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Andrew Cockburn
Aug 14 2007, 07:49 AM
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Hi All,

Some of you will probably have seen my posts pestering MickeM and Tonymirro endlessly about the finer points of Amplifier knowledge and terminology. Yes, I am on a quest for tube tone - I have been convinced that there is more than Line 6 and I am setting out to find it.

I was pondering Carvin and Bogner, Marshall and Vox when I saw this post on the forum - AdamB put up a picture of a tube Amp he had made ... then it hit me, why couldn't I do the same? (Thanks for the inspiration Adam, and your Amp looks incredibly cool!).

So with that goal in mind, I am going to build an amp, maybe several, until I get the sound I want. I have a lot of experience in electronics (built all sorts of gadgets as a kid) but I have absolutely no experience with tubes and tube circuits, althouthg I do understand the physics of them.

Research

I have been looking around the net and have found a lot of websites that sell kits, but I wanted a bit more than that - I wanted to understand how it all worked and maybe tweak things a little to get the sound I have in my head. Adam pointed me to 18watt.com - they have a number of projects on the go, their first design was an 18 watt arshall like tube amp. I had a look around but found the website a little hard to navigate, didn't really want a Marshall sound and was generally uninspired by it all. After some more searching, I happened upon http://AX84.com. A really cool website with a very active community. Over the last 10 years they have designed a prototype tube amp (the P1), along with many variants, and are now on a grander work of prividing a library of reference designs consisting of Pre and Power amps you can mix and match. I liked the site and decided to build one of their simple designs - the simplest have just a couple of tubes and a few tens of components, but building a tube circuit can be tricky and I wanted an easy place to start.

The Amp For Me

Part of what I wanted was to explore the different sounds out there. I have zero tube amp experience. None, NADA. I don't know Marshall Brown from HiGain from Vintage from a Vox - so this is a huge learning curve for me. I have had some good advice from Mike and Tony and know that:

1) Tube Amps are loud
2) they have to be played fairly hard to get all of the tube benefits.

A 35 watt amp with an efficient speaker at 10 feet can rival a jet plane landing for decibels, so something that you can play high enough to get the right sound yet record and practice with needs to be pretty small indeed. The AX84 P1 is a 5 watt design based on a 12ax7 double triode for the preamp and an EL84 for the power amp stage. I loooked at it initially, but although it was simple, it was basically a crunch type of amp, and I am looking for something higher gain, although not monstrously high.

The P1 has a couple of variants, the Extreme, and the High Octane. High Octane is a more complex build but has an EL34 or 6V6 power tube, a 3 stage preamp with cathode follower which makes it a high gain amp. The Extreme still only has 2 preamp stages like the P1 but does benefit from an EL34 or 6V6 power tube. This was appealing as I like the voicing of an EL34 based amp but would also like to experiment with 6V6 - normally hard to do as to exchange tubes you need to re-bias which needs knowledge of the workings of the circuits. The Extreme also keeps the simplicity of the P1, but can be upgraded to be more like the Hi Octane if I need more gain.

So, my choice was made, and I ordered the parts this weekend. I got a kit and a pre-drilled chassis, since my metalwork is dire. I also upgraded to a better output transformer and a variable bias option so I can easily swap power tubes. It has cost me around $300 so far, and counting ...

The Speaker

What little research I did on the internet seemed to point to the Celestion Alnico Blue speaker being the holy grail - they were used extensively in Vox amps for a while where they gained their reputation. Not cheap at $250 a pop, but I am doing this to get tone, not necessarily to save money so it seemed worth it.

Other Bits and Pieces

I'll need something to put all of this in, and I am looking into building a combo cabinet - unfortunately my woodworking skills also totally suck, but maybe this is a chance to learn some other stuff and do it right, I'll think about that some more. I could get a nice tweed style combo cab ready made for about $300 - could probably build it for 75 - 100. Still thinking about this.

Some Links

AX84.com

Schematics for the P1 Extreme

A couple of soundclips, here and here (next sound clips will be from the one I built!)

That's the end of my first update - if there is interest I'll keep the story running smile.gif

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- Andrew Cockburn   My Amp Building Journey   Aug 14 2007, 07:49 AM
- - shredmandan   Looks like that would be a fun experiment to do An...   Aug 14 2007, 08:26 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (shredmandan @ Aug 14 2007, 03:26 A...   Aug 14 2007, 08:55 AM
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- - tonymiro   Well I don't regard it as pestering Andrew - ...   Aug 14 2007, 08:52 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (tonymiro @ Aug 14 2007, 03:52 AM) ...   Aug 14 2007, 09:08 AM
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- - The Uncreator   Great, maybe ill build my own amp someday to Can...   Aug 14 2007, 09:00 AM
- - shredmandan   I agree with what some of you have said above.Ther...   Aug 14 2007, 09:29 AM
- - JVM   Very interested andrew, I'm still going to be ...   Aug 14 2007, 10:33 AM
|- - buttmonk   QUOTE (JVM @ Aug 14 2007, 12:33 PM) Very ...   Sep 11 2007, 01:55 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (buttmonk @ Sep 10 2007, 08:55 PM) ...   Sep 11 2007, 02:41 AM
|- - buttmonk   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 11 2007, 04...   Sep 11 2007, 03:16 AM
|- - JVM   QUOTE (buttmonk @ Sep 10 2007, 02:16 PM) ...   Sep 11 2007, 04:07 AM
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- - MickeM   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 14 2007, 08...   Aug 14 2007, 04:33 PM
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- - Smikey2006   Ahh id love to do this I've always wanted to ...   Aug 14 2007, 10:43 PM
|- - JVM   QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Aug 14 2007, 03:43 PM...   Aug 16 2007, 12:59 PM
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- - Hardtail   Andrew, sounds like your going to have a lot of fu...   Aug 16 2007, 12:53 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Great advice Hardtail - thanks, this is all fascin...   Aug 16 2007, 08:32 PM
|- - muris   I'm not gonna waste your time here guys cause ...   Aug 16 2007, 09:18 PM
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- - Andrew Cockburn   Update : Well my speaker has arrived - looks like...   Aug 18 2007, 01:41 AM
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- - MickeM   The speaker looks voxy and that cabinet is Fender ...   Aug 18 2007, 01:54 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (MickeM @ Aug 17 2007, 08:54 PM) Th...   Aug 18 2007, 02:01 AM
|- - MickeM   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 18 2007, 03...   Aug 18 2007, 02:13 AM
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- - tonymiro   Reverse engineer for the win Or if you are re...   Aug 18 2007, 02:06 AM
- - JVM   Yes! The site I use for gathering all the info...   Aug 18 2007, 12:14 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (JVM @ Aug 18 2007, 07:14 AM) Yes...   Aug 18 2007, 09:09 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Since I last posted I have postively rule...   Aug 27 2007, 09:17 AM
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- - tonymiro   Out of curiosity Andrew are you going to incorpora...   Aug 27 2007, 09:31 AM
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- - tonymiro   Separate for the win . Only minor downside is it...   Aug 27 2007, 10:03 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (tonymiro @ Aug 27 2007, 05:03 AM) ...   Aug 27 2007, 10:11 AM
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- - tonymiro   I've got a hot plate Andrew it does pretty muc...   Aug 27 2007, 10:15 AM
- - Nick334   Good luck Andrew (I think you'll need it).   Aug 27 2007, 11:03 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Nick334 @ Aug 27 2007, 06:03 PM) G...   Aug 27 2007, 11:06 PM
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- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Well after a busy week and a trip up to M...   Sep 4 2007, 03:15 AM
- - mattacuk   Im very impressed andrew!! Im sure the fin...   Sep 4 2007, 03:29 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Yeah, I think I'll do that too Building is a ...   Sep 4 2007, 03:32 AM
|- - mattacuk   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 4 2007, 03:3...   Sep 4 2007, 04:24 AM
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- - benhowell   Love the look of the chassis Andrew. May i be che...   Sep 4 2007, 03:59 AM
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- - tonymiro   Though if I was building it I'd have to factor...   Sep 4 2007, 07:02 AM
- - Pavel   Wow Andrew! Great start! I think i would n...   Sep 4 2007, 07:07 AM
- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Cool - my PTFE coated wire arrived early ...   Sep 5 2007, 08:57 AM
- - JVM   Woo, gettin' expensive Good progress though m...   Sep 5 2007, 09:33 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 5 2007, 04:33 AM) Woo, g...   Sep 5 2007, 09:38 AM
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- - tonymiro   And as you've said you'll come away with a...   Sep 5 2007, 06:36 PM
- - MickeM   Wow, this is looking all great! Your desk lo...   Sep 5 2007, 06:47 PM
- - benhowell   Thanks for the answer Andrew-Its actually alot che...   Sep 5 2007, 06:59 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (benhowell @ Sep 5 2007, 01:59 PM) ...   Sep 5 2007, 08:42 PM
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- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Having thought about it a little more, I...   Sep 5 2007, 11:00 PM
- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Sep 6th, 2007 Today I ordered a drill pr...   Sep 9 2007, 11:47 AM
|- - muris   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 9 2007, 12:4...   Sep 10 2007, 08:32 AM
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- - Smikey2006   Looks like its really coming together.. have you t...   Sep 9 2007, 11:17 PM
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- - mattacuk   Im impressed with your efforts Andrew. Had that be...   Sep 10 2007, 12:30 AM
- - muntahunta   your a braver man than i. ive always wanted to mak...   Sep 10 2007, 12:48 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Thanks guys I'll be posting clips as soon as ...   Sep 10 2007, 02:41 AM
|- - MickeM   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 10 2007, 03...   Sep 10 2007, 05:44 AM
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- - tonymiro   Looks like it's coming on really well Andrew. ...   Sep 10 2007, 05:35 AM
- - tonymiro   +1 for the chicken heads - more in keeping wih the...   Sep 10 2007, 07:49 AM
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- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 10 2007, 02...   Sep 11 2007, 03:55 AM
- - benhowell   Hows the amp going Andrew? any progress lately? -...   Sep 19 2007, 01:48 AM
|- - Pavel   QUOTE (benhowell @ Sep 19 2007, 02:48 AM)...   Sep 19 2007, 04:51 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 18 2007, 11:51 PM) I t...   Sep 19 2007, 06:14 PM
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- - benhowell   Ha ha i see. Hope your enjoying the UK's love...   Sep 19 2007, 06:57 PM
- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 19 2007, 11...   Sep 19 2007, 07:56 PM
- - JVM   ..you didn't leave the Jem at home did you?   Sep 19 2007, 08:17 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 19 2007, 03:17 PM) ..you...   Sep 19 2007, 11:47 PM
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- - Andrew Cockburn   Update : Ok, back from my vacation. While I was a...   Sep 24 2007, 09:36 PM
|- - muris   Nice cab Andrew,can't wait to see more!...   Sep 24 2007, 09:55 PM
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- - tonymiro   QUOTE (muris @ Sep 24 2007, 02:55 PM) Nic...   Sep 24 2007, 10:14 PM
- - Pavel   Great progress Andrew! And of course, no pi...   Sep 24 2007, 10:20 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 24 2007, 05:20 PM) Gre...   Sep 24 2007, 10:51 PM
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- - benhowell   That cab looks really good Andrew-looks like an ol...   Sep 24 2007, 11:08 PM
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- - JVM   Your cab (besides being in tweed) looks about the ...   Sep 24 2007, 11:11 PM
- - mattacuk   I love the tweed look cab - and yes its very much ...   Sep 25 2007, 12:44 AM
- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: Busy few days ... Steve Vai was awesome a...   Oct 7 2007, 05:41 AM
- - tonymiro   Looking good Andrew, presumably the wood also help...   Oct 7 2007, 11:25 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (tonymiro @ Oct 7 2007, 06:25 PM) L...   Oct 8 2007, 12:44 AM
|- - Francis Viviers   Hi Andrew Are you planning to build Reverb Into t...   Oct 15 2007, 04:25 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   No plans for reverb in this one - addition of reve...   Oct 15 2007, 07:55 PM
|- - Francis Viviers   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 15 2007, 08...   Oct 15 2007, 08:25 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   If you already have an effects loop, yes, this is ...   Oct 15 2007, 08:59 PM
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- - Andrew Cockburn   Update: This afternoon I completed the turret boa...   Oct 22 2007, 04:27 AM
- - Andrew Cockburn   For those of you that are interested in my continu...   Oct 28 2007, 12:36 AM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Check the blog for my latest update!   Jan 2 2008, 07:06 PM
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- - benhowell   The amp looks SWEET Andrew! Congratulations...   Jan 2 2008, 07:10 PM
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- - benhowell   Sounds great Andrew, cant wait to hear it. Perhaps...   Jan 2 2008, 08:55 PM
- - Milenkovic Ivan   Hey Andrew, I would really like to see that amp, b...   Jan 2 2008, 11:23 PM
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