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Posted by: antonskv Mar 30 2010, 08:38 AM

Hi Everybody,

I'm about to purchase a E-MU 1616M, and i wanted to ask if anybody here had any experience with the device.

And reg PCI version: http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=15189

There are PCIe x1 version: http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=19007

I would think that later be a better pick? Since i do have PCIe x1 port on my motherboard.

Also has any body had problems using it with any recording software? I use Ableton Live, so that's what interests me the most, but just case I'll ever want to switch, would be nice to know ahead of time if there are some limitations.

I'm upgrading Line6 UX1 to this interface, and have heard a lot of positive feedback about EMU 1616M and have high hopes for it.


Thanks guys

Posted by: Staffy Mar 30 2010, 09:10 AM

I had an 1212m before I bought my TC-Konnekt 48, and was very pleased with it, I believe its the same A/D-converters in 1616m, and they just knocks out everything in this price-range. I never had any issues with EMU products (I also use a 0202-card for my laptop) and I will highly recommend them to anyone looking for a great sounding card for the prize You pay. Actually, the next step forward would be to buy one that are about 10 times more expensive when it comes down to sound-quality and A/D-converting.

//Staffay

Posted by: antonskv Mar 30 2010, 11:29 AM

Oh thanks Staffay,

Makes me more confident in my choice. I'm just so tired of all the problems with USB and FireWire interfaces that i've had in the past.

For example first time i've tried to upgrade my UX1, guys in the store recommended PreSonus FireBox, which according to reviews should be an awesome interface.... But it was working terribly on my comp. I did all the updates, also i think there even was a FirmWare update to update software inside actual FireBox, i did everything humanly possible to make it work..... Result was less than thrilling. PreSonus support is terrible, to be honest, i didn't get any help from them.

But that does not mean its bad interface, actually something that was brought to my attention by one of my friends kinda made sense to me... I noticed that all the good reviews for it were written mostly by Mac users. Supposedly its GREAT unit for Mac users.

I returned the interface of course, and made up my mind about getting something that will bypass this whole problem.

I think EMU 1616M will definitely make me more than happy.

Thanks, i appreciate your input!

Posted by: MickeM Mar 30 2010, 12:04 PM

THe problem with Firewire is that you can never be certain that the firewire that's on once brand will be the same on another. Strangly.
I think Dell is well known for terrible Firewire inteface, made from parts that seldom interact with perpipherals.

Also it's becomin less and less included in a computer package that you buy, not even with Apple. Perhaps they want to leave it to the customer to make the desicion on what firewire card to get. I.e so they can't blame Dell or Packard or whatever brand for supplying bad hardware.

Posted by: tonymiro Mar 30 2010, 01:32 PM

There's a known issue with firewire and audio. Basically about the only recommended firewire chipset for either pc or mac is the Texas one. Apple used to use it but switched to a different one for the recent powermac.

Posted by: antonskv Mar 30 2010, 02:01 PM

Whew, more i hear, the more i'm convinced i wasn't crazy...... And that getting EMU 1616m is $500 well spent.

Btw i do have a DELL lol
Otherwise its a great machine, i've been really happy with it.


Thanks guys!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Mar 30 2010, 03:08 PM

I use 1212m and I can say with confidence that 1616m is a smart buyers decision. It has everything a person would want from a product, it's stable, and you really get what you payed for. Don't forget that the card is capable of running 16 I/O streams, so upgrade is quite possible, and it nears semi-pro studio usage with proper outboard gear. It pays out definitely.

Not sure about PCIe version, it should be better to take that one. I have PCI and works no problem however, but you may want to upgrade your PC motherboard in the future and keep the card, and if you have PCI it can prove problematic. Newer MoBo's will have less and less PCI slots available. PCIe has bigger bandwidth than PCI, and although I'm no expert, it would be safer for me to use it on the faster than slower slot, just a thing of common sense.

On the other side, check for the web if someone had any problems with PCIe drivers or something, and see if it works on your OS platform. It pays out to investigate these things.

Posted by: antonskv Mar 30 2010, 09:45 PM

Thanks for your input Ivan!

Yes, i have researched the compatibility. I run Windows XP, I'm one of those people who waits till new releases of the Windows are "relatively" stable before switching to them. And this Interface officially supports both Windows XP, and Windows Vista.

And yeah, I'll get the PCIe version of it, i mean it cant hurt to have the card running on a faster bus than the slower one. Though like you said I'm more than sure PCI version is just as good.

Ivan, what other hardware/software are you using along with your 1616M? If its not a secret...

Thanks!

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 2 2010, 11:16 PM

Not a secret mate

BTW I'm using 1212m, like I wrote in the post. It's a slightly lower model with 12 I/O, and without external module (although it is optional). There are 2 analog inputs on the card, and I use M-Audio DMP3 2-channel preamp as an outboard input dock, and that is it. I plan to get some A/D converter soon so I can expand channels from 2 to 10.

Posted by: antonskv Apr 10 2010, 12:54 PM

Heya Ivan!

Sheesh.... I got my EMU 1616m PCIe in the mail couple of days ago. Ran into a blue screen of death immediately.... GRRRRRR. Like i suspected it might've been conflict between EMU and some other hardware, or might've been some IRQ conflict problem or such....

STOP: 0x0000008E (0x00000005, 0xAFAE4077, 0xADFBE96C, 0x00000000)
*** ha20x2k.sys - Address AFAE4077 base at AFA6C000, DateStamp 49a22132
Beginning Dump of Physical Memory.....

WHOA - wonderful. I was about to slit my wrists..... (I've been having worst luck with interfaces) But i decided to make ultimate sacrifice - i reformatted my comp (C: drive anyway) and reinstalled my XP. I know i should get a separate comp for audio work, but i cant afford it. Though I keep mine pretty clean still, though some stuff i cant really get rid off... Its my main workstation

First thing i installed is EMU drivers and PatchMix DSP mixer. So far seems to work fine, i mean i still have to figure out how to work with such professional level interface/software etc... But if it will keep working like it does now - its gonna be a blast.

'Cause latency is like Non-Existent on this interface. I mean there is no such thing as 0-latency, but its so low that my ear does not hear the difference between EMU and my Fender FrontMan 212 amp.

I can only pray to God and hope EMU wont start bitching and moaning about something. I still have a lot of hardware uninstalled, and i'll install them 1 by 1, to see if any specific hardware is creating that conflict or whatever it was that cause Blue Screen of Death.

So far i need to learn the PatchMix and general setup/use of this interface, 'cause its like x 30 times harder than UX1, i mean this baby really has much more than couple of inputs/outputs. This thing is a monster In a good way of course. I don't know if i have a brain capacity to comprehend the knowledge from the docs, but i fear in the end I'll just end up hiring somebody for an hour to show me how to use it properly.

After my injury my head does not work as good as it used to, a lot of times info just does not sink in.... Imagine how music theory kicks my butt... But i ain't complaining, in my opinion i got pretty far for semi-invalid as far as guitar/music goes, and i feel I'll get even further as long as i keep trying.

I'll let you know how it goes, and if i'll be able to get out of it things that i want.

Thanks for sharing knowledge Ivan, you da man!

Sincerely,

Anton

Posted by: Staffy Apr 10 2010, 02:18 PM

+1 , The Texas one is the only one I got to function fail-proof.

//Staffay







Just a quick tip here Anton, make sure that the internal sound-card is turned off in bios (if existing such), also turn off shadowing in the bios. Network cards seems to interfere with audio-cards, especially wireless ones, so when I'm recording I kinda disable everything in the computer that hasn't anything to do with recording. An ultimate solution is to make a machine-profile for just recording - leaving all unnecessary extensions out.

//Staffay

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 10 2010, 02:37 PM

Absolutely - also some video cards, particularly the newer high spec 'gamer' type ones have a habit of getting in the way of audio work and bluetooth is a real pain IME.

If you have a lot of hardware on the pc watch the bootup sequence as video and a few others usually takes a lot of juice on power-up and can stop an audio card initialising properly.

If you can't run a pc dedicated to audio the next best thing is dual boot and set up a specific hardware profile for audio. I'd also go so far as to suggest that you consider killing all non-audio apps, particularly virus guards and the like and keep the pc away from the Internet.

Posted by: antonskv Apr 10 2010, 03:49 PM

Thanks Staffay,

Yeah, i think i did have internal sound off. I don't think my Bios has option for "shadowing". To be honest i think it was a clear case of bundled CRAPLOAD of software and hardware. 'Cause my comp has been stable since i got it, which is going on 3-years now. This is a first time i'm reinstalling OS on it.

And God knows i agree with you, i really need a separate machine for audio work. I need some extra $$ to build a PC for this purpose, so there would be nothing else at all except that interface installed and software required for work (effects, amp mods, whatever...).

I'll keep you guys updated on how this battle with my EMU going....

But you know, if i get it to work good, its an ultimate interface for PC users - IMHO. Quality is nothing short of Amazing, and whole USB/FireWire problem is taken totally out of the equation.

None of the 3 FireWire boxes i've tried worked worth a crap. I think its the DELL's (Or mobo-manufacturers, or my FireWire-card manufacturers) problem to be honest. If i had a Mac i'd get a MOTU or something, people say it an amazing interface if you're using a Mac.

Lets see how this works. I pray to God i have enough brains to operate it.

Thanks for your input guys!

p.s. Staffay, by "Texas Instruments" you mean the FireWire chip?

Posted by: Staffy Apr 10 2010, 04:38 PM

Yeah, I mean the Firewire chip. I'm currently running TC-Electronics Konnect 48 as well as Powercore via firewire on stationary computer with Windows XP. I also own a Presonus Studiolive that operates via Firewire, and never had any struggle with none of them. A "clean" system is a must when running audio, and I dont think You will have any issues in the future with this card, other that trying to understand the patch-mix, which is a piece of software that I don't think even the developer understands..... But once set properly, it works like a dream!!!

//Staffay

Posted by: antonskv Apr 10 2010, 06:43 PM

*Sighs*.... Yeah, i know.... I've been trying to make it work for hours and hours.... Thank God i don't have a gun, I'd shoot my brains out. Nothing i find online, forums, docs, examples, how-to's - nothing works. It just doesn't want to. Oh i didn't spend $500 to use 1616m as a door stopper.... I'm sure in next 2-3 months i can find some extra money to just pay somebody to remote into my box and set it up.

I bit much more than i can chew this time, unfortunately. Hey at least this shit works, no more blue screens, no more nothing... But now i got no sound at all, 'cause any sound card installed on same box breaks 1616m right on the spot.

Funny, how for example in the forum post, there is a step by step guide for setting it for Wave recording or how to set it up as main sound card for Windows (playback) and it just does nothing. I see replies "OMG thank you so much this fixed everything!" and here the most it can do is to sound off in my headphones from Mic input, though whole How-To was done step by step while checking and re-checking every step 3-5 times to make sure its done right.

I waited 17-months for this interface.... Would be such a damn shame to return it...... I'll shut my face now, before somebody tells me to go whine somewhere else.....

Posted by: Santiago Diaz Garces Apr 10 2010, 08:46 PM

I'm using M-audio Fasttrack and it's a really recommendable product. Maybe you should have it in mind

Posted by: Staffy Apr 11 2010, 07:00 AM

I used my 1212m in two computers and never had any issues setting it up - except for the routing in patch-mix. What I can recall, I did google for some ready-made templates that fitted my Cubase, and then it just worked. Later I was learning how the software worked and was able to do my own set-ups. I think this sounds really strange, maybe there is a cpmpatibility issue or something. Have You installed the drivers as well??

//Staffay

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 11 2010, 12:16 PM

Pretty certain that error report is saying that you have corrupt Windows Registry because of the 0x0000008e comment. The other possibility again from the 0x00000008e is a RAM isssue.

Oh and the ha20x2k.sys suggests that the cause is a Creative/EMU driver.


First thing to check here would be that your 161m has the most up to date drivers.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 11 2010, 01:56 PM

I also recommend clean reinstall, and making XP as your OS for music production. Now, I'm not sure if other systems are stable by now, probably yes, but still I wouldn't consider changing to W7 for now. Making dual boot seems like a good solution, and the PC will use only the recourse needed for that purpose.
If there is anything I can help with PatchMix, let me know, it may be a bit tricky at first, but it is awesome.

Posted by: antonskv Apr 12 2010, 02:43 AM

Hi Ivan, (And Staffay, and everybody else,)

I just realized i wasted almost entire setting up something that was already working.... Shesh....

Well problem was... I needed some kind of windows microphone which i didn't have 'cause of EMU. Reason for that is: E-MU doesn't want to work if there ANY kind of sound card installed along with it. So i even had to take my sound blaster card off my comp, leaving 1616 only sound device on the comp.

But since i don't have dedicated comp for audio, i still need a comp that i can use Skype on and maybe use for Video Recording too as i have done in the past with UX1. Naturally... I figured maybe i could use EMU with connected condenser mic i got for regular wave recording.

So i open up my web cam software, then selected "E-DSP Wave [CCC0]" only device that was there, then did following:

1. Made sure mic is connected
2. Made sure headphones and monitors are connected
3. Tapped the mic few times and heard the taps from headphones/monitors

Problem was i didn't see the any reaction in webcam software (There is a monitor line that responds usually when there is a signal from the mic). I spent about 20 hours trying to make that line respond.... Then just gave up. That was my last post.

Now about 1 hour ago....

My friend calls me through Skype. I talk to him for about 20 mins. Then when i hang up.... I realize... "What the hell?! How did i just speak to him if my mic is not working?!".

And so it is... Mic works great, just doesn't show responses in the Web Cam software.

I opened my video recording software along with my amp and pedals, strummed some chords.... And Voila! Played back and was happy to hear it recorded everything.

Well i have saved the Default setup with all the strips to a file to make sure i don't loose it while screwing around with PatchMix... But so far no problems are present.

I have freshly installed Windows XP with SP3. I don't intend to use Windows 7 until EMU has a stable version of Win7 drivers.

Thanks for offering to help with PatchMix Ivan, i'll write to you if i have any questions.


Thanks everybody for their input, it pleases me to see such strong community here.

Many thanks.

Posted by: OzRob Apr 12 2010, 02:51 AM

Tonymiro, there are some great tips there. Thank you. I'm upgrading soon to a real workhorse machine and your suggestion will help me set it up properly right from the start. Thanks again.



Ps. Is anyone running E-mu cards under Windows 7 64-bit? If so, any known hassles? Edit: I've been googling the topic and it does appear that only Vista 64 is supported and there are hassles under W7 64.

Posted by: antonskv Apr 12 2010, 07:36 AM

Since I've been researching this very subject a lot, i can recommend using OS that E-MU officially supports with stable drivers. (I say stable, cause EMU has drivers for Vista and Win7 (including 64-bit ones) in beta stages.) Yesterday, or actually today... I myself just got this device working under these conditions and I'm very happy with it.

Though I'm very new to this interface, and I've had my share of problems setting it up, final result is way BEYOND my expectations. Great sound quality and lack of noticeable latency is such a breath of fresh air after USB-bus interface. I feel after i master "PatchMix DSP" software this interface will become my favorite interface for many years to come. Sound quality and processing power of this interface is way beyond my expectations. I'm highly pleased with it. (No matter how small size i use for a buffer, it seems to keep it's sound quality without any cracking and buzzing which is what happens on USB interface I've had before).

As you can read for other posts, i implemented Tonymiro's advise and configured my workstation with EMU being single sound device installed. And this interface performs really good as regular sound card for day-to-day computer use. I listen to all movies with high quality sound through my Studio Monitors. And once i disabled on board sound and removed Sound Blaster PCI card, no problems have arisen anymore.

Most likely I've read many of same posts that you have about EMU problems. I've noticed a lot of them reported same driver crashes type of problems that I've had (read above about blue screen). I think that a lot of them face a problem that is not very well described in the official documentation (I say 'i think' cause i have not read whole doc yet, its quite large), simple fact that this interface does not perform well at all with any kind of other sound devices being installed in OS at the same time. A lot of small details might be overlooked in some of the posts - i mean not every single poster and responder is a professional hardware/software technician. So there are details posters in other forums might've overlooked, especially since i have not seen many answers about removing all other sound cards in posts outside of Staffay's and Tonymiro's advices (or maybe i have not searched thoroughly enough 'cause i've got my EMU working relatively fast for a interface of this complexity - 24 hours and it was all working). But i think I've seen some Win7 related posts about driver problems, not just XP/Vista ones, so i think you'll might end up having problems on Win7(64) as well.

I know that you probably want 64-bit OS running, since 64-bit OS supports much more RAM than a 32-bit one (which has a limit of 3.0 or 3.5 GB available for operation within the OS). This is something i have pondering myself, since i have more than 3GB to install, but i cant since when i have 4GB inside the box on 32-bit OS 'causes unpredictable problems during run time.

One of the questions i have asked myself in the past... "Do you want to purchase a interface which costs almost $500 to realize that your computer cannot function with it?" Its a very uncomfortable feeling... he he This is what stopped me from blowing almost $1000 on MOTU interface that everybody around here is boasting, since MOTU users here are Mac users 100%, i don't think i know a single one on PC. I went through few other interfaces which worked worse on my comp than UX1, though FireWire interfaces should theoretically work better than USB ones. For example PreSonus "FireBox" worked so bad on my comp that i returned it the next day, but reviews for this box were great.... My thoughts as of 'why'? All Mac users.

Though i don't think this will be the problem with this interface on Windows. I think you'll get a excellent deal on a best interface you can get for a PC, 'cause i don't think it gets any better than this one. (At least in this price range)

But for SEPARATE workstation:

But i think since you planning to build a separate workstation for audio work, you have nothing to loose by trying it on 64-bit system first. See when you get it, install fresh 64-bit OS and install EMU drivers before any other hardware, and get it functioning. Once it all functions - add each piece of hardware one by one, doing a restart and test of EMU in between: reason is that if any conflicts appear you'll see exactly which hardware makes the conflict. This is the way i found about my other sound card conflicting with EMU. (Also don't do 20-30 windows updates through 'windows update' program, 'cause if any of them conflict you'll have better chance of pinpointing it.)

I think you'll have better luck with XP or Vista, but separate workstation will let you experiment with each of OS:es. Give each 64-bit Windows a try and see which works good with EMU card.

Also Windows 7 Ultimate has this feature which allows Win7 to run in full XP mode which might be suitable for using EMU with its own stable XP drivers.


Does anything i said make any sense? Or have i've had so much caffeine and Red Bulls today that nothing i say makes any sense now? lol

If you decide to go through with it, please share the knowledge when you get something up and running! I'm one of the people who is very anxious to get some good info on my EMU 1616m performing on any 64-bit OS, but in particular on Windows 7 (64-bit).

If you'll need any help I'll do everything possible that i can to help you out, and I'm sure other helpful people here who have been helping me so far will lend their helping hand too.

Hope i made sense instead of babbling incoherently

Sincerely,

Anton


P.S. Maybe one of the teachers, like Ivan for example, will be kind enough to maybe do a course on PatchMix and how to use it in different situations. I know i would be extremely grateful. I'd even be willing to help with any means available to me. I know if in a year or so, when i master it myself, if such lessons wont be available yet (cause i know everybody are very busy), i will make my best effort to try to produce them myself.

And one more time thank you to every single person who has written their input into this topic.

Cheerios (are good for breakfast).




Yeah Tony thanks man, i got it figured out. It was a problem with conflicting WDM drivers of my Sound Blaster. Even after OS re-install, as soon as i installed Sound Blaster X-Fi WDM drivers through Windows Update, my PatchMix started throwing errors and having problems connecting to my EMU.

Removed it and installed EMU drivers again, still works good. (So far anyway...)

Thank you for your input!

Posted by: antonskv Apr 12 2010, 08:08 AM

Hi Santiago,

Yes i know this interface very well, since my friend uses it on his Mac laptop. There are few versions of it too i believe, but all M-AUDIO FastTrack interfaces are USB based.

The point of me choosing E-MU 1616m, was the fact of total bypass of USB and FireWire bus problems in between instruments and workstation. This was an interface that i knew would let all my other equipment (like for example my http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,1057,pid,1057,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html condenser mic) function at full capacity with no problem.

And in my friends house, there was a time once where his FastTrack started showing some latency-related "cracking/hissing" when we tried to record more then a single input at the time, like mic + bass + guitar + effects on top. I don't know anything about Macs so my friend was operating everything of course, but i do believe that more likely it was the USB limitation of throughput of amount of data instead of my friend's inability to properly configure or operate it. But everything is possible.

With EMU 1616m, I might be "using a tank/jackhammer to hammer in a tiny nail", but when i made a decision to buy it i felt that this is an interface that i will use for MANY years to come and never reach the limit of it's abilities. I think so far it was a good decision.

I am an amateur, and i say it proudly. I don't pretend to know all those things that professionals (semi-professionals, and hobbyists with many years of experience) know about this subject, and i know I'm stupid + prone to make rash decisions, but to be honest with all those hundreds of hours i spent working on problems like these, i have had a blast learning. And when you work on the problem and hear final result in form of sweet guitar tone and great vocals.... OOOOOH! That feeling is priceless! For everything else there is a "Master Card"...

Thanks for your input Santiago! Keep rocking!

Best Regards,

Anton

Posted by: Staffy Apr 12 2010, 09:46 AM

I'm glad that everything worked out nice for You. I can promise lots of hours with top-notch sound with this card, and when You got it to work properly - it will never give up!!!!

//Staffay

Ps. Btw. I think You can find set-ups for Patchmix in the user-forums, the most common DAW's is covered as far as I remember. Then You can have different profiles depending on the tasks. Ds.

Posted by: antonskv Apr 12 2010, 10:45 AM

If you only knew how happy i am I'm not just happy i am ecstatic I'll take it slow and little bit by little bit, see if i can master this card and get most of it. But like you said "Even developers don't know how PatchMix works" hehe, so i got a quite task ahead of me.

As far as the set-ups - i'll check them out.

I only hope that this whole thread of messages shows other non-Mac people that there is a way to match all those high-end Mac-friendly interfaces, without any sense of feeling inferior about being a PC user. 'Cause i've been hearing comments like "Oh well but for Audio work Mac is better, no?" when my friends are choosing a computer/laptop buy. That does make me sad, 'cause i'm a PC person since like 1990, and though while i can appreciate Macs (and might even get a Mac laptop, been thinking of it when i get extra $$), i don't discard PCs like something "lesser".

I think this interface is a very good alternative to getting professional audio if you can dedicate a workstation purely for that purpose. Even that is not fully true, since EMU now acts as perfect replacement for day-to-day sound card. So to be honest i have lost nothing by installing it, and gained a lot.

In some time i will be writing a full review about this, once i feel i know enough to present it to other people in proper elaborate way. Maybe in few months.

What pleases me even more is to see how well community reacts to other community member's questions/problems, and its nice to see so many people are willing to help. We're rock solid

You da man Staffay!

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 12 2010, 12:06 PM

FWIW Anton I work as an independent professional post production audio/mastering engineer. ALL of our platforms here are pc - 4 laptops for location with a SADiE LRX, one i7 64 bit desktop that currently runs Sequoia (soon to go to SADiE) and one backup 32 bit that is currently running Pyramix plus an old pc just for the internet. Provided you set up a pc for audio it's as good as Mac. Also the professional software we run here won't run on a Mac without emulation. I would also say that I know a lot of professionals in pre and post production audio who use pcs - so Macs are not industry standard for audio at all. I get sent a lot of stuff mixed on PT-HD to master because the mix engineers accept that I will get a better end result then they can. If Macs were the best for audio then I would either be out of business or I'd run Mac.

For interfacing I use Prism and Lavry ADDA - most pro end Mac users are on ProTools-HD a 192, or sometimes with Apogee. A Lavry DAC outperforms any PT and Apogee hardware in every subjective and objective audio test that has been done. For the pc interface - to get the signal in and out of the pc rather than for changing between analogue and digital - we use RME for light pipe and AES/EBU. RME are again known for producing the most stable audio drivers in the business. In ten years of using RME on a pc platform base the RME has never caused any downtime.

Now I'm not trying to start a mac vs pc debate - both are good and macs used to be more likely to run without conflicts straight out of the box. (That is no longer true though.) I just want to give you some info for the next time someone tells you that macs are better for audio

Posted by: antonskv Apr 12 2010, 03:09 PM

Heh, truly makes me feel better. Sometimes against my own solid opinion i feel bad that i don't even know how to use a Mac since i never had one and never even used one to browse internet. Figured that its something "more professional" during those bad moments when some of audio hardware on my PC is giving me problems or doesn't perform as well. Those moments happen rarely but when they do, it sucks.

As far as having something concrete to say to "Mac is best for pro audio...", I'm gonna do this:

*prints out Tonymiro's posting in amount of 10 copies, laminates every piece and puts them into his bag*

I'll stick those printouts in their teeth, 'cause there is no way I'm gonna remember all that

"Here chew on this, that was said by a pro. Now shut up, and stop making dilettante-like comments, which are nothing close to the truth. If you like Mac cause it looks cool and is considered cool by you friends - get it and don't pretend to be a specialist. You can make pro audio with either." LOL LOL

Just kidding... hehe

BTW... I regret a lot, that when i was working for post production studio which was located hand-in-hand, i didn't learn more about audio recording and production... We were on same floor, i even cleaned that 1 million dollar mixer board once lol... If i knew i will get into it, i would've tried to pump as much info as i could. We used to hang out with Sound Engineers, i could have pumped some knowledge. Oh well that's in the past: "Could'a, Would'a, Should'a... Blah blah blah...". Would've been cool though. Would've had better luck making my stuff sound better from home recording if had some knowledge dropped on me, but most likely technology changed so much in last 8-10 years, i might've as well not benefited at all from that outdated info.... Who knows...

Anyway...

I'm off to connecting my KORG PadKONTROL to my new EMU... Talk to you later.


Thanks man. For your help with my questions too. I hope one day i can return a favor.

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 12 2010, 03:14 PM

NP Anton