Kristofer Dahl - A Loner, My new tune! |
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Apr 20 2009, 01:24 PM
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Nice track, I love reading this "pro" mixing discussion. its very eye-opening, and i learned quite a bit from this actually
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Apr 20 2009, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 20 2009, 09:56 AM)  Thanks to this (and Fran's comment earlier) I just realised I have made a completely unnecessary mistake in the mix. There are six rhythm guitar tracks and 3 of them where panned in the middle - thereby seriously competing with the vocals..! I will fix this later today. Huge thanks again to everyone who gives their opinions here!!  No problem Kris, thank you for putting this track so we can comment it!  Sometimes it can be difficult for us (at least for me! ) to accept the weak points of our work, specially if we invest a lot of time and dedication in making it! This I think shows how much flexible and mature person is based on the critics. I have couple of more tips that I actually pulled out from a very useful book that I red some years ago. I hope it will be useful for many people, and it is related to the topic of this mix in some way. Delay: Digital delay is an excellent tool to widen the image of a single instrument. With original instrument sound panned to one side of the stereo spectrum and a short delay - below about 35ms - panned to the opposite side of the spectrum, the originally mono image spread across the panorama, leaving more room to hear the rest of the instruments. This technique widens the stereo image, but almost more importantly, it makes room to hear the rest of the instruments and their image in the stereo soundfield. Delay times between 35-50ms often sound very big and impressive in stereo. In understadning the stereo image, it's helpful to realize that when these short delays are panned apart, our ears will prefer the original over the delay. A phenomenon knows as the Haas effect indicates that the delay is suppressed by as much as 8-12dB. In other words our hearing system is doing it['s best to ensure that localization is cued from the initial direct sound wave. If we want to split an instrument in the mix, and we want that instrument to sound like it's coming equally from both left and right, we have to turn the delayed signal up higher in actual level than the original. The amount depends on the amount of transient and the overall sound quality of the instrument. EQ- cumulative effect: If we boost kick drum, bass guitar and rhythm guitar by 4dB@100Hz, they might each sound great alone, but the cumulative effect of boosting the same frequency on all these instruments wouldn't be good. The result is an artificially hot mix - a mix that doesn't sound as strong or loud as it should. The ideal procedure when combining EQ is to compensate for a boost in one instrument by cutting the same frequency in another instrument. Example - if bass gutiar needs 100Hz boost, then cutting kick @100Hz could be in order. If the kick needs more lows, boosting 60Hz, and cutting 60Hz on the bass guitar may seem more appropriate. If the guitars are added to these instruments, chances are there's no need to include the lows on the guitar at all. So cutting bellow ~150Hz on the guitars will be a good starting point. When we compensate for boosts in EQ by cutting at the corresponding frequency on a different instrument, we end up with mixes that sound louder at the same master mix level. We also create ixes that sound better on more systems. The arrangement: There are a lot of situations when it's valid to record a few tracks that you might or might not use in the mix. Often those tracks will be turned up for just a portion of the song, at just the right time. In that context, it can be very valuable to record extra parts. Yuo might be making some radical changes in your mixes. Once you've critically evaluated the options, you could end up turning off everything but the acoustic guitar and lead vocals for just the intro or the first quarter of the song; you might leave some tracks completely out of the song or just include them on the choruses. The options are vast. Multiple mixes: Don't be afraid to try something really "out there" with your songs. Render and mix as many different versions as you can come up with. Sometimes you'll listen to all of your final mix vesions and fall in love with the one that seemed like your least favorite in the studio. You might even end up editing parts of different versions together. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Apr 20 2009, 02:04 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Apr 20 2009, 03:59 PM
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This thread is my holy grail. I've been looking for mixing information everywhere!
Awesome song as always, Kris! I can hear that you've progressed a lot since I first heard you as well ^^ -------------------- GMC is not just a website... It's a lifestyle!
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Apr 20 2009, 06:02 PM
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very metal
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Apr 20 2009, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Apr 20 2009, 06:55 PM) Awesome stuff guys!!! I am completely in awe of the subtleties of your different Mixes!!!! It would be interesting (not just to me) to learn what Software/Plug-ins you all use and how you go about using them!! I'm a complete Noob to Digital Recording/Mixing and have no idea how to Set these things up or how to use them!!! Perhaps someone would consider a very basic 'Step-by-step guide to Home Recording'??? As I say, I can't be the only person who would find this advantageous!!!  Tony has made some good recording topics here. For what we are discussing now (the mastering) the most important tools are a multiband compressor and a limiter (limiters used for mastering are often call "maximizers" ). Other things you can use on the whole mix are parametric equalizers, enhancers and stereo widening tools. But yes we (especially me!) need more easy-to-follow recording tutorials!
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Apr 20 2009, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Apr 20 2009, 12:55 PM) Awesome stuff guys!!! I am completely in awe of the subtleties of your different Mixes!!!! It would be interesting (not just to me) to learn what Software/Plug-ins you all use and how you go about using them!! I'm a complete Noob to Digital Recording/Mixing and have no idea how to Set these things up or how to use them!!! Perhaps someone would consider a very basic 'Step-by-step guide to Home Recording'??? As I say, I can't be the only person who would find this advantageous!!! Hey Sensible, check out this SI lesson by Jordan. Will get you started for sure.. https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...mp;hl=Recording Sorry guys, carry on admiring Kris' awesome work..
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Apr 20 2009, 07:15 PM
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Ok I am thinking about using this new mix as the final master - it has a little more bottom and a little more stereo spread. Also I think I have fixed problem with slight clipping during the solo + the problem with guitars being panned on top of the vocals...
QUOTE (Praetorian @ Apr 20 2009, 07:58 PM) Nice! I put EMG 81/85's in my RG4EX and it sounds KILLER!!! VERY metal!! \m/ Awesome - I'm looking forward to testing it myself! |
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Apr 20 2009, 07:17 PM
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Kris - you've outdone yourself! I love this song
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Means very much to hear this coming from you - needless to say I am constantly inspired by our KMC Metal work, when writing this kind of stuff!
 
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