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GMC Forum _ PRACTICE ROOM _ John Pizzarelli - I Got Rhythm

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte May 14 2009, 11:08 PM

Here is an amazing guitar player that some of you might know



But I wanted to post this because I recently found these videos that are really cool.






I hope you enjoy!

Posted by: ItsMe May 14 2009, 11:10 PM

thats great

Unisono lines are just awesome

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte May 14 2009, 11:34 PM

Oh, yeah. Hahaha he sings he solo as well, it's amazing.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic May 15 2009, 12:09 AM

Supreme chord chops! smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot May 15 2009, 12:12 AM

Awesome man smile.gif I would watch stuff like this all day long.

Posted by: skennington May 15 2009, 01:39 AM

Rhythm Placement (5) laugh.gif He definitely has it, nice of you to share this Ramiro. smile.gif

Posted by: Santiago Diaz Garces May 15 2009, 02:02 AM

Sometimes, having a nice rhythmic line in a solo is better than just play 21309824509843095835 notes per second. And this is a very good example of that. Great video!!. Thanks to share. Do you know Bireli Lagrene?. He owns the rhythm too

Posted by: AlexLion May 15 2009, 07:49 AM

QUOTE (Ramiro Delforte @ May 15 2009, 01:34 AM) *
Oh, yeah. Hahaha he sings he solo as well, it's amazing.

Unbelievable! At first I didn`t understand what happening there, but then ohmy.gif

Posted by: Jakub Luptovec May 15 2009, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (skennington @ May 15 2009, 02:39 AM) *
Rhythm Placement (5) laugh.gif He definitely has it, nice of you to share this Ramiro. smile.gif

biggrin.gif:D

Sound (5) Sounds just like the original! biggrin.gif

Is this something like jazz shred? It seems hillariously difficult to me

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 02:16 PM

I didn't like it too much to be honest with you guys.
This is standard rhythm changes chord progression and John wasn't really describing changes but rather riffing trough the solo. The best part of the whole solo was chord stabs, for me at least...

Posted by: Emir Hot May 15 2009, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 15 2009, 02:16 PM) *
I didn't like it too much to be honest with you guys.
This is standard rhythm changes chord progression and John wasn't really describing changes but rather riffing trough the solo. The best part of the whole solo was chord stabs, for me at least...


Are you talking about lessons? That's some other guy showing his song. I saw John Pizzarelli with Tommy Emmanuel and some other people. The guy is a guitar beast but I do agree that these changes were not that much complicated. I think they still sound good and looks like a hard task to do this type of groove without any mistake or a wrong note.

Check this one out smile.gif I was really impressed





Posted by: Lian Gerbino May 15 2009, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (skennington @ May 14 2009, 09:39 PM) *
Rhythm Placement (5) laugh.gif He definitely has it, nice of you to share this Ramiro. smile.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

*Emir: last video is amazing! if he´s not a freak I know nothing about them!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 15 2009, 03:42 PM) *
Are you talking about lessons? That's some other guy showing his song. I saw John Pizzarelli with Tommy Emmanuel and some other people. The guy is a guitar beast but I do agree that these changes were not that much complicated. I think they still sound good and looks like a hard task to do this type of groove without any mistake or a wrong note.

Check this one out smile.gif I was really impressed




I was referring to original video he was playing in. This chord progression defines Jazz from Blues music. Its I VI II V with modulation to IV chord then IV minor back to turnaround into the I. B section has series of dominant 7th chords (extended dominant 7th patterns) and finally they bring it back to I. AABA form , rhythm changes. Every jazz musician plays this.

What I didn't like in the whole solo was there were rarely any guide tones in his soloing. Harmony is beautiful for rhythm changes and he was playing it like he was doing blues soloing. That could work for a chorus but not more in my opinion. Thats why I didn't like it.


2nd video is OK, I liked piano players jazz lines way more by the way!!!

I will post some video pretty soon for you guys...







This is something that perfectly describes what I was saying above!!!


Double time, riffing, guide tone soloing, jazz lines, chromatic approach, diatonic approach, linear playing...

Just awesome !!!



Here is another one !
Sony Stitt solo played by guitar player. Again Rhythm Changes and again awesome soloing.






One more OLEO rhythm changes.



Posted by: Emir Hot May 15 2009, 03:58 PM

I know man what you're saying smile.gif But this music is not for musicians and analisys. It's quite commercial type of jazz and swingy feel. This is for us to enjoy, for people that like cool music. That's how I see it at least. I didn't care if he went back to the root through extended and altered chords or through normal triads smile.gif I was just saying that I liked the music.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 04:03 PM

I know what you mean but my trained ear can't enjoy riffing blues type soloing over rhythm changes for couple of minutes. I want to hear alterations and cool approach patterns, thats what gets me going at least wink.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot May 15 2009, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 15 2009, 04:03 PM) *
I know what you mean but my trained ear can't enjoy riffing blues type soloing over rhythm changes for couple of minutes. I want to hear alterations and cool approach patterns, thats what gets me going at least wink.gif


hahaha smile.gif This is what Berklee did to you smile.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 15 2009, 05:06 PM) *
hahaha smile.gif This is what Berklee did to you smile.gif


I guess you are right man !
How am I supposed to tell somebody that plays blues stuff over rhythm changes that they are doing great? Thats just impossible man smile.gif


Posted by: lcsdds May 15 2009, 04:13 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 15 2009, 04:09 PM) *
I guess you are right man !
How am I supposed to tell somebody that plays blues stuff over rhythm changes that they are doing great? Thats just impossible man smile.gif

I think in many ways that being a guitar player keeps us from enjoying music like we should. I am always analyzing the players chops, or the chord changes etc. We need to remember that most music is meant for people who know NOTHING about music other than they like it or they don't. How else could Britney Spears sell TONS of records yet most people don't know who Steve Vai, Joe Satriani or a host of other musical geniuses are. smile.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 15 2009, 05:13 PM) *
I think in many ways that being a guitar player keeps us from enjoying music like we should. I am always analyzing the players chops, or the chord changes etc. We need to remember that most music is meant for people who know NOTHING about music other than they like it or they don't. How else could Britney Spears sell TONS of records yet most people don't know who Steve Vai, Joe Satriani or a host of other musical geniuses are. smile.gif


Its not only for guitar players, its for all musicians that develop their ear. You simply start to enjoy more things in music not just ones that are on surface. Music like Britney Spears makes is for billions of people with predesignated formula. Most of the songs are same, have same arranging tricks, catchy chorus , very diatonic and repetitive etc
That doesn't hold my attention, I need to hear Coltrane Parker Brecker and these other guys take me to Jazz land smile.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot May 15 2009, 04:21 PM

I can enjoy anything that has quality. I can't say that John Pizzarelli is not a good player. I like his playing because it does catch my attention and I guess that's because he is good. Of course there are better ones but saying that he is not good because his solo was bluesy over some good jazz progression is not my oppinion. Bluesy solo over jazz chords can be quite attractive as well.

Posted by: lcsdds May 15 2009, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 15 2009, 04:17 PM) *
Its not only for guitar players, its for all musicians that develop their ear. You simply start to enjoy more things in music not just ones that are on surface. Music like Britney Spears makes is for billions of people with predesignated formula. Most of the songs are same, have same arranging tricks, catchy chorus , very diatonic and repetitive etc
That doesn't hold my attention, I need to hear Coltrane Parker Brecker and these other guys take me to Jazz land smile.gif

Totally agree Pedja......You like fine wine and champagne. Most people like cheap beer and soda pop.....or just don't know any better. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 15 2009, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 15 2009, 05:21 PM) *
I can enjoy anything that has quality. I can't say that John Pizzarelli is not a good player. I like his playing because it does catch my attention and I guess that's because he is good. Of course there are better ones but saying that he is not good because his solo was bluesy over some good jazz progression is not my oppinion. Bluesy solo over jazz chords can be quite attractive as well.


There is different categories of good.
He is not Birelli Lagrene good nor Pat Martino good , not to mention Pat Metheny, John Scofield Mike Stern good...

So this is what I was talking about in the first place.
Its just different categories for different type of ear.
I can also listen to blues riffing over jazz but not all the way trough the solo. That shows weakness and I loose interest in that kind of soloing. Its very restricted, boring and predictable in my opinion.
I believe that every jazz musician will tell you that this kind of soloing (using one scale over non diatonic set of chord changes) is jiving.

But I want go into your taste Emir. It is perfectly okay to like one sort of music over the other. I am just trying to tell you that this sort of playing is faking for me, and real thing is something much richer that pleases my ears.

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 15 2009, 05:22 PM) *
Totally agree Pedja......You like fine wine and champagne. Most people like cheap beer and soda pop.....or just don't know any better. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Actually I don't drink wine nor champagne but I definitely get your analogy laugh.gif

Posted by: Ramiro Delforte May 15 2009, 08:32 PM

Wow, quite a discussion!

I agree with Emir in this opportunity, I think theory or anything that you know is not important when you listen to music. If it's like that someone would have to listen to one player that's the best and that's all.
Also when I listen to Pizzarelli I love to hear those catchy solos that he plays and sings because it's not about making things complex (I bet he can though) but just making some groovy melody. If I didn't think that I may loose perspective on what to hear. I think that kind of thoughts leads to say that The Beatles were dumb in comparison with some songs of the present and of course that's not even close to the truth. What I want to say that complexity don't bring us close to the beauty, sometimes is just the opposite. And I think that's very important to take care because I've listened to many people that claim that complex music is better just for the sake of being complex, I bet is not what Pedja said but I wanted to bring this to the conversation.

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 16 2009, 12:03 AM

I pretty much enjoyed everything posted here.
Those are pretty much different approaches
plus it's kind a pointless to judge
someone's playing on just one or few clips, even dozen, doesn't matter.
All those guys are well shaped musicians and not some instant pop stars,
who are we to judge them after all. wink.gif

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 16 2009, 12:58 AM

I didn't mean to cause any WOW responses but just stating my opinion on given matter.
Trying to explain what my ear likes and prefers. I am not judging any of these players just saying what my ear appreciates more and why.

Posted by: Vasilije Vukmirovic May 16 2009, 01:25 AM

I like this guy!

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 16 2009, 01:26 AM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 16 2009, 01:58 AM) *
I didn't mean to cause any WOW responses but just stating my opinion on given matter.
Trying to explain what my ear likes and prefers. I am not judging any of these players just saying what my ear appreciates more and why.


So what about B.B.King? sad.gif ......... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot May 16 2009, 01:49 AM

uh getting hot here smile.gif

Posted by: sigma7 May 16 2009, 02:02 AM

i like it, its catchy, getting it on rhapsody .... now

Posted by: skennington May 16 2009, 02:06 AM

Awesome discussion guys! smile.gif It's great to read your "individual" thought's and taste's. Like true professional's, you keep it real and civil. biggrin.gif ...Please, continue on.. cool.gif

Posted by: Alexiaden93 May 16 2009, 12:01 PM

Wow, this guy is amazing ! Very Broadway-sounding song ! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Muris Varajic May 16 2009, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 16 2009, 02:49 AM) *
uh getting hot here smile.gif


Perhaps because of you bro? laugh.gif

Posted by: Emir Hot May 16 2009, 12:40 PM

QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 16 2009, 12:33 PM) *
Perhaps because of you bro? laugh.gif


smile.gif

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic May 16 2009, 07:04 PM

I liked clips posted...Never saw them before! smile.gif

Posted by: Jose Lassaga May 16 2009, 07:47 PM

Easy guys. There are no wrong answers in this subject. Just need to relax and enjoy this fantastic guitarist and one of his many techniques. And learn from him. We should enjoy the different styles that each guitarist offer us. They are all great!!! smile.gif

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