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Posted by: eddiecat Nov 12 2007, 08:14 PM

Hi Muris! I'm back after some serious practicing to a metronome and fumbling around with Cubase.
After your mixolydian experience I went back to my 4 basic scales, timing, AP etc.etc.
Now I would like to make a little request: would it be possible to have a beginner lesson still in those scales but with some more basic techniques like simple tapping, bendings, and whatever comes to your mind?
That would be very nice and it would "spice up" my practicing routine. smile.gif
As always, thank you very much for everything you're teaching me.
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: muris Nov 13 2007, 12:18 AM

If I got you right Eddie,you would like Mixolydian lesson
with many techniques mixed in beginner level,or it could be some other scale as well?

Posted by: eddiecat Nov 13 2007, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (muris @ Nov 13 2007, 12:18 AM) *
If I got you right Eddie,you would like Mixolydian lesson
with many techniques mixed in beginner level,or it could be some other scale as well?


Hi Muris!
The best for me would be in any of the 4 basic scales: Penta maj/minor or Ionian/Aeolian.
I did your Collaboration in A using Mixolydian, but it was just an attempt.
It's too soon to get confused, right? smile.gif
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: muris Nov 13 2007, 12:37 AM

Got it Eddie,will be. wink.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Nov 13 2007, 07:28 AM

QUOTE (muris @ Nov 13 2007, 12:37 AM) *
Got it Eddie,will be. wink.gif


Thank you so much, Muris.
All the best, Eddie

Posted by: muris Nov 13 2007, 09:55 AM

You're welcome Eddie,pleasure is all mine smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 4 2007, 08:29 AM

Hello Muris!
Your B major techniques lesson is awesome!
I'm still practicing your Bb minor beginner lesson, because I want to nail it perfectly at 72 bpm.
As you heared on my recording it's far from being perfect, mad.gif
but I also started your B major lesson at 40 bpm. Man, it's tough!
One question: if I just practice the tapping part I naturally go for it with my index
but I see you do it with your middle finger, I guess not to have to put your pick down.
So should I force myself to do it with my middlefinger as well?
Is it the best thing to do ? Sorry, but I just want to make things right!
Thank you once again.
Don't know you, but I'm SOOO glad you're back! smile.gif
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: Muris Dec 4 2007, 11:19 PM

Thanks for warm welcome Eddie!!!! smile.gif


You said it well,it's only cause not to drop the pick,
or to have it ready if soon after that we have some nasty picking.
Use index if it feel more comfortable for you,no worries. smile.gif

Posted by: coffeeman Dec 4 2007, 11:28 PM

Hi there,

I want to thank Eddie for requesting this lesson, and Muris for making it(B major phrasing). I was practicing your Bb minor intermidiate but I was having a lot of trouble putting it together, and I thing this one will help me a lot to nail the Bb lesson. I already learnt the lesson now I have to play it at tempo, Im having a problems with that but i think is just a litle more of practice. As soon as I have it I¿ll post a video so you can tell me what Im doing right and doing wrong.

So thanks again, and welcome back Muris.

Bye.

Posted by: Muris Dec 4 2007, 11:31 PM

You're welcome,I'm glad to be of any help here!!!!! smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 4 2007, 11:54 PM

Wow, someone thanking me?!
You're welcome, Coffeeman!!! laugh.gif
Now it's your turn to ask Muris for a lesson!

Muris, I think I'll practice it with my middlefinger: "if Muris does it, Eddie does it!" smile.gif
I think it's best to start learning it that way now,
just to avoid having to learn it in the future.
I also have a second question concerning this lesson:
are there any advises you can give me on the fingering to use during sweeps?
Are there any "rules"?
Thank you.
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: coffeeman Dec 5 2007, 12:05 AM

QUOTE (eddiecat @ Dec 4 2007, 05:54 PM) *
Wow, someone thanking me?!
You're welcome, Coffeeman!!! laugh.gif
Now it's your turn to ask Muris for a lesson!

Muris, I think I'll practice it with my middlefinger: "if Muris does it, Eddie does it!" smile.gif
I think it's best to start learning it that way now,
just to avoid having to learn it in the future.
I also have a second question concerning this lesson:
are there any advises you can give me on the fingering to use during sweeps?
Are there any "rules"?
Thank you.
Cheers, Eddie


I have to nail a couple of lessons first but sure I have a list of lesson to ask to Muris. For the sweeps I recomend you practice this http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/sweep-picking-lesson/and this http://www2.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/sweeping-alternate-picking-lesson/index.htm, those have helped me a lot.

Now here goes my question for Muris, when I tap I make a lot of noise what do you recommend me to make a clean tapping?

Thanks.

Posted by: Muris Dec 5 2007, 12:36 AM

First recommendation is more practicing and slower tempo. smile.gif
Then try not to hit strings around while playing taps,must be precise and accurate.

Eddie,fingering is deferent as you change shape of arrpegio/chord.
Basicly just try to follow our guide in lessons and you won't be wrong. smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 5 2007, 11:53 AM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 5 2007, 12:36 AM) *
First recommendation is more practicing and slower tempo. smile.gif
Then try not to hit strings around while playing taps,must be precise and accurate.

Eddie,fingering is deferent as you change shape of arrpegio/chord.
Basicly just try to follow our guide in lessons and you won't be wrong. smile.gif



Coffeeman, I know that lesson but it's still to advanced!
These beginner lessons are great because there are only a few sweeps I can concentrate on.

For Muris: you're right. I'll just follow your example for sweeps also,
that's why I'm forcing myself to learn tapping with my middlefinger! smile.gif
Have a great day!
Eddie

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 7 2007, 06:20 PM

Hi Muris, I started your B major lesson at 40...
Man it's tough!!!
One question: while you tap, are you muting the strings with your right hand?
In other words, is your right hand resting on the strings?
I can't tell from the video, sorry.
Thank you very much.

Posted by: Muris Dec 7 2007, 06:45 PM

I guess I'm not resting it on strings,at least not on purpose.
But resting could be one way of stopping unwanted noise,
another one is left hand muting,try both.

Glad you like the lesson tho! smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 7 2007, 07:35 PM

Glad you like the lesson tho! smile.gif
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Maybe it's a bit too much for me,
but I don't like it, I LOVE it! smile.gif

PS: my right hand middle finger already starts to hurt a bit... huh.gif
"See" you soon, Eddie.

Posted by: Muris Dec 7 2007, 08:36 PM

My middle is all ripped of,trust me biggrin.gif

Keep up the good work as usual Eddie,result will be there wink.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 8 2007, 05:49 PM

Hi Muris, I finally manged to video myself!
I'm attaching this video just to have some feedback
about my fingering. Obviusly I didn't record it with your BT.
Timing etc. sucks, I know, but I just started learning your lesson,
so I hope that it will get better with time...
Please let me know what you think about my fingering.
I'll post the complete lesson as soon as I've nailed it.
As usual I'l make my own BT! smile.gif

Can't wait for your "one string scale" lesson!
Cheers, Eddie  Guitar.mov ( 2.27MB ) : 226

Posted by: Muris Dec 9 2007, 02:27 AM

Last few secs really putted grin on my face Eddie. smile.gif

Basicly fingering is fine,at least at slow speed.
Perhaps you could use pinky in first tapping section,
fingering would be 1,2 and 4 than tap,both on B and E string.
It's good to use pinky often,it's very weak finger and needs lots of practice. smile.gif

And than final part,those 3nps "runs".
Same thing,try to have index on every first note on the string and pinky on the last,
that way you only switch between middle and ring finger,depends of semi and whole tones relation.

Good work tho and keep it up,looking forward to whole lesson video!!! smile.gif

Take care

Muris

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 9 2007, 10:48 AM

Thank you Muris.
Ok then, I'll force myself to use the pinky more!
This video thing is very useful!
Glad it made you smile! smile.gif
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 12 2007, 02:46 PM

Just an update Muris:
I quit your B major lesson for a while to concentrate on my pinky as you suggested.
Man, it's quite hard to get that little friend working!!!
But I promise that as soon as I'm confident with it
and that I've nailed your lesson I'll post you the video (probably in lower tempo!)
for more fingering and picking advices! smile.gif
Again, a huge thank you for everything!
Back to practicing...
Eddie

Posted by: Muris Dec 12 2007, 02:50 PM

You're welcome Eddie,your efforts are much appreciated,
results will be there,no worries at all!! smile.gif

Posted by: Smells Dec 12 2007, 03:19 PM

Hi Eddie! (hope you dont mind me adding in here Muris)

A decent pinky exercise is the good old 1,2,3,4 exercise its very common, so apologies if you`ve seen it already, just trying to help wink.gif

|-------------------------------------------1-2-3-4-|
|-----------------------------------1-2-3-4---------|
|--------------------------1-2-3-4------------------|
|------------------1-2-3-4--------------------------|
|---------1-2-3-4-----------------------------------|
|-1-2-3-4-------------------------------------------|

Start off on the bottom E string first fret "F" then reverse

|-4-3-2-1-------------------------------------------|
|---------4-3-2-1-----------------------------------|
|-----------------4-3-2-1---------------------------|
|-------------------------4-3-2-1-------------------|
|---------------------------------4-3-2-1-----------|
|-----------------------------------------4-3-2-1---|

Continue this up the fret board at different starting positions

Also try variations of it

|-----------------------------------------4-3-2-1| or l-1-4-3-4-2-4-1------------------l
|---------------------------------1-2-3-4--------| and so on (sorry this is taking ages to type lol!)
|-------------------------4-3-2-1----------------|
|-----------------1-2-3-4------------------------|
|---------4-3-2-1--------------------------------|
|-1-2-3-4----------------------------------------|



Hope that helps a little m8

Posted by: tonymiro Dec 12 2007, 03:29 PM

+1 as Smells says. And to also add that it can help to vary the pattern so that pinky doesn't always precede or follow your 3rd finger ie:

--3 4 1 2----------------------------------------------------------------------
--4 2 3 1----------------------------------------------------------------------
--2 4 1 3----------------------------------------------------------------------
--4 2 3 1----------------------------------------------------------------------
--1 4 2 3----------------------------------------------------------------------
-1 2 3 4-----------------------------------------------------------------------


etc etc. As ever - with a metronome smile.gif .

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 12 2007, 06:17 PM

Sorry! I just took a break form my pinky exercises
and saw your two posts here.
Smells, I'm sure Muris won't mind,
any help is more than appreciated! smile.gif
Smells and Tony, thank you both for your posts, very helpful!
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: Muris Dec 13 2007, 12:22 AM

Of course I don't mind guys,
any help is more than appreciated!!

Ohh dear,how cool is this community smile.gif

Posted by: Smells Dec 13 2007, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 12 2007, 11:22 PM) *
Ohh dear,how cool is this community smile.gif



very cool m8 cool.gif very cool biggrin.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 16 2007, 02:28 PM

Hi Muris!
I'm really sorry... I did my best to improve and to nail your B major Techniques Lesson for Beginners.
But I have to give up. I'm just too limited, and that lesson is just TOO MUCH for me at the moment. mad.gif
I'll keep on practicing it along with AP, scales, metronome, theory etc. etc.
But I'm not up to it! I'm really sorry, but I just have to get back on the ground!
I'm doing scale runs with your suggestion in mind: first note index-last one pinky.
And I'm patiently waiting for your one string-scale lesson smile.gif
Thought I could tackle it, I'm sorry...
But since you called it "Intermediate" maybe you could do
a truely "Beginner" lesson with different techniques in 2008?
Cheers and thank you always, Eddie

Posted by: Muris Dec 16 2007, 03:00 PM

I see your point quite clear Eddie smile.gif

The deal is,I probably putted to much into that lesson
cause it's really hard to make straight line between levels,it really is...
Until I make another lesson of that kind you should try this one at slower tempo,
per example,advanced lesson at 120bpm might be intermediate at 80bpm
or even beginner at 50,of course material inside would still be on advance level
but you might be able to play it clearly at lower tempos.

To be honest with you once more,I made this B major in bit faster tempo,
then I slowed it down to make it more intermediate/beginner.

All your efforts are well appreciated,keep practicing,you're doing great job Eddie!! smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 16 2007, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 16 2007, 03:00 PM) *
I see your point quite clear Eddie smile.gif

The deal is,I probably putted to much into that lesson
cause it's really hard to make straight line between levels,it really is...
Until I make another lesson of that kind you should try this one at slower tempo,
per example,advanced lesson at 120bpm might be intermediate at 80bpm
or even beginner at 50,of course material inside would still be on advance level
but you might be able to play it clearly at lower tempos.

To be honest with you once more,I made this B major in bit faster tempo,
then I slowed it down to make it more intermediate/beginner.

All your efforts are well appreciated,keep practicing,you're doing great job Eddie!! smile.gif


NOOOO!!!!
It's not your fault, no way!
You always do a FANTASTIC job!!!
Muris, you're my hero!
Believe me, when I post things I always do it hoping to make you somehow proud!
(Even if I don't know you personnaly! smile.gif )
As you know, I started "playing" on the 7th of september,
the same date I joined GMC, so I really have to realise
that "You can't always get what you want" (reminds you a bit of the Rolling Stones? What a song!)
But I'll surely keep on practicing this one!
And thank you SOOO much!
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 16 2007, 09:47 PM

Damn it! You're right!
Why should I give up?
I've got so many things to learn, but why should I stop this?
I'll take it real slow, day after day,
make my BT and make it!
You are right! At least I'll make those 3nps runs with my pinky! mad.gif
Cheers, Eddie

Posted by: Muris Dec 16 2007, 11:56 PM

Way to go Eddie,way to go! biggrin.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 17 2007, 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 16 2007, 11:56 PM) *
Way to go Eddie,way to go! biggrin.gif


I'm going to post you my Christmas present very soon!
(My first song!) smile.gif
I hope you'll like it!
There's gonna be every lesson I learned in it,
even you "power chords" lesson!
And everything I learned from Tony too! Not to mention Andrew!!!
Cheers, Eddie!

Posted by: Muris Dec 17 2007, 12:22 AM

That's so kind Eddie,can't wait,thanks a lot!!!!

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 17 2007, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 17 2007, 12:22 AM) *
That's so kind Eddie,can't wait,thanks a lot!!!!


There you go Muris...
I feel a bit ashamed, but who cares?
Everything I know is in here, and I have to thank you all...
Hope you re going to like it...
Maybe it's not worth much,
but it is the result of joining you all...
So thank you all, and merry Christmas!
Thank you Muris, thank you GMC!
This piece of myself wouldn't have been possibe without you...
You are amazing!
Eddie[attachment=2990:attachment]

Posted by: Muris Dec 17 2007, 12:37 AM

What a groovy tune Eddie!!! smile.gif

Great sound as well!!
Your work and progress is really amazing!!

Warm wishes for upcoming Holidays as well!!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Dec 17 2007, 12:45 AM

QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 17 2007, 12:37 AM) *
What a groovy tune Eddie!!! smile.gif

Great sound as well!!
Your work and progress is really amazing!!

Warm wishes for upcoming Holidays as well!!! biggrin.gif


Thank you Muris.
Hope you like it...
Thank you for all you are teaching me.
God bless, Eddie

Posted by: eddiecat Jan 6 2008, 07:02 PM

Hello Muris.
Very quick question about technique/fingering:
The 2 whole note steps: I tend to play them Index-Ring Finger-Pinky.
I know that you do them Index-Middle Finger-Pinky.
Should I change my fingering?

Thank you.

Eddie

Posted by: Muris Jan 6 2008, 08:32 PM

I've played around 13-14 years and I've used mostly index,middle and pinky for 2 whole steps.
And as good exercise I sometimes use index,ring and pinky,for ALL shapes,
semi and whole,whole and semi,2 whole etc.
Since ring and pinky are well connected (hard to split tho)
I'm trying to break that friendship here and there. wink.gif

So,if you feeling comfortable with your current fingering,why not to keep it?
Paul Gilbert uses index,ring and pinky all the time
but that's his personal choice and matter. smile.gif

Posted by: eddiecat Jan 6 2008, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Muris @ Jan 6 2008, 08:32 PM) *
I've played around 13-14 years and I've used mostly index,middle and pinky for 2 whole steps.
And as good exercise I sometimes use index,ring and pinky,for ALL shapes,
semi and whole,whole and semi,2 whole etc.
Since ring and pinky are well connected (hard to split tho)
I'm trying to break that friendship here and there. wink.gif

So,if you feeling comfortable with your current fingering,why not to keep it?
Paul Gilbert uses index,ring and pinky all the time
but that's his personal choice and matter. smile.gif


Ok then. I'll use your one string lesson (especially video 3)
to alternate middle and ring finger!
Thank you.

Eddie

Posted by: Muris Jan 6 2008, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (eddiecat @ Jan 6 2008, 10:13 PM) *
Ok then. I'll use your one string lesson (especially video 3)
to alternate middle and ring finger!
Thank you.

Eddie


You're welcome Eddie wink.gif

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