Fender Classic Amps Pack. Better Than The Real Thing?
Todd Simpson
Feb 15 2020, 07:46 AM
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Overloud Has Just released a new pack. This is the Kemperish feature of overloud doing some Fender Amps. Whaddya think? As good as the real thing? not as good? Better?

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klasaine
Feb 15 2020, 06:39 PM
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Probably the players parameter settings but way too dark for 'classic' Fender amp tones. Also, the trem is totally wrong. Too chopped.
I have a feeling though that it's the guys settings and preferences.

UAD makes the better Fender amp package but even those IMO don't really deliver it. Too much sizzle in the top end.

*You know, it's not hard (or loud) to mic a small fender combo amp. If you have a little cash - get a Princeton. If you're broke - get a pro junior. Use an SM57.

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Todd Simpson
Feb 16 2020, 07:54 AM
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Very true. A cheap fender amp and 57 is something you just can't go wrong with which is why so many pros have at least one and so many studios have one as well. These guys do METAL patches so I think he's using the bridge pickup which is sorta getting in the way of things. I did a METAL PACK for these guys for the 11 Rack a while back. I have heard better clean rig for THU since listening to these. Here are some more complete rigs from the "kemperish" feature. For those who like doing it all "in the box"





QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 15 2020, 01:39 PM) *
Probably the players parameter settings but way too dark for 'classic' Fender amp tones. Also, the trem is totally wrong. Too chopped.
I have a feeling though that it's the guys settings and preferences.

UAD makes the better Fender amp package but even those IMO don't really deliver it. Too much sizzle in the top end.

*You know, it's not hard (or loud) to mic a small fender combo amp. If you have a little cash - get a Princeton. If you're broke - get a pro junior. Use an SM57.

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Feb 16 2020, 08:25 AM
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Most THU presets I hear sound more like taken from a mix rather than a solo sound. Its similar with boss processors, they sound dark when solo but fits very easy inside a mix.

The eq'ing though is really easy specially with that rig manager tool (eq is scientifically adjusted to ear so the very few knobs work fine).

On the other hand, though they're pretty much there for modern amps the more traditional stuff are still a problem. They explain in the Helix video's how older amp designs don't follow rules and the reaction (specially poweramp) doesn't make much sense for a scientists perception biggrin.gif

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Feb 16 2020, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Feb 16 2020, 12:25 AM) *
Most THU presets I hear sound more like taken from a mix rather than a solo sound. Its similar with boss processors, they sound dark when solo but fits very easy inside a mix.


Ah, excellent point but that’s all in the ears of the recordist/producer/engineer.

I prefer the brighter or jangly Fender (and vox) tones precisely because I find that they work better in a track.
It’s really easy, at least in my experience, to cut a bit of high-end presence if needed for a part to sit in a mix. Adding it after the fact always sounds neutered and artificial to me.


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Feb 16 2020, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 16 2020, 08:04 PM) *
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I also prefer to do the eq'ing myself, otherwise I miss the familiar feel thing. In such cases I increase the volume of my speakers and eq to taste (add highs or some mid. mostly) then revert back after recording.

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Todd Simpson
Feb 17 2020, 02:25 AM
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Well said! That perfectly describes it. "Neutered"!!!! smile.gif It's gotta be part of the signal or otherwise EQ can do more harm than good after the fact by magnifying underlying tonal issues.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 16 2020, 04:04 PM) *
Ah, excellent point but that’s all in the ears of the recordist/producer/engineer.

I prefer the brighter or jangly Fender (and vox) tones precisely because I find that they work better in a track.
It’s really easy, at least in my experience, to cut a bit of high-end presence if needed for a part to sit in a mix. Adding it after the fact always sounds neutered and artificial to me.

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