Re-orchestration Or Covering A Song |
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Re-orchestration Or Covering A Song |
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May 14 2013, 03:40 PM |
For me, when I do a cover in a band that usually does originals, the most important thing is to find and keep what it is about the original version that made it a great song, that made it a hit, that made it compelling enough for YOU to want to re-do it. And then at least retain that element.
This post has been edited by klasaine: May 14 2013, 03:49 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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May 15 2013, 08:37 AM |
If I want to cover a song and make it my own I only listen to the original enough to get the basics of the song down, I then let it evolve with subtle melody and phrasing changes, and listening to see if I'm hearing any re harmonisation opportunities.
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May 15 2013, 04:51 PM |
Original - 'Vera' from Pink Floyd the Wall (it's live, as I can't find an album version on the tube) ...
Mine ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine/k03-vera * also, the first soundclound in my sig is a stevie wonder tune. This post has been edited by klasaine: May 15 2013, 04:53 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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May 16 2013, 03:28 PM |
Unfortunately, the Youtube link is not available in my country but your rendition sounds great. Are you by any chance responsible with the sax playing as well? That bit around 02:41 sounds very close to Steve Vai's style of playing such lines. Great work man! Thanks. No, the sax player is a guy named Phil Moore. He also wrote the horn arrangements. That was recorded live by the way. As for the Steve Vai similarity on that one 'angular' lick ... I took eight lessons from him 27 years ago so I suppose something rubbed off (not any of his speed though, lol!). This post has been edited by klasaine: May 16 2013, 03:29 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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May 17 2013, 09:11 AM |
Hehehe! This is definitely something you HAVE to tell us ALL ABOUT
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May 17 2013, 09:47 AM |
Klasaine - You playing awesome piece of music! Love it!
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May 17 2013, 06:07 PM |
Hehehe! This is definitely something you HAVE to tell us ALL ABOUT A positive by-product of shared geography. During the end of his stint with Zappa but before the DLR gig (1983 ish), when he was in town, he'd give lessons. I found out he'd teach via a guitar playing buddy who was studying with him. I remember I just called him on the phone and we set up a weekly lesson (wednesday nights at 7:00 pm - $25.00 an hour). This lasted two months (8 lessons) when he got a gig with PIL or Whitesnake(?). He lived in Sylmar - a fairly rural suburb of Los Angeles (now he has a villa in the hollywood hills). I may be mis-remembering this but I think he had chickens on the property. He had a decent sized home studio (which in 1983 is a 'real' recording studio - tape machine - 2", 16 track I think, board, live room, etc.) and he'd give the lessons in the control room. He focused me on a lot of harmony and theory, cool chord voicings and helped me to really understand how to use the modes of the major scale correctly. Also, how to construct chord voicings and chord progressions from the (major scale) modes. He was VERY systematic. He also didn't take any shit about 'not' practicing. "Do you want to do it? - fing DO IT!" His overall focus - at least with me - was, technique is only a means to an end - music is the most important thing. In the first lesson he asked what I wanted to learn. I wasn't smart enough to actually have a real goal so I just said 'technique' - to me at the time it was the most obvious thing about Steve Vai - his chops, right. So he asked me to play him something. I played him a jazz chord melody. The he asked if I improvised and we jammed over something, I can't remember what exactly. I'm sure it was a one or two chord vamp. He said, "your technique is fine - you wanna get 'faster'? - keep doing what you're doing, pay attention to fret hand efficiency, work with a metronome and practice all the time" ... and that was it. He never talked about actual, physical technique again. *He also practiced like crazy! This post has been edited by klasaine: May 17 2013, 06:29 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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May 18 2013, 12:11 PM |
Hahaha This sounds like a piece of history! What a lucky dog you are, Ken! Very nice!
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May 18 2013, 04:58 PM |
Hahaha This sounds like a piece of history! What a lucky dog you are, Ken! Very nice! Like I said, "a positive by-product of shared geography". -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 19 2013, 09:51 AM |
Like I said, "a positive by-product of shared geography". Theoretically, that would give every guitar player in LA a chance, nowadays |
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May 21 2013, 11:22 AM |
What we did was just learn songs as covers but they would always somehow end up sounding like "our band". Trick I did was to never get too much into the lines I need to learn etc rather just wagely listen to the song details and come up with my version. Its always similar but different then original. I guess all the other band members did that and it was relatively a "subconscious process" that led to some cool covers. We didn't try to make an elaborate effort to re-orchestrating though we did change arrangements of the songs in such way to remove parts/shorten them etc to suit our style/vision of the song.
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May 21 2013, 03:57 PM |
change arrangements of the songs in such way to remove parts/shorten them etc to suit our style/vision of the song. Great point. Sometimes out of necessity you have to change things because it's impossible to actually do some of the parts. Like if you're a Trio and you want to play a 'Chicago' song - you're gonna have to adjust ... or, pick the right Chicago song to cover. (Picking tunes is an art in itself.) -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 22 2013, 05:40 PM |
In here, a lot of folks in cover bands have a great obsession on copying the songs EXACTLY or as close as possible to the original... A few years ago, I regarded that as a sign of respect to the composer, but now it seems like a never ending quest that can many times fail miserably, simply because, the composer feels and sees things differently and every interpret as well. Bogdan's approach is definitely a winner! Of course it depends on the band and the situation. If you're hired to be a cover band - BE a cover band. If you just want to do a tune that you like then just do it your way. My only advice is to remember what it is that drew you to the tune in the first place ... keep that. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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May 23 2013, 03:58 PM |
You demonstrate what I'm talking about perfectly.
I can tell the tune by :21 -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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