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Victor Simion
Jun 14 2021, 07:49 PM
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Ok, so how should I start?

Should I try to compose something similar using the concepts from the lessons?

What steps should I use?

For example

1. Choose a scale
2. Create a chord progression that scale
3. Add melody tot that chord progression
4. Harmonize the melody.

Then we can go back and work to the songs I composed?
The songs that I composed the approach is a little different, I mean first I create a melody then I need to come with the rest of the instruments. Do you think it's harder like that?

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At first, I recommend to do the opposite in order to start training your ear and get used to the most common used combinations in the music that you like.

Before making music, let's analyze what's happening in the music that you like.

You can start doing this:

- Choose 3 GMC lessons in the style that you'd like to compose a mini-tune.
- Write down (and here) the chord progressions, scale used, and any other thing that you find interesting.

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I think I will go with these 3 lessons:
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/neocla...loforbeginners/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Petrucci-Made-Easy/

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Hand-Synch/

For all the lessons the Chords are written except for Hand Synch.

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That's a very cool selection. So, the next step is to write down the chord progressions adding the numeral numbers as explained in the songwriting course.

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I will start with Neoclassical Solo for Beginners:
The Scale I identified is : B minor.
I identified the Chords in this scale.

I also wrote a few power chords from the song:
I can see that we have: i-iv-VII Chord Progression

This is what I have so far, I stopped there since, I am not sure how to continue, it looks like the scale will change.

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Great! Have you learnt the lesson "fix your boring chord progressions" from the course?

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No, but I will take a look right now.

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Good! It is essential to learn the whole course. The topics covered there are basics that every composer should master.

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Hi,

One of the latest Helloween songs Skyfall, I made a little cover with 3 guitars.
I see that the 2 guitars that are played the main melody are applying the same idea from the lesson "How To Harmonize A Melody".

Based on what I learned from Building Chord Progressions and How to Harmonize A Melody, I tried to put them to practice.

1. Build a Chord Progression in G Major
2. I came with a melody over the chord progression
3. Harmonized the melody.

Bonus:
Added drums using Guitar Pro, panned lead guitars left and right added EQ, I played a little with Reaper's settings.

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Excellent job mate!! Great to see you applying the concepts! I think that you could continue that G major idea. What do you think?

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Yes, I think I can continue the G Major Idea, then we can go back to the other questions I had, cause there is a lot to cover, in terms of composing and guitar technique.

But my question is, how can I compose further, are there any rules for changing the scale? I don't want to be stuck the whole song in the same scale.

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Most of the greatest songs are based on 1 tonality. You can do a lot using only one scale so my recommendation is that you focus on trying to compose songs using one scale.

However, one thing that can help you is to know the existence of relative scales. Every major scale has a relative minor which is 3 semitones lower. In other words., the relative of G major is E minor, the relative of C major is A minor. Both scales have the same notes and chords, but when modulating a song from the major to the minor relative, the root chord changes, and that gives the song a different feel.

In the case of 'Skyfall' by Helloween, the intro is in G major, and then, the riff and verse modulates to E minor.

By knowing this, and getting into all the concepts covered in the songwriting basics course, you can understand and then compose lots of songs.

But always, start simple, work with a few elements. Composing is like learning a technique, you need to start slow, and practice.



PS: As the song Skyfall continues, it has many other modulations and more advanced techniques but in order to learn them, you need to be able to master the basics.

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Yes, I can try to continue composing my song:

I have the Intro (which also can be the Chorus) which is in G Major.

After that I can compose in E minor, a verse part.
But it doesn't sound so interesting it sounds like playing "0000000000000" and "33333333333" etc. in sixteens, progression. I am not so happy with the result, like I was with the intro.

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Hi Victor!

As you are working on minor for the verse, you should get into the "building minor chord progressions" from the course. There you can get some ideas to start.

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Hi,

Here is more of my composition.
Let me know what you think, (what is good what is not so good).
What genre of metal do you think it is?

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Thank you for video.

Yes, I like the intro, and how the verse part came out.
In the beginning I wasn't too happy with the verse, it was only a simple chord progression.
Than I took a day off from composing, got back to some hand synch exercises, and then went back to verse part and I added a simple melody, that I like.

I am also not that happy with the bridge part, I will rewrite that part using the advice from "Fix your boring chord progressions".

Also I think you are right about changing the drums too much, but I don't have too much experience working with drums, I only copy and pasted a pattern of drums.

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