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Victor Simion
post Jan 6 2019, 07:55 PM
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Hello all,

Can you help me fix my timing issues?

My issue is that i cannot play on time.
For example let's say that I have to play the lead guitar but I am not sure where I should fit every note. I don't have any let's say hints where each note should be played even if I play on a backing track. It's much easier if I play on a backing track plus the lead guitar.
So how would I fix this?

Thank you.

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post Jan 6 2019, 08:31 PM
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Hello Victor,

The best thing you can do, imho, is to record yourself playing against a backing and let the people here listen to it, it's going to be hard for them to even suggest a lesson without hearing something.

If you can't or don't want to post a recording, search out some timing lessons in the lessons section. Here are a couple

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Slow-Tempo-Control/

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...ming-exercises/

Looking forward to watching you develop wink.gif


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post Jan 16 2019, 07:25 PM
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Thank you:

Here it's a recording of me playing: Malmsteen Made Easy by Ben

It's easier to record at high quality only audio, so sorry it's not a video, and also sorry that it's .wav and not .mp3

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post Jan 16 2019, 08:13 PM
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Is there any way you can record video? Even on your phone would be good, you can upload to YouTube if you setup a free account.

There can be many things causing timing issues and a video will really help the instructors, it could be something like tension, that's the kind of thing that will show in a video.

The good thing is that you noticed the issue yourself.

Have a look at this, it should help.

https://youtu.be/nurMXLoR4oI


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post Jan 17 2019, 02:32 AM
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If at all possible, use your cell phone, web cam, anything you can get your hands on to record a video so that you can upload it to youtube. That way we can all see and hear what your playing and be able to give you feedback. Also, that way nobody has to download a huge wave file, and we can clearly see which bits your playing since it will be in the video. Without that, it's very hard to diagnose any issues in your playing. I"ll grab the wave file and see if I can help smile.gif

As for timing issues, in general, it's important to be able to "Count Time". It's a simple 1,2,3,4, and repeat. This is basic 4/4 time. Once you are able to keep time, follow a beat, you are ready to put notes in. You can choose to put your notes on the 1 and 3 or 2 and 4, each sound a bit different. Also you can blend these two options as you get more comfy with it. Listen to songs you like and try to just tap your foot to the beat. Try to hear a solo in your head. Then try to match that with your fingers.

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QUOTE (Victor Simion @ Jan 16 2019, 02:25 PM) *
Thank you:

Here it's a recording of me playing: Malmsteen Made Easy by Ben

It's easier to record at high quality only audio, so sorry it's not a video, and also sorry that it's .wav and not .mp3


I listened to your solo and I liked it! Well done!! The timing is just a bit loose. It sounds like you could use a bit of practice with a metronome to be honest just to get familiar with playing on beat and playing of beat. Playing with the beat creates a sense of musical order playing against the beat (on the of beat) creates a sense of musical tension and groove. Generally speaking of course. I'd suggest joining my SHRED BOOTCAMP as we work a lot with timing.
Just shoot me a personal message if you wanna give it a try!

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QUOTE (Victor Simion @ Jan 16 2019, 02:25 PM) *
Thank you:

Here it's a recording of me playing: Malmsteen Made Easy by Ben

It's easier to record at high quality only audio, so sorry it's not a video, and also sorry that it's .wav and not .mp3
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post Jan 17 2019, 05:12 PM
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Thank you Todd and Phil,

I will consider recording a video.

I recorded Malmsteen made Easy which is easier for me to keep the timing(although I know it's far from perfect)

For example it's much harder for me to play Winter Tune (the first one).
In Winter Tune it's very hard for me to figure the lead guitar when I play alone on the backing track, it's easier when I play along with the instructor.

In general for me it's hard to play on a backing track, and I think that is because of the following things:

- I always played lead guitar in guitar pro without muting the lead guitar, so if I messed up the timing I could always fix it.
- I always played lead guitar or solos on songs that are not backing tracks
- And very rarely I played in a band or with people.

Should it be a better thing for me to do Winter Tune, even if I mess the song much more then other songs?
At least I go straight to the issues.
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post Jan 17 2019, 05:24 PM
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Hello Victor,

Playing in time can be tricky and I used to be the same as you, in fact I still am, I find it easier to play along with the instructor, that's because hearing the instructor keeps you in check, it prompts you if you lag behind or play ahead.

How I solve this when recording a lesson for the REC zone or just for myself is, I download the video and convert it to MP3 (google "download helper").

I learn the piece by playing along with the GP5 file first, to get it into my fingers using slow speed at first.

When up to speed I play along with the lesson MP3 until I think I have it. I then put the backing track into my DAW (I use Reaper) and match the beats with the lesson MP3. I then mute the lesson MP3 and record myself playing along with the backing, When I've finished I un-mute the lesson MP3 (with instructor) and play my guitar recorded track along with the lesson, I usually pan my track hard left or right as it makes it easier to listen. This is where you can hear your timing errors. You can then try again and work on those areas.

It sounds a lot more complicated than it is and I'm sure you'll manage it if you give it a go wink.gif

I hope this helps.

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post Jan 17 2019, 09:18 PM
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It's important that you just spend part of your daily practice working on your timing issues. Using a metronome, playing to a backing and focusing on the beat, etc. Also important to start recording videos of yourself as you progress so that we can give you feedback and you can track your progress.
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QUOTE (Victor Simion @ Jan 17 2019, 12:12 PM) *
Thank you Todd and Phil,

I will consider recording a video.

I recorded Malmsteen made Easy which is easier for me to keep the timing(although I know it's far from perfect)

For example it's much harder for me to play Winter Tune (the first one).
In Winter Tune it's very hard for me to figure the lead guitar when I play alone on the backing track, it's easier when I play along with the instructor.

In general for me it's hard to play on a backing track, and I think that is because of the following things:

- I always played lead guitar in guitar pro without muting the lead guitar, so if I messed up the timing I could always fix it.
- I always played lead guitar or solos on songs that are not backing tracks
- And very rarely I played in a band or with people.

Should it be a better thing for me to do Winter Tune, even if I mess the song much more then other songs?
At least I go straight to the issues.
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Victor Simion
post Jan 19 2019, 06:14 PM
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Hi,

This is me playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWnnw0FoftM...eature=youtu.be

Maybe I will put it in the record section but for now here it is.
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post Jan 19 2019, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (Victor Simion @ Jan 19 2019, 05:14 PM) *
Hi,

This is me playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWnnw0FoftM...eature=youtu.be

Maybe I will put it in the record section but for now here it is.


Hi Victor,

It's great that you posted a video because it's very easy for us to help you. I can see clearly the issues which cause the timing failure.

First of all you make a mess in picking direction. Everytime when you study a lesson, be very careful and use the same picking direction as the instructor. Every pick it's thought wisely and if you will follow the correct picking direction, you will feel a huge improvement in your playing and timing.
Also keep in mind that the way of picking influence also the sound.


The second issue which make you to lose the timing is your left hand. Be careful in lessons at the fingering. Try to play using the same fingers as the instructor.
Also you move your left hand too much. Try to minimize your left hand movements and you will see that things will change in a very good way wink.gif

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post Mar 15 2019, 10:51 AM
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Great topic and answers here! I recorded a video response to try to help you out:



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post Mar 16 2019, 06:05 AM
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Great responses from Monica and another killer vid from Kris! A great point about trying to use the same picking/fretting as the instructor in the vid/lesson. Part of timing on any one of these is about breaking a long piece down in to small chunks and playing with a click/metronome so you can see if you are drifting. You can take as many passes as you want with the REC vids, so I'd say put one up if you think it's close and the feedback you get can help you get closer.

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Great topic and answers here! I recorded a video response to try to help you out:

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