a GP export. The drums are waves I mix in with the midi.


here is the GP midi export

 riff4.mid ( 17K ) : 135



If someone can do a wav export from the GP using GP rse sound. and then mix it with the drums would be cool. Thats what I can't pull off. The wav I get from GP will not play in my older mixing software

It is morning here so I have a couple chores to do but we could meet in chat at 20 past the hour


THis is a test edit to see what the edit time below reads. I think it is slow by about 1/2 hour I did it at 8:03 and it says I did it at 7:35

Posted by: leedbreak Jan 31 2009, 05:09 PM

O am doing bars 9-19 right now and will be practicing them till they are ready. We will just stay at 130.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 1 2009, 12:22 PM

Hey all. I am in today if anyone wants a chat later. I like that idea of harmonisation crazy. Could work really well.

What are other people doing in the song. Where are paiva and jesse? Have you guys lost interest. We havent heard from you both in ages.

Posted by: Paiva Feb 1 2009, 11:44 PM

Hey OC sorry for that I don't know witch part to choose from the song lol any recomendations?

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 2 2009, 03:40 AM

I say pick a section, like I did. Claim that part so others know not to pick it and.....

either learn the tab

or make up something to go with it using the notes from the tab

or make up something to replace the tab, using the notes from the tab

This is not an easy challenge. But a serious opportunity to learn what being in a band really means. If you can't play what is being played you have to make it sound better. However, if yours is cool then the band must make it sound better.

This is not going to be easy as I am having trouble with the one I picked. I will play it slightly different than oc but I am not OC, I am in the same band as him.

With the tab in hand we are getting to where we are going. We have a tempo, key and notes to play in that key. Most of all you have the feel of each section. Play anything that you think keeps the feel and key.


Ok, now what?

That being said I do plan and getting the part I clamed up in the next couple of days. I am close. It is tricky, if it was too hard I would replace it since I picked this section. Then I will pick another,,, I will continue this for 14 days. This will be my only goal on guitar for these days. As I said I need it. I will be learning some rhythms here that I needed to know. I have not given the time to this area of play in some time and it shows.

But this is all a part of being an active GMC member. I will get most of what I need if I keep doing a lesson here and a collab here and now this VB song in my next lesson. It is the perfect environment to learn all we need to play guitar and be in a band.

So get busy fellers we got some playing to do in the next few days and even more learning to do, good luck!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 2 2009, 05:34 AM

I was leaving it for others to choose their parts first but I may just go ahead and choose soon. Of course you don't have to do exact as tab as it's about adding your own feel. If everybody in the band recorded this same tab for real then I guarentee you'd have a bunch of completely different takes.

I think this tab is going to end up as a good song that we can be proud of. Unfortunately I have sprained my hand by punching a wall lol So I can't record for a day maybe. But if nobody replies with a prefered part by tomorrow I will just take a section.

Posted by: Jesse Feb 2 2009, 09:16 AM

im here tho! ill just play my own part ofcourse:!

Posted by: utak3r Feb 2 2009, 12:50 PM

Well, I can pick my axe up tomorrow.... what a busy day....

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 2 2009, 02:31 PM

Look forward to everyones takes now that we have time

You could do the high guitar in 9-19 and be ready to mix with mine that I will post tonight, US time. Two different tones should be good here. We could have it done in 24 hours. And both be ready to pick a new section.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 2 2009, 03:02 PM

That sounds like a plan. We'll do that I might change what I played slightly as I'm positive some bits don't work.

Posted by: Jesse Feb 2 2009, 03:22 PM

Section 74 till end, rythm and solo!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 2 2009, 03:23 PM

Look forward to hearing it

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 3 2009, 06:17 AM

Here is take 1. It is 9-18 as I stop so you can add the fill in 19 and the bar drop in. I will endup playing over your take instead of you playing over mine.


 9_19gtr1.mp3 ( 173.17K ) : 262



 9_19gtr1nbt.mp3 ( 173.17K ) : 267

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 3 2009, 01:14 PM

I like the tone man. Much better than my tone for it. I have to say though obviously when we do final mix the drums need to be quieter and guiatar higher in mix.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 3 2009, 02:41 PM

I can't get it to sound good

Posted by: Paiva Feb 3 2009, 07:26 PM

I will try to do 29 to 39 Is that ok?

Posted by: utak3r Feb 3 2009, 07:45 PM

ok, I'm taking 49-57, and will see then, what next

Posted by: utak3r Feb 3 2009, 09:02 PM

OK, here go bars 49-58. I recorded two rythm guitars
Now I'm looking at the following section (58-61) so we could have this section completed.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 4 2009, 01:58 AM

I think it was pretty cool, really. The idea is top 40 in my book and the tones fit well. But maybe it is just a little young yet. Try to play the same part with out me and I will follow you and see what happens.


or you could just Play both parts as in your sample. I will look at other areas. As the leader, progrees is always key. Also as the leader, I can just write a solo and be happy.


up2 you Mate


Oh and I let the tab of just the bass and drums be my backing. Helps the drums make more since. I know the drums need some work as we go. I am no expert there either but I will say they are a tad hard to follow with out the bass a the time keeper too. I think the drums will work once all is recorded.




Cool




Double cool.





Yeah I missed that one.

IMO

If you need help be sure to try it with the "bass and drums" file I posted earlier. the bass is just a midi file but it is never out of time. To me it really helps with the feel and attack while playing. And since we post it with out the backing anyway.



Not bad. What about making gtr 2 less distortion so the notes stand out a bit more. Gtr2 Might sound good an octive higher

Posted by: utak3r Feb 4 2009, 02:07 AM

hm, that's some idea. Will try it tomorrow

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 4 2009, 02:30 AM

Bars picked and uder way

Bars to be picked

Bars Done

0-9 9-19 20-48 49-61 62-89

As post come up some other areas of the song are just repeats.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 4 2009, 02:34 AM

I'll take some of the bits that haven't been taken and try and get them to sound good. I can never seem to record anything that sounds good

Posted by: utak3r Feb 4 2009, 09:47 AM

And when I'm turning recording on, suddenly I can't play well
It has to be that someone record me without notifying me, hehe....

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 4 2009, 11:43 AM

I can maybe get a good sound if I mic my amp up. But certainly not from toneport. Others like Ivan can but I just can't seem to get it to sound good at all.

Posted by: Crazyfret Feb 4 2009, 12:04 PM

I'll take the bars 0-9 if thats ok

Posted by: Crazyfret Feb 4 2009, 11:36 PM

Here is that idea that I had for the harmonizing guitars to the intro.

I'm not sure if it gonna work now that the intro has been shortend having looked at the gp4 track.

Posted by: utak3r Feb 5 2009, 12:27 AM

Probably it's nice.... why probably? 'cause those guitars are way out of tune...
But I can see the idea and I like it

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 5 2009, 01:18 AM

Crazy I'm confused lol. The intro is the same length it has always been. Not shortened at all. I like your idea but it does sound slightly out of tune.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 5 2009, 01:45 AM

Yep. What presure that little red light can bring.
What I do many times is hit record with my backing looping. Then I just play till I like it and then cut out the best one and use it. Kinda a just reacord all the time so I can not feel the difference




I too hate my Pod. I have the same trouble but usually find the worst problem to be in the eq somewhere. Have you asked ivan for patches, or can you even do that with toneport?




Love the idea. Work on it a little more and I think it might just work

Posted by: utak3r Feb 5 2009, 01:57 AM

Yeah.... but I'm recording video from my DV camcorder... 10 minutes cost something like 1GB



Hm, and in contrary I love my one

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 5 2009, 04:48 AM

Well hate was a bit rough. But it has been a pain sometimes finding the perfect tone. I have many patches I like but not a single one I love. I may just need some hotter pick ups.

I am looking at 28-35 some. OC what would you like to try on 9-19 next?

Posted by: utak3r Feb 5 2009, 09:10 AM

Yeah, I got the best sounds with only bridge pickup turned on, with the neck one together it was too mild...
Now I have like 3 tones I really like, although I'm still fine-tuning them


btw.
those few bars I'm working on now are quite hard for me, but I keep practicing...

Posted by: Crazyfret Feb 5 2009, 09:59 AM

Yeah I agree about the tuning I think I need a restring soon had these on for a while.

It was a liitle hurried in recording but I'll get it sorted.



I must have got my wires crossed somewhere.

If that is the length of the intro then thats ok I'll sort the tuning prob out and re-record.

Posted by: Paiva Feb 5 2009, 08:25 PM

Hey guys I don't know if this is good enough I will do another one if needed.

Tell me about the tone and timing
 VB.mp3 ( 500.84K ) : 179

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 6 2009, 01:26 AM

Well join the club. I have been doing licks for too much of my time. This is helping us all. But you can change it some to help




COOL. This will fill in many areas.

Couple more folks post a couple more takes and I will make a song out of it. A we can all write a solos in the last few days.

Dead line is in about 9 days

Crazy!! I expect yours to be sweet, I am counting on ya.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 7 2009, 04:09 AM

Ok folks listen up .

I am starting to go into panic mode. I think the song is too hard/fast for a few of the members, including myself. It is not that we can't pull it off, just not fast enough. I can admit first hand to it being hard to learn. The takes posted are not mixing well, they are some hard riffs to keep in time.
So,,,
As crazy as it sounds, I am thinking about staring over. Yikes, yes but wait..
I will just write a easy power chord song with enough spots for every one to play, some really easy stuff. Each person gets a section that will include them playing two parts. I will post tabs and drums to play with.

Yep starting over. But a song so easy that it will work in time. As the first leader, I now know how it needs to be done. For the BVB level. And this is how. You get a very VERY basic song down fast and then spend the rest of the time adding to it.
OC's work was amazing stuff and I love it. But it maybe Intermediate to advanced.
We are the test subjects of the beginner VB, so we get a few learning phases I am afraid.

I need you guys input fast. So I can have time to get it done. If we do this, I will post it all by sunday night.

Do we stay or do we start over?????

Posted by: Paiva Feb 7 2009, 03:04 PM

I don't know man I think we could do the 1st one with a little bit of effort we have already worked hard on the other one and we should be proud of ourselves and I think we should continue but I don't know but it's too hard I had some problems with my part but I don't know... start doing know some simple powerchord stuff doesn't seem right to me but I will do it if the others agree

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 7 2009, 03:14 PM

I will play whatever. I'm not too fussed as my actual band is starting to play that guitar pro tab live now It's a cool song I think

So I don't really care. Just tell me what I'm playing or where I'm playing in a song and I will play some stuff

Posted by: utak3r Feb 7 2009, 03:38 PM

The same feelings here...
I can't play it properly and keeping it in beat.
Remeber we're beginners. You OC are NOT, even though you're calling yourself like that

The song doesn't need to be so complicated - and the structure of this one is really complicated and the riffs are too fast for us.
You can make a song from just 2-4 riffs, you can take for example this my one (it's not yet finished, but it works already) and it's really easy and suitable for beginners
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=23532



For me - go for it. Adding some small things to an easy song is much easier for me.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 8 2009, 03:02 AM

Well, the last three post I just read are great, you guys all have a heart for this.

I will post 4-5 riff sections shortly tonight. I did 3 last night and would like to add another or so. They are very plan and simple.

We can decide then if they are not what we want to do.

As far as beginners, I am not one but some of my rhythm playing is still pretty low. The curent song proved I got to work on that more.

OC, I would love to hear your band play this song or any. I am sure yall do rock the stew out of this. It a great composition. If you can play the bass like in this tab file, man you rock.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 8 2009, 03:30 AM

I can play the bass as it is in the tab. We will be recording it soon with lyrics i think in 2 slightly different version. I will post when we get it done. As for riffs you will post i will see what i can come up with.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 8 2009, 05:24 AM

Ok, these are all 100bpm. Pretty easy stuff. Pick one, first come first serve. Also, be sure to hold the last note and/or chords for a good bit like in the tabs.

If you pick the first one you can do the picking in muted distortion or cleaner, up to you. But make sure you like it.


MP3 are of midi and drums just so you can hear it.
Just see what you think. and let me know
the 4th one is from a SI thing I did when I first joined GMC.

Drums for all, please use this to get the timing right.


 drums100.mp3 ( 583.17K ) : 154


 1.mp3 ( 226.84K ) : 146

 part_1.gp4 ( 1.68K ) : 93

 2.mp3 ( 226.84K ) : 159

 part_2.gp4 ( 2.83K ) : 91

 3.mp3 ( 170.51K ) : 207

 part_3.gp4 ( 1.4K ) : 94

 4.mp3 ( 376.84K ) : 148

 part_4.gp4 ( 2.19K ) : 105

 bridge1.mp3 ( 114.39K ) : 143

 bridge1.gp4 ( 1.13K ) : 101

 bridge2.mp3 ( 151.94K ) : 149

 bridge2.gp4 ( 1.6K ) : 96


Looking for your comments.

If we go this route I need takes up ASAP, I mean ASAP. If you get your take up fast do another that way I have more to work with and incase all 6 don't post one. I will use my plaing to connect if needed and I plan to do some keyboard work too.

Thanks

Posted by: Paiva Feb 8 2009, 05:43 PM

Cool now we have too choose a part to play?

EDIT: If it is I choose part 1 lol

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 9 2009, 02:49 AM

Ok you get 1.
Ok who is next

Posted by: utak3r Feb 9 2009, 09:36 AM

I'll be there tomorrow... sorry, can't get it sooner.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 9 2009, 11:48 AM

I can't hear it here at work but I can probably record something and put it up here tonight if it isn't beyond my capability. Sorry I haven't been on as I have been so busy with things.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 10 2009, 01:53 AM

Sounds great.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 12 2009, 03:51 AM

Well guys, how's it going?

I know this VB venture has not been as productive as we would all have liked.

Knowing this might have just made us want to give up. I know changing up in the end may have been a mistake, maybe not. But I was afraid we had no choice with the troubles I had witnessed.


That being said, I would really like to get a little more done if we can.

If every one (all 7) would do a single take just similar to the tabs I posted above, I think I could at least give us something to show. If not, I am going to have to make a very unique song out of whats already been posted.

We do want it to end on a happy note.


If you want to try, please post what you are doing so we wont get 7 of the same one or two. We still only have till Sunday.

Thanks

Posted by: Crazyfret Feb 12 2009, 10:03 AM

Hiya Leedbreak

I'll take part 4 if thats ok

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 12 2009, 11:31 AM

Sorry I have been so busy recently and miserable which doesn't help. I will get something up for this tonight after band practice. Sorry for the delay.

Posted by: Paiva Feb 12 2009, 05:24 PM

Here is part1

Sorry for the delay
 part1.mp3 ( 480.86K ) : 210

Posted by: utak3r Feb 12 2009, 10:23 PM

Here goes the riff no.3
go guys, go!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 13 2009, 12:46 AM

I'm still getting bloody delayed. I will upload before Sunday for sure something. Anything lol. Sorry I have been really low on time I'm an idiot.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 13 2009, 02:01 AM

Great take wait till you hear it with keyboard and a couple screaming bends.




That is a nice take, thanks, Love that tone.

Everyone can feel free to do an extra one. Since they are so easy. Duplicates will be layered to add more to different area of the song.





Well sir,

For starters, you are very far from an idiot. I would really appreciate you not saying that again.

Secondly, busy is most everyone's deal, we really do understand.

Posted by: utak3r Feb 13 2009, 12:22 PM

I'll take something yet



very true...

Posted by: Paiva Feb 13 2009, 09:19 PM

Man I can do some stuff with that take if you want like some harmonics do you want it?

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 13 2009, 10:11 PM

We need everything. So Sure. I need it by itself when done, ok?

Posted by: skennington Feb 22 2009, 05:19 PM

Are you close to putting anything together Jason?

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 23 2009, 03:00 AM

By next monday is the best I can say with a super busy week coming on.

I did get an intro done, kinda using Paiva's part 1 and some keys

 fiddle_diddle_Intro.mp3 ( 259.7K ) : 189

Posted by: skennington Feb 24 2009, 02:25 AM

Sounds nice Jason, looking forward to it.

Posted by: leedbreak Feb 27 2009, 08:26 PM

Ok folks, we have a song.


Pretty hard to match up the array of takes we had here and I am sure it could be mixed much better with some more time. I used 8 – 10 different takes and just fit them together any old way. But I would say that some areas sounded pretty good, while others are a bit rough. We have several key and tempo changes.

I think I got everyone in there, I hope so anyway. Trying to get them all in made it rougher. I used the mini collab backing several times. So if any members want to add another solo or two, I can fit it in.

I also did not do any new recording, even though that would have helped.

Dear BVB # 1,

I enjoyed this little venture, even though things got confusing at times. I learned a lot about ways to go about this so I will be better prepared next time. Please keep entering the VBs since just the learning and getting something new to play made it all worth it to me.

Thanks again to everyone,

Jason


 Beginner_VB_Orig_song.mp3 ( 1.83MB ) : 223

Posted by: skennington Mar 3 2009, 04:16 AM

Thank you Jason and all of you guys for the effort put forth here. The object is to have fun and produce something that you enjoyed doing, I hope that was achieved!

I want you all to continue being active over here. For those like me who are bedroom warriors, it's a great way to jam with other people.

To be honest, I think you took on a little more than you needed to just starting to work with one another. A cover probably would have made you feel a bit better with your final product, but it's all good.

I seriously hope you guys sign up for the next round!