Worst Sounding Albums ?, bad production or bad mastering |
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Aug 16 2013, 11:59 AM
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Creed "My Own Prison"
I like the band itself bad guitars on this album sound so thin and harshy...all juicy middle sucked...damn |
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Aug 16 2013, 01:20 PM
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NIN - Pretty Hate Machine.
BUT WAIT! They did re-release/master it!  Edit to Ben: No! Too early, need food! I grew up on NIN, I remember watching the music videos and such. But Pretty Hate Machine was not an album I enjoyed. The music always seemed fuzzy and didn't seem clean at all. I disliked the cd for that a lot. But now with the remastered cd. It's pretty much like they fixed all of that. Some of the ambient noises in the back now "pop" and give it a such cleaner redefined feel. Almost like sitting back and drinking a nice cold slightly iced Sprite that give a cool refreshing crisp bite to it! Terrible Lie is the song I really noticed it on, the entire bass riff really stands out and is cleaned up. This post has been edited by SpaseMoonkey: Aug 16 2013, 01:36 PM -------------------- Guitars:
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Aug 16 2013, 01:35 PM
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I'm not talking about song writing, just the mixing and/ or mastering.. ... [/quote] Assuming that it's professionally mastered generally it's the down to the production prior to mastering. There are limits to what you can affect and/or save at mastering and also the mastering engineer nearly always has to do what s/he is told by the producer. If the guitars have already been mixed out by the mixing engineer then the chance of bringing them back at mastering is slight. We're doing everything on the stereo mix and even splitting out to an MS is onlikely to be enough to sufficiently pull something out from the background. I get a lot of enquiries where the producer wants 2013 LOUD and if I even suggest that it is not a good idea and will be detrimental to the audio the work goes elsewhere. I'm quite happy for that to happen as I don't like butchering audio but clearly someone somewhere is happy to drive things way in to the red, shear off peak forms, clip trnasients and flatten out the crest to next to nothing. Having said all of that the mastering engineer is at the end of the ass kicking chain so it is always our fault. Everything that has gone before has been approved by the producer. Ultimately if it's finally deemed wrong by the consumer the producer will blame the mastering engineer: all of the previous production decisions were right so the ME must have screwed up... -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Aug 16 2013, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 16 2013, 01:42 PM)  Oh yeah totally agree Tony  Don't worry, I wasn't for a moment suggesting that the mastering process resulted in a bad mix. I've known you long enough to know better than that The bad mix is there anyway. No, I mean there may be some albums that had a hatchet job done on them at the mastering stage.. sometimes they're remasters. I was directly inspired by this album by (again) Manowar..... No worries as i didn't think you were Ben, it's just a general reply .A lot of remasters are a mess and for lots of different reasons. Sometimes they are re-'mastered' over the top of the original master because the label hasn't got access to the mixes. Sometimes it's not even the pmcd but one of the actual commercially available CDs etc. I've lost count of the times I've been asked if I can remaster from a vinyl record, cassette tape, 8 track, etc. So here you start with a stereo mix that may already have been limited, dithered to 16 bit, etc. so it's hardly great source material. Ideally the engineer should be concentrating on cleaning up the source and doing very little else but she'll be told to get the level to modern equivalent instead. So instead of focusing on cleaning up the source they'll have to eq down the low end and take up the mid quite a lot, shear off the tops of waveforms and compress the life out of it before limiting it again and redithering it and so inducing more noise. Sometimes the mastering engineer will have access to the original mixes but may well be working in isolation of the producer and band. Here the engineer doesn't know what the artist intended and so is kind of working in the dark. Often what they'll try and do is aim for something that they think is current and representative; sometimes they try and make their own artistic statement. In either case the remaster is likely to be quite different from the original. A little OT as none of these are metal examples: On a drive from Malaga to my home last week my wife and I were listening to the radio. Both my wife and I found it very easy to spot the remastered version of Rose Royce's 'Wishing on a Star' because the lead vox had been pushed for volume and the top sheared off to the point where it was distorting. That's bad (re-)mastering. When we got home we wathed the BBC3 Urban Prom and we both liked one of the singers. Went to listen to his material on commercial release and it had been made so vanilla that all the beautiful resonances that gave his voice depth were gone. Bad mixing and/or mastering. My wife bought me Tracy Thorn's last album and I find some of it unlistenable because the mixing is painful in places. (The album was recorded, mixed and mastered by different engineers in different studios.) One of the mix engineer also did some of the mastering and the gapping and sequencing is 'odd'. Bad recording, mixing and mastering in places. You should listen to Dappy's recent releases (one of the three from N'Dubz) who now records, mixed and masters his own material because he's famous and has a bedroom studio. It's pretty much a master class in how not to mix but because he's famous there will be a lot of bedroom mixers who will try and emulate what he does. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Aug 16 2013, 07:41 PM
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I would like to add another vote to St Anger, and what about "And justice for all". The mix of that album is not good, I remember that they weren't happy with it and that's why they decided to contract the same producer than Motley Crue's Dr Feelgood album for the black album.
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Aug 17 2013, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (Slavenko Erazer @ Aug 16 2013, 11:08 PM) 3 great songs on Into Glory , and the rest not so great. Shut up. 
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Aug 17 2013, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE (Slavenko Erazer @ Aug 16 2013, 10:08 PM) 3 great songs on Into Glory , and the rest not so great. I'd say 4 or 5 of them are great. The remaining two are just good. 
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Aug 17 2013, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Aug 17 2013, 10:13 AM) Shut up. Why?  Hail to England and Sign Of the Hummer are a lot better albums...
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Aug 17 2013, 06:20 PM
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The latest Ratt album sounds very weird for me...
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But that's just my humble oppinion.
 
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