GMC Forum _ GEAR & PRODUCTION _ Jackson King V Pro
Posted by: Yash Sep 12 2014, 09:20 PM
Hey guys !!! I posted a thread about acoustic guitars. Hope you check that out as well This one too will be a pretty long one, me rambling Sorry
So, finally, I am going to buy the guitar of my dreams - a Jackson King V. This will be my second guitar ever. At least electric if you don't count the crappy acoustic I have. Even though it's not the exact same thing I want it to be, it's pretty darn close. It has an Alder body, Maple neck, ebony fingerboard (the wood combination I actually wanted), and neck through construction. I felt the neck on a few Jacksons and they feel really amazing ! Slim, easy to shred on and do chords that want you to stretch. It has a Floyd Rose Bridge (Floyd Rose 1000 series tremolo) They say it's the same as the Original Floyd Rose, but, it's made in Korea, not Germany. Compromisable ? Because I've heard a lot of bad stuff about Licensed Floyd's. Next, it has EMG picksups, 81 in the bridge. Either the 85 or 89. Not sure because I've seen mixed stuff. Some sites mention it's an 85, other's and more practical reviews say it's an 89. I would personally prefer the 89 because it can go single coil mode. But, I would have much more prefered if it had Duncan JB-4 and Jazz in it. The JB-4 has more vocal quality mid range in my opinion. It has the ''aww'' and that nasaly thing It's hard to describe in words. So, I was thinking, if possible, would I be able to switch the pickups out in the future for duncans, or possibly, the active Dave Mustaine Livewires, which are basically active JB-4 and Jazz. Is it possible ? I've seen most people shift from Passive to Active EMGs. I wanna do the opposite Oh, and, there's nothing fancy about those tuners I guess High end ones would have been nice, locking with a high gear ratio I know, I'm greedy
The only things I don't like about the guitar are - Pickups (I would prefer Duncan JB-4/Jazz combo, or the Dave Mustaine Livewires), Inlays (They're black. White is the way!), tuners (why not give us schaller or grover or something ? Maybe the Planet Waves Auto trim ones which Chris Broderick uses on his guitars ?) Oh, and also, just two knobs I wanted three So, I could mod things later down the line if needed. But, all these are minor things, right ? Which may even be replaceable in the future, if I wish so. I guess
Now, since I out of inexperience and just listening to things, prefer passive pickups a bit more, especially the JB because of that nasally ''aww'', I thought, why not get a second guitar to contrast this one, something very different. So, I thought of getting a Les Paul, or rather, a single cut. Completely different Mahogony body and neck, rosewood fingerboard, tone-pros bridge (let's me change tunings very easily, something I do a lot, not possible with a Floyd).
After a bit of searching, I found my ''almost'' perfect Les Paul - The Epiphone Prophecy Les Paul Custom PLUS It's got the true Les Paul-ness, if you will. Mahogany body and neck, rosewood fingerboard, set neck, 24,75'' inches scale length, and had 24 frets. Exactly what I wanted. And, it even had nice 14:1 or 16:1 (don't remember which ones) Grover tuners Sweet, right ? Once again, we have a deal killer against perfection - THE PICKUPS !! Gibson USA humbuckers. Though EMG's are available on another model, I am not looking at that one because if I buy the Jackson (which I 100% will), I won't know how passives feel. But, I also liked the PRS Mikael Akerfaldt model. Basically, for my second guitar, any single cut that's shorter scale lengthed and has 24 frets without EMGs will do the job. Is it a good idea to have such variety, or just stick to something that I find nice in the first go ? considering I just own a crappy 80 dollar guitar with a fat neck and don't have any experience with tone. What do you think ? Any comments
Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 12 2014, 11:33 PM
Sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what you want and what is available It really does come down to you as a player at some point. Per usual, I'd say try as hard as you can to get your hands on any guitar you are thinking about buying, especially in this case as the guitars you are talking about are NOT cheap.
Are you going to be able to get to a music store and play these or are you just going to have to take some advice and hope for the best?
Posted by: Yash Sep 13 2014, 07:46 AM
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 13 2014, 02:33 AM)
Sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what you want and what is available It really does come down to you as a player at some point. Per usual, I'd say try as hard as you can to get your hands on any guitar you are thinking about buying, especially in this case as the guitars you are talking about are NOT cheap.
Are you going to be able to get to a music store and play these or are you just going to have to take some advice and hope for the best?
I sadly won't get to play them Order them and hope for the best.
Posted by: Bossie Sep 13 2014, 08:04 AM
No probs for the prophecy les paul..they are in much better shape then the low er priced epi standards...you'll love it!
Posted by: SpaseMoonkey Sep 13 2014, 11:49 AM
Todd is 100% right. When buying a new guitar you really do need to be able to try them. You may not like a V and how it sits when you play it. From how it sits in to your lap and against your leg to how your arm rests on the body for picking. If you like that aspect and can move on a lot will go into well what does your ears say? To me that part doesn't matter, all hardware can be changed to get the sound you want.
The stock pickups in my RG920, are so bad to my ears that I would rather set the guitar and look at it instead of playing it. I rarely play it because the pickups are kind dull and muddy. I would toss new pickups in it, but the neck specs are said to be thinner than my RG470s but my hands say that is a lie. So I may end up trading it in towards new gear when the day is right. This is why you need to be sure you like the feel of the guitar, because no matter how much you play it. It doesn't mean you will ever want to just lean over, grab the guitar, and just jam away.
Posted by: Yash Sep 13 2014, 03:42 PM
QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Sep 13 2014, 02:49 PM)
Todd is 100% right. When buying a new guitar you really do need to be able to try them. You may not like a V and how it sits when you play it. From how it sits in to your lap and against your leg to how your arm rests on the body for picking. If you like that aspect and can move on a lot will go into well what does your ears say? To me that part doesn't matter, all hardware can be changed to get the sound you want.
The stock pickups in my RG920, are so bad to my ears that I would rather set the guitar and look at it instead of playing it. I rarely play it because the pickups are kind dull and muddy. I would toss new pickups in it, but the neck specs are said to be thinner than my RG470s but my hands say that is a lie. So I may end up trading it in towards new gear when the day is right. This is why you need to be sure you like the feel of the guitar, because no matter how much you play it. It doesn't mean you will ever want to just lean over, grab the guitar, and just jam away.
Well, I haven't tried exactly that guitar, but I've tried other V's. And I love that feel, how my hands sit on it, I don't need to bend with my back, as they are higher Much more comfy. And, I even prefer it more standing. I like to play standing rather than sitting But, many practice sessions are sitting. I tried a lower end V and a Fernandes V and they both sat really nice on me. Loved that feel :
As regards neck, I tried lower model Jackson necks, and they felt amazing. Really sweet to do barre chords, and thin and easy to play. I was able to play things I normally can't play on my current guitar (For example, Megadeth's In My Darkest Hour clean riff).
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 13 2014, 04:42 PM
Hey Yash, we have already discussed this one a lot, so summing things up - you seem to know what you want, but you also seem to need a confirmation from us.
Well, I for one have owned a copy of a Randy Rhoads A LONG time ago - it was my first axe, but back then, I had no clue, what was what. Literally - I tried to tune it up normally and I tensed up a string so much that I broke it, on the other side of the nut of course, as it was locked with the floyd saddle
The main idea here is - definitely test it if you can You will know what and why you are buying.
Posted by: Yash Sep 13 2014, 06:23 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 13 2014, 07:42 PM)
Hey Yash, we have already discussed this one a lot, so summing things up - you seem to know what you want, but you also seem to need a confirmation from us.
Well, I for one have owned a copy of a Randy Rhoads A LONG time ago - it was my first axe, but back then, I had no clue, what was what. Literally - I tried to tune it up normally and I tensed up a string so much that I broke it, on the other side of the nut of course, as it was locked with the floyd saddle
The main idea here is - definitely test it if you can You will know what and why you are buying.
How to avoid that ? I hate when strings break everyone does
Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 14 2014, 06:27 AM
EGAD!!! If at all possible, save some money and plan a trip. Take a trip to wherever you can find a good music store with some good guitars. Rent a hotel. Spend the weekend. It will be well worth it instead of spending thousands on a guitar that you end up not liking.
QUOTE (Yash @ Sep 13 2014, 02:46 AM)
I sadly won't get to play them Order them and hope for the best.
Just a bit if IBBY TRIVIA your RG270 neck is 1MM THINNER than your RG920 The RG270 has an original wizard and the 920 is a Wizard Premium. 270 is 17mm at the nut (AMAZING NECK!!!!) Premium is 18 mm
QUOTE (SpaseMoonkey @ Sep 13 2014, 06:49 AM)
Todd is 100% right. When buying a new guitar you really do need to be able to try them. You may not like a V and how it sits when you play it. From how it sits in to your lap and against your leg to how your arm rests on the body for picking. If you like that aspect and can move on a lot will go into well what does your ears say? To me that part doesn't matter, all hardware can be changed to get the sound you want.
The stock pickups in my RG920, are so bad to my ears that I would rather set the guitar and look at it instead of playing it. I rarely play it because the pickups are kind dull and muddy. I would toss new pickups in it, but the neck specs are said to be thinner than my RG470s but my hands say that is a lie. So I may end up trading it in towards new gear when the day is right. This is why you need to be sure you like the feel of the guitar, because no matter how much you play it. It doesn't mean you will ever want to just lean over, grab the guitar, and just jam away.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 15 2014, 07:55 AM
Todd is right If this guitar is so important to you, you should organize the buying in such a way that you won't spend a fortune on something you will end up disliking.
Experience speaking here, of course not in a boasting way - I for one never ever bought an axe before trying it, even though I was tempted at some points, because hey - guy X and y and z said it is SUPER! No way man, what if i won't like it? I'll end up trying to get rid of it at a lower price than I got it for. Possible outcome? A bit of frustration and wasted time and money I am sure you don't want that, right?
What's the closest big music store to Tver?
Posted by: Bossie Sep 15 2014, 12:26 PM
I'm surprized yash found playing a V comfortable...most players don't at first..even the better.
Try before you buy is indeed the golden rule...but also if you're not used to the Epiphone LP style guitar you could feel very uncomfortable at first..at least i did.
But you can still become one with the instrument...just not in the store ofcours.
But you can check out the sound,the neck and inspect the parts and look for flaws on the instrument ...and ask for a nice setup
Posted by: Yash Sep 20 2014, 05:00 PM
I ordered that V Have to wait till late October though Oh, and, I got it a good deal on it. With the rate and stuff I payed, it was like, just $1100. Got a good deal Considering the guitar itself is a thousand bucks in the US and the shipping and all to Russia I guess I got a good deal, And there's a money back guarantee too And, I really love the V shape. I find it pretty comfortable. While sitting. My left hand is in a great position. And the right hand feels relaxed too The only thing I don't like about the guitar is - black inlays I would dig white ones. Oh well, if I ever get bored or feel so, I'll buy some stickers
QUOTE (Bossie @ Sep 15 2014, 03:26 PM)
I'm surprized yash found playing a V comfortable...most players don't at first..even the better.
Try before you buy is indeed the golden rule...but also if you're not used to the Epiphone LP style guitar you could feel very uncomfortable at first..at least i did.
But you can still become one with the instrument...just not in the store ofcours.
But you can check out the sound,the neck and inspect the parts and look for flaws on the instrument ...and ask for a nice setup
Sadly, they won't give me a setup because that shop apparently has no ''masters'' as they call them in Russia Guitar masters. I live in what I think a small town and there are few of these guitar masters. They said they'll give me the number and I'll have to get in touch with him to get it set up. Plus, the worst thing was - I couldn't translate setup into Russian. Setup, Intonation, Action... Nothing worked
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 21 2014, 09:29 PM
QUOTE (Yash @ Sep 20 2014, 04:00 PM)
Sadly, they won't give me a setup because that shop apparently has no ''masters'' as they call them in Russia Guitar masters. I live in what I think a small town and there are few of these guitar masters. They said they'll give me the number and I'll have to get in touch with him to get it set up. Plus, the worst thing was - I couldn't translate setup into Russian. Setup, Intonation, Action... Nothing worked
I'd go for the following thing: find some Russian guitar playing forums and ask them nicely if they can help you with the translation I am sure there are people there talking Russian - there's also the option of contacting one of the Russian GMC students - there's Smolentsev - I know he lives in Russia and there's pavelducati as well - he speaks Russian for certain and he is active! I think writing him a PM would help out
Posted by: Yash Sep 21 2014, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 22 2014, 12:29 AM)
I'd go for the following thing: find some Russian guitar playing forums and ask them nicely if they can help you with the translation I am sure there are people there talking Russian - there's also the option of contacting one of the Russian GMC students - there's Smolentsev - I know he lives in Russia and there's pavelducati as well - he speaks Russian for certain and he is active! I think writing him a PM would help out
I'll do it tomorrow Right now, sleep
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 22 2014, 11:38 AM
Alrightie Yash - keep us updated and do write pavelducati - he is a very nice gentleman who will surely help out
Posted by: Yash Sep 22 2014, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 22 2014, 02:38 PM)
Alrightie Yash - keep us updated and do write pavelducati - he is a very nice gentleman who will surely help out
Sure. I am on it right now
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 23 2014, 10:47 AM
Perfect The setup is very important. I mean, even if you get a very good guitar, it still needs to be adjusted to YOU Don't forget, you pick it up from the shop where the adjustments are standard. That doesn't make the guitar 100% perfectly suited for your precise needs. That's why I strongly urge you guys to take it to a luthier with whom you can have a talk about who you are, what you want and how you want your axe to feel. It's like a sword - a swordsmith knows how a blade should sit in the hands of a master, how the balance should feel, how the hilt should balance the blade - it's the same with guitars Let's hope you will find such a talented man to help you.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 23 2014, 10:21 PM
Congrats on your new guitar!! I hope it's to your liking. Sorry that you couldn't play it in advance but such is life eh?
Shoot some pix when it shows up I guess it's pretty tough to find a local music store in Russia?
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 23 2014, 05:47 AM)
Perfect The setup is very important. I mean, even if you get a very good guitar, it still needs to be adjusted to YOU Don't forget, you pick it up from the shop where the adjustments are standard. That doesn't make the guitar 100% perfectly suited for your precise needs. That's why I strongly urge you guys to take it to a luthier with whom you can have a talk about who you are, what you want and how you want your axe to feel. It's like a sword - a swordsmith knows how a blade should sit in the hands of a master, how the balance should feel, how the hilt should balance the blade - it's the same with guitars Let's hope you will find such a talented man to help you.
Posted by: Yash Sep 24 2014, 12:45 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 23 2014, 01:47 PM)
Perfect The setup is very important. I mean, even if you get a very good guitar, it still needs to be adjusted to YOU Don't forget, you pick it up from the shop where the adjustments are standard. That doesn't make the guitar 100% perfectly suited for your precise needs. That's why I strongly urge you guys to take it to a luthier with whom you can have a talk about who you are, what you want and how you want your axe to feel. It's like a sword - a swordsmith knows how a blade should sit in the hands of a master, how the balance should feel, how the hilt should balance the blade - it's the same with guitars Let's hope you will find such a talented man to help you.
Umm.. I don't know how I want my axe to feel ? Well, just easy to play, that I don't have to fight with it. That's all. And, great analogy with the sword. The guitar are our tools of trade, just like a surgeon has his scalpels and clamps and stuff I spent a thousand dollars getting this baby. I hope it will make me earn a millions and more importantly, send a smile to some other guy's face who's on the other side of the world, but, the power of music and feelings unite us all
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 24 2014, 01:21 AM)
Congrats on your new guitar!! I hope it's to your liking. Sorry that you couldn't play it in advance but such is life eh?
Shoot some pix when it shows up I guess it's pretty tough to find a local music store in Russia?
Thank you Todd I hope too. I really wanna experiment with the Floyd, and that thin neck, just feels so much better than my current axe, and, any other axe I tried And, of course I'll shoot pix. Many in fact And post 'em here and on Facebook For all of you to see. And, finding a local music store. I don't know. It's easier to find one here than in Delhi I think it'll be easier in Moscow, but I live in a small town, and there are like, 4 music stores in here.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 24 2014, 04:49 PM
Well, Yash, first get your hands on it and then you will see Most likely it'll feel great, as it's a mid-upper level guitar as far as the price shows, so if you wish to change some things here and there, a luthier can hep out, as I told you in the post before.
Posted by: Yash Nov 13 2014, 06:17 PM
Guys, ITS HERE !!!! I am so happy, almost down to tears... This is the best day of my life.. Pics coming soon, till then.. enjoy these two. I'll take close up pics of the guitar soon
Posted by: AK Rich Nov 13 2014, 06:34 PM
Congrats champ! The new V looks great! And I love that second picture where you are caressing it like it is the love of your life. I wish you two a lifetime of joy and happiness!
Posted by: Mertay Nov 13 2014, 06:35 PM
Awesome and yeah more pic.s please
Posted by: Yash Nov 13 2014, 06:36 PM
I've never been happier in a long time ! The happiest day of my life ! It might as well be the love of my life, but, I know it, she knows it, will be upgraded after a some years, but never sold, never given, with me forever
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 14 2014, 10:27 AM
Congrats matey! I know you've been waiting for this for at least a couple of years now!
It's a moment you will most likely not forget EVER and hey - my first guitar was a Jackson Randy Rhoads copy, a V as well I sold it though, but I don't regret it Enjoy the music!
Posted by: Yash Nov 14 2014, 05:56 PM
Thanks a lot Cosmin. And, no, I will never ever forget this moment. I was almost in tears when I first played it. I waited far too long for this guitar. Now, that it's finally mine, time to enjoy and get to work
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 14 2014, 06:41 PM
Awesome!! It looks killer Yash! Congratulations on this beautiful new guitar! I'm sure that it will bring lots of inspiration and motivation to create music and to practice hard.
How does it sound? Do you find it comfortable to play? What are your first thoughts about it?
Posted by: Yash Nov 14 2014, 08:58 PM
As promised, here are the photos of the guitar. Isn't it amazing ??? The quilt looks much better in person
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 14 2014, 09:41 PM)
Awesome!! It looks killer Yash! Congratulations on this beautiful new guitar! I'm sure that it will bring lots of inspiration and motivation to create music and to practice hard.
How does it sound? Do you find it comfortable to play? What are your first thoughts about it?
Thanks Gabriel You'll be the first to hear it in action tonight at the vid chat It sounds amazing. Too good to be true. I thought I would have to scoop out the mids with the EMG's, but the 81 works AMAZING with boosted mids and I get that nasally ''aaoo'' sound, that Megadeth had in their first 2 albums, especially the song Mechanix. I totally loved it ! The cleans are really nice, though I am still searching for a nice clean tone. Though I don't know if that search will ever end But, it's really nice, clean, doesn't break up and is noiseless when I am not playing and typing (right now !) I totally love the sound. The neck pickup is an EMG 89 which can turn into a single coil when I pull the volume pot up. And, the pots are really responsive, though I won't really see it with the EMG pickups, but the tone pot is really responsive and I have already begun making a lot of use of it in my playing. Totally loved it. Then, there's the Floyd Rose, totally love playing around with it. My only complain is that it hangs down, I would like to have it stay fix at the place I leave it Any ideas ? Anyone ? Then, we go to the neck, which is really comfortable and smooth, the back of the neck is not glossy and has a woody finish so moving around is quick, easy and comfortable. I see myself putting less effort in doing everything than I used to on my previous guitar It's a dream to play. And, it stays pretty well in tune, whenever it goes out a little, I adjust it with the fine tuners. Added bonus, I am using the fine tuners to shift between Standard Tuning and Dropped D. Works like a charm I don't need a D-Tuna These are my first thoughts about it. I'll find more flaws as I keep playing though Or maybe I won't Let's see
Posted by: bleez Nov 14 2014, 10:21 PM
congrats on the guitar, dude. It looks great. The finish is amazing, I really like that burst, its got a real fiery look about it
Posted by: Yash Nov 15 2014, 02:37 PM
QUOTE (bleez @ Nov 15 2014, 01:21 AM)
congrats on the guitar, dude. It looks great. The finish is amazing, I really like that burst, its got a real fiery look about it
Thank you Bleez Yes. I do agree about the finish. I could have had one in Black 2 months ago, but, I wanted this finish, so, I waited 2 months, and it was worth the wait Love the guitar
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 15 2014, 06:47 PM
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 14 2014, 07:58 PM)
As promised, here are the photos of the guitar. Isn't it amazing ??? The quilt looks much better in person
Thanks Gabriel You'll be the first to hear it in action tonight at the vid chat It sounds amazing. Too good to be true. I thought I would have to scoop out the mids with the EMG's, but the 81 works AMAZING with boosted mids and I get that nasally ''aaoo'' sound, that Megadeth had in their first 2 albums, especially the song Mechanix. I totally loved it ! The cleans are really nice, though I am still searching for a nice clean tone. Though I don't know if that search will ever end But, it's really nice, clean, doesn't break up and is noiseless when I am not playing and typing (right now !) I totally love the sound. The neck pickup is an EMG 89 which can turn into a single coil when I pull the volume pot up. And, the pots are really responsive, though I won't really see it with the EMG pickups, but the tone pot is really responsive and I have already begun making a lot of use of it in my playing. Totally loved it. Then, there's the Floyd Rose, totally love playing around with it. My only complain is that it hangs down, I would like to have it stay fix at the place I leave it Any ideas ? Anyone ? Then, we go to the neck, which is really comfortable and smooth, the back of the neck is not glossy and has a woody finish so moving around is quick, easy and comfortable. I see myself putting less effort in doing everything than I used to on my previous guitar It's a dream to play. And, it stays pretty well in tune, whenever it goes out a little, I adjust it with the fine tuners. Added bonus, I am using the fine tuners to shift between Standard Tuning and Dropped D. Works like a charm I don't need a D-Tuna These are my first thoughts about it. I'll find more flaws as I keep playing though Or maybe I won't Let's see
Hey matey Glad to see you are enjoying the new girl
Now, about that whammy bar - the only solution I can see, would be to have it fixed in the position you wold like to have it and keep it there - out of what I know, it has this little thing that screws itself around it and keeps it in place - right? I already see it fixed in a position, from what the pictures are showing, but maybe it's not fixed yet - have you tried to fix it with that little device that screws itself around the bar?
Posted by: Yash Nov 15 2014, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 15 2014, 09:47 PM)
Hey matey Glad to see you are enjoying the new girl
Now, about that whammy bar - the only solution I can see, would be to have it fixed in the position you wold like to have it and keep it there - out of what I know, it has this little thing that screws itself around it and keeps it in place - right? I already see it fixed in a position, from what the pictures are showing, but maybe it's not fixed yet - have you tried to fix it with that little device that screws itself around the bar?
Hey Matey I really am enjoying her a lot You have no idea.
Yes. I do screw it. And tighten it up. And, it does fix. For a while. Once I use it, it starts hanging again. Any other ideas ? And, I don't think it's a problem to drop it down to D with the fine tuners ? Or should I just keep it in Standard all the time ? It seems to respond fine by now. Once I tune it up, doesn't go out of tune until I do some crazy bending.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 16 2014, 08:58 AM
Hey Yash! I wouldn't go so far as de-tune the axe into drop D with the fine tuners. It's still a whole step on the thick E string and I think that as I said, this is on of the major downgrades of the Floyd units. You need to unlock the mechanism and re-tune and re-calibrate the axe for any other tuning than the standard one and then lock it back up and re-adjust the fine tuners.
If you de-tune it, make sure you are goning through all this process and not leaving it all to the fine tuners, because I don't know how healthy it is for the guitar. Maybe some other folks here know more about this, but I think it's a very important aspect, that if taken care of, can prolongue the life of your Floyd unit.
Posted by: Yash Nov 16 2014, 10:55 AM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 16 2014, 11:58 AM)
Hey Yash! I wouldn't go so far as de-tune the axe into drop D with the fine tuners. It's still a whole step on the thick E string and I think that as I said, this is on of the major downgrades of the Floyd units. You need to unlock the mechanism and re-tune and re-calibrate the axe for any other tuning than the standard one and then lock it back up and re-adjust the fine tuners.
If you de-tune it, make sure you are goning through all this process and not leaving it all to the fine tuners, because I don't know how healthy it is for the guitar. Maybe some other folks here know more about this, but I think it's a very important aspect, that if taken care of, can prolongue the life of your Floyd unit.
OK. I won't de-tune it. That's the only thing I don't like about the Floyd systems I just wanna shift from Standard to Drop D, and I don't wanna use a D-Tuna because if I do, I can't pull up. And, I LOVE PULL-UPS !! Guys, any help with this ?
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 17 2014, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 16 2014, 09:55 AM)
OK. I won't de-tune it. That's the only thing I don't like about the Floyd systems I just wanna shift from Standard to Drop D, and I don't wanna use a D-Tuna because if I do, I can't pull up. And, I LOVE PULL-UPS !! Guys, any help with this ?
I have no idea mate - is it were up to me, I wouldn't've bought a Floyd Rose guitar in the first place But that's just me - I guess you can't really have'em all at hand - or at least, I don't have a solution. Let's see if other folks here have bumped into this problem and founf a way around it
Posted by: Yash Nov 17 2014, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Nov 17 2014, 11:36 AM)
I have no idea mate - is it were up to me, I wouldn't've bought a Floyd Rose guitar in the first place But that's just me - I guess you can't really have'em all at hand - or at least, I don't have a solution. Let's see if other folks here have bumped into this problem and founf a way around it
Well, I love the Floyd Rose It's so amazing. Guys, any suggestions ?
Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 17 2014, 06:00 PM
SPIFF! I saw you playing it this weekend in CHAT. FINE CHOICE!!! Looks and sounds great!!
QUOTE (AK Rich @ Nov 13 2014, 01:34 PM)
Congrats champ! The new V looks great! And I love that second picture where you are caressing it like it is the love of your life. I wish you two a lifetime of joy and happiness!
Posted by: Yash Nov 18 2014, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 17 2014, 09:00 PM)
SPIFF! I saw you playing it this weekend in CHAT. FINE CHOICE!!! Looks and sounds great!!
Thank you TODD It plays like a dream too
Posted by: Yash Nov 18 2014, 06:01 PM
Here's what it sounds like. Yes, I need to improve my playing a lot. But hey, that's what I am here for !
Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 19 2014, 12:15 AM
The only other option besides a DTUNA For doing drop D and keeping standard E available is to get a really tall/long fine tuner screw for your E. You can buy an entire set for pretty cheap They are just taller than regular screws so that you can tune up/down further.
of course, you wanna make sure the screws are compatible so you'd wanna contact whoever you buy them from to make sure.
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 18 2014, 01:01 PM)
Here's what it sounds like. Yes, I need to improve my playing a lot. But hey, that's what I am here for !
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 19 2014, 10:17 AM
Hey Yash
Congrats once again on your new guitar! I watched the video and here's what I suggest in order for your rhythm playing to become tight as an industrial sewing machine:
- timing - you need to become able to stay on the beat - regardless if you use a metronome or a backing track or play with people - groove - learning how to sustain a pulse and give the rhythm that extra something that makes people nod their heads is the one ingredient that EVERY player needsto master, regardless if he plays rhythm, lead, or both! - clean playing - you should get rid of the unwanted noises and dodgy chord/position changes that make your playing sound dirty - tightness - when you don't land a chord in the exact moment it should be played and if the chord change is not clean, the playing sounds shaky and not in perfect synch with the backing or band - you want to avoid this - being in tune - you need to take care for your guitar to be tuned each time you play, not to mention each time you record
To make all these things happen, you need patience and focus and being able to play something short as well and tight as possible. How about learning this lesson and posting a recording?
It will definitely help you out on setting all these things straight
Posted by: Yash Nov 20 2014, 08:47 AM
Cosmin, I am already on it. Thanks for the tips sensei.
Posted by: Yash Nov 20 2014, 12:41 PM
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 19 2014, 03:15 AM)
The only other option besides a DTUNA For doing drop D and keeping standard E available is to get a really tall/long fine tuner screw for your E. You can buy an entire set for pretty cheap They are just taller than regular screws so that you can tune up/down further.
of course, you wanna make sure the screws are compatible so you'd wanna contact whoever you buy them from to make sure.
The shipping costs me more than those fine tuners Wowie.... And, I don't think you can replace them... Or can you ? They won't come off That's the whole point, right ?
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 20 2014, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 20 2014, 07:47 AM)
Cosmin, I am already on it. Thanks for the tips sensei.
Anytime, matey Looking forward to see the first recordings and thoughts!
Posted by: Yash Nov 23 2014, 11:13 AM
Yes sir ! Oh, and an update on my guitar. Travis (spasemoonkey) told me to stretch the strings, which I did. Now it doesn't go out of tune anymore, at least not as easily, AND the E string doesn't go down to D anymore Oh well.. let's see. RIght now I have to play in Standard tuning, so no problems. And I get the feeling I messed up the action and stuff.
Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 24 2014, 09:28 PM
They are just screws yash You can just unscrew them and they come out. They are not welded in place
Thats sorta the point of buying replacement screws. See?
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 20 2014, 07:41 AM)
The shipping costs me more than those fine tuners Wowie.... And, I don't think you can replace them... Or can you ? They won't come off That's the whole point, right ?
Nobody ever mentioned string stretching before? Glad somebody did Well done MOONKEY! Glad you are stretching them! But yeah, if you wanna do drop tune, you really just need one longer tuning screw
QUOTE (Yash @ Nov 23 2014, 06:13 AM)
Yes sir ! Oh, and an update on my guitar. Travis (spasemoonkey) told me to stretch the strings, which I did. Now it doesn't go out of tune anymore, at least not as easily, AND the E string doesn't go down to D anymore Oh well.. let's see. RIght now I have to play in Standard tuning, so no problems. And I get the feeling I messed up the action and stuff.
Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 25 2014, 01:07 PM
Stretching the strings after placing them on the guitar is always recommended Grab each string above the 12th position and stretch it vertically and horizontally.
Play as violently as possible, winging the whammy bar a bit and then, re-allign the fine tuning screws so that they would be somewhere mid course and re-tune the axe from the tuning pegs. Lock the tuner up and then re-tune with the fine tuning screws - that should be well enough At least, that's what worked for me