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Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 7 2013, 04:32 AM

Our very own VONHOTCH is a Luthier!!! Who knew? He made me this custom guitar pick out of ALUMINUM and I"m just A FREAKING MAZED by it.

Here is a pic.

Spiff Bits
1.)Never Needs sharpening
2.)Holes to help grip
3.)Shape like a jazz III so it's familiar, nice and pointy.
4.)(BEST OF ALL) It literall glides between strings.

I'll be using it for this weekends VIDEO CHATS as i haven't put it down since I got it. I'm a big fan of trying new picks and this one is really cool. I hope he makes more and I hope he makes one thats a tad bigger!! More to follow.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 7 2013, 01:44 PM

Hey this looks lovely! How does it feel - isn't it twangy on the strings somehow?

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 7 2013, 02:46 PM

I personally don't think they sound twangy at all. That is what you would think using a metal pick, but I think they actually have a very clear tone. Especially on lower strings. I tried a stainless steel pick a long time ago, and that had more of a metallic sound too it, and it really chewed up my strings. Aluminum is softer than the steel of the strings so it will not eat them up, and I think that's why it doesn't have as harsh a metallic tone.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 7 2013, 08:57 PM

Zero Twang. With a bit of gain it sounds monstrous. Adds a bit of bite and metallic crunch (but not over the top like a couple of other metal/brass picks I've tried) that makes power chords sound HUGE and makes leads more articulate. So far it's darn amazing

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 7 2013, 11:44 PM

Wou!! I want to see it in action! Good job Vonhotch! You are very multifaceted!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 8 2013, 09:35 AM

Alright V-man! I want one! What do I have to do? I currently play with the Dunlop John Petrucci signature pics so I'd like something similar to those regarding the shape and dimension

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 8 2013, 06:07 PM

That would be a good size I'm wanting one that's about the size of a Vpick switchblade. These are really spiff. I'll be using it in this weekends chat if you want to hear one

Todd

Posted by: sammetal92 Jun 8 2013, 06:43 PM

Amazing! I want one too

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 8 2013, 08:12 PM

Ha ha. We have a saying here. "Jack of all trades, master of none." Never had much money so if I wanted something cool had to learn to make or do it myself. I owe my father for that!


I am trying to get a site set up for online orders so I guess for the moment, I guess for now we will have to do it through PM. I will send you a PM in a few minutes!!!!


I will send you a PM in a few minutes!!

Thanks guys. I am starting out asking $20 each. Here is some pics of some renderings of basic styles I am currently working with. I can pretty much make them into any dimensions you want but they are about 1/8" thick. I will be experimenting with thinner material shortly, but this is what Todd's and the ones in the pictures are. And for now if anybody else is interested you can post here or send me a PM.

These are renderings actual grip holes may vary a bit these are partly for a 3d printing project I am also working on to be able to offer other materials a bit cheaper.

These are a couple I have made and are currently using.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jun 8 2013, 09:50 PM

They look sweet and the one on the right in the second picture looks insanely killer

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 9 2013, 12:13 AM

Thanks. That pick is the one I am using most right now.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 9 2013, 01:20 PM

Hey man! I got yer message Thank you! Will reply asap!

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 9 2013, 06:03 PM

Make way for the next Jim Dunlop! Those look like some killer picks man, great idea!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 9 2013, 07:56 PM

Thanks Rich, it was just something I thought I would try one morning and then tease Todd with it at video chat because I know how he likes custom picks. I am really pleased and surprised how much I like them myself, for just a spur of the moment idea.

Posted by: SixStringSamurai Jun 9 2013, 08:31 PM

Way cool! Both my guitar and engineering geek sides are intrigued, haha. Love the 3D renderings.

If you do decide to go properly commercial with it and would like a bit of a write-up (I'd love to talk geeky things like design choices for materials, ergonomics, aesthetics etc), I'd love to feature it on Six-String Samurai

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 9 2013, 10:15 PM

This is very cool. I am sorry that I had not checked out your website sooner. Looks great. I'm always interested in the that "geeky" stuff too. I will talk to you soon. Thanks for you interest.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 9 2013, 10:55 PM

I"ve been using the Prototype that VON sent me and it's way spiff I"ve used in in the last two video chat sessions so folks could hear it for themselvs. I"ll be using it next weekend to. Stop by if you guys want to hear one live

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 10 2013, 08:49 AM

Once mine arrives, I will give it to my band mates to try it out and if they like it too, maybe we will place more orders

Posted by: PosterBoy Jun 10 2013, 09:24 AM

Todd are you finding it heats up and burns you when you play at speed?


Von They look really cool.

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 10 2013, 01:42 PM

Cool! I am excited to hear what you guys think.



Thanks man.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 11 2013, 07:59 AM

I am already imagining beautifully carved Days of Confusion aluminum picks...

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 11 2013, 08:00 PM

I hadn't considered that At warp speed I guess the friction could melt the bones in my hand Seriously though, they stay pretty mild temp wise as they are aluminum. Surprisingly light as well


Todd

Now that would looks pretty darn spiff!!!! I"d asked about custom carving as well. I gotta say it would be hard not to put it on a chain around ones neck and wear it as jewelry!!! Hmm..


VONHOTCH: Put one with a hole in it on a chain and call it a necklace!!!


Todd

Posted by: SixStringSamurai Jun 11 2013, 08:23 PM

Haha I was just thinking the same about the necklace thing!! It'll be awesome. Can't wait to review these... Todd, when I do the write-up, your input would be greatly valued as well if you'd like to put in some words (and music!) \m/ just let me know.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 11 2013, 08:32 PM

P.S. In the interest of helping out our GMC brother VONHOTCH as he starts making all these spiff picks and such. I thought it might be cool to pitch in and see if we could give him a hand with graphics/marketing/social media tips etc. I've got one to start with!!

FACEBOOK: The new facebook banner size is a bit wonky. But if you know what it is ahead of time, you can make better banners. Here is a quick graphic to tell you how big to make your profile icon and your banner.

Here is the banner sized. You can use this as a template in photoshop or what not.


Here is the profile icon size template.


I don't do a ton of still image graphics (I,m an after effects guy, but what the hey I thought I'd work up some mockups of facebook banners to get the ball rolling.






Here is the PHOTOSHOP source file as well. If you don't have photoshop, you can download a fully functioning 30 day demo from adobe.com

 VonBanner.psd.zip ( 6.26MB ) : 95


Sounds like a plan Looking Forward!

Todd

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 11 2013, 11:33 PM

I appreciate the confidence. I am about to go work on them right now....


These are awesome Todd. Thanks. I especially like the third one! I'll be using these for sure.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 11 2013, 11:52 PM

Glad you like em Your really gaining speed on this project!! Congrats!

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 12 2013, 07:05 AM

If everything is smooth and we love the picks which I'm sure will happen - we will make a short presentation movie and help you out with spreading the word!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 12 2013, 01:39 PM

This is great! I really appreciate all the support.

And if anybody has and comments or questions I would love to hear. I've had some great suggestions so far. What are some of the things you guys look for when selecting a pick. What do you find most important? Or is it just the first one closest. I didn't used to care too much what it was made from, but more of the thickness was the first thing I looked at, then probably size.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 12 2013, 09:22 PM

Good question I usually start with

1.)Thickness (around 1.5 mm)
2.)Overall Size (about the size of a clayton standard or vpick switchblade)
3.)Material (some sound better)
4.)POINTY!!! (Gotta be beveled on both sides to a fine point)
5.)Grip (Gotta not fall out of grip easily)

So far not too many picks make the grade for me, so far only one other than the VON HOTCH comes from the vendor the way I like em. (E.G. my custom switchblade) These picks from VON HOTCH are a rare find. The best thing about them for me, other than killer tone, is that you can't wear down the point!!! I usually have to resharpen my picks. Not anymore

Todd

Posted by: David.C.Bond Jun 12 2013, 10:05 PM

Looks intriguing! There's so many types of pick about these days :S

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 13 2013, 07:34 AM

I fell in love with the Jim Dunlop John Petrucci Jazz III picks and those are pretty much close to Todd's specs - out of what I an figure so far.

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 13 2013, 01:39 PM

Good info, cool to see the order of priorties. I think I feel about the same as this. I used to not care too much about material, but now that I found something that I like, that has changed a bit.

It's true, something for everybody. Hard not to be able to find just the right thing anymore. Plastic, wood, stone, metal. The only thing I havn't seen I think is an ice pick...........Oh wait....




Yea I think it's pretty close. Todd's are even a bit more pointy, but I started by basing them off a regular Jazz III (not exactly!!!) because that's what I was using and liked. And I think the Petrucci is a little longer and sharper?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 13 2013, 04:51 PM

Yesss It is!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 17 2013, 01:27 AM

This is a new pick I made other day. It has some filing on the edge for decoration, kind of like a custom knife. It's a bit fancy but I thought it might be kind of cool.


Also I wanted to let everybody know that I finally got some picks listed on my website. And since GMC has been so awesome I wanted to offer anybody who might want to try them a 15% coupon. Just use "gmc15". The website is www.vonhotch.wix.com/vonhotch . I appreciate all the support and comments, and also if anybody wants you can like my page on facebook, help me spread the word.

This is the actual link to the page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Von-Hotch/134087556793864

Thanks again, everyone!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 17 2013, 06:50 AM

Hey V-man, this one looks like a shuriken nice design - I also had a look on your website and saw all the picks together! Can't wait to try mine!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 17 2013, 04:30 PM

Ha ha. Yea I forgot to mention you can also use it for self defense!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 17 2013, 08:27 PM

Very cool design there!!! The SHURIKEN is a good name for it too

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 18 2013, 08:06 AM

If you might ever need some inspiration ...

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 18 2013, 11:30 PM

Nice Just don't make them cut ones fingers!!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 18 2013, 11:55 PM

I agree, I put it on my site called "Goliath", but I think "The Shuriken" is much cooler, I think I am gonna change it.



These would make some hard core picks! You might end up with a pick that looks like one of these. Just for fun, and because I can!

Posted by: mroberts70 Jun 19 2013, 12:00 AM

I think maybe Cos would want one that looked like that as well.... I would.

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 19 2013, 12:09 AM

He might get one. I am working on his batch now. I am not sure how practical it would be, but it would be damn cool!!!

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 19 2013, 08:49 AM

Are these made from pure aluminum, or from billets of an alloy such as 6061-T6?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 19 2013, 08:52 AM

I am honored to have helped you dub one of your designs! Thank you man!

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 19 2013, 02:22 PM

I'm sure that it is some type of alloy, but to be honest I do not know for sure exactly which. I have a stack of aluminum plates that I am using, that I got a long time ago. The thinner picks I do not have as much material for so I will need to purchase more sooner than the thicker ones and will be able to provide exactly which type of aluminum, which I would prefer to do. Hopefully the magic is not just in the plates I have.
When I do move to new material I am thinking I will try 6061 or I think it would be interesting to try some of the special alloys they use in tuning forks. That may not be so cost effective though. It would be interesting to see if different alloys have a noticeably different tone.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 20 2013, 12:25 AM

I got two Spanking New VonHotch Custom Picks in the mail today and I can't wait to try them out!!! They are two new shapes I have not gotten to try yet so I'm stoked I'll take some pix tonight when I'm practicing and post em. These looks amazing and I gotta say NICELY DON VON!!!

P.S. Forgive my ignorance but I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Can you guys clue us in on what these numbers mean?

Todd

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 20 2013, 01:41 AM

I'm not exactely an expert on this but basically the numbers are different types of aluminum, representing different materials that the aluminum is combined with to form an alloy. There are several different kinds made up of several different combinations, giving them different properties.
(From wiki)

Wrought alloys
The International Alloy Designation System is the most widely accepted naming scheme for wrought alloys. Each alloy is given a four-digit number, where the first digit indicates the major alloying elements.
1000 series are essentially pure aluminium with a minimum 99% aluminium content by weight and can be work hardened.
2000 series are alloyed with copper, can be precipitation hardened to strengths comparable to steel. Formerly referred to as duralumin, they were once the most common aerospace alloys, but were susceptible to stress corrosion cracking and are increasingly replaced by 7000 series in new designs.
3000 series are alloyed with manganese, and can be work hardened.
4000 series are alloyed with silicon. They are also known as silumin.
5000 series are alloyed with magnesium.
6000 series are alloyed with magnesium and silicon, are easy to machine, and can be precipitation hardened, but not to the high strengths that 2000 and 7000 can reach.
7000 series are alloyed with zinc, and can be precipitation hardened to the highest strengths of any aluminium alloy.
8000 series is a category mainly used for lithium alloys.[citation needed]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_alloy

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 20 2013, 03:05 AM

Well cool!!! Thanks

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 20 2013, 05:42 AM

Got some new VON PICKS!!!! I took some Pix of the Picks to celebrate

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 20 2013, 06:45 PM

Thanks VH! Making them out of the same alloys that tuning forks are made of sounds like a great idea if it is not too overly expensive.
I really like that pick in Todd's 2nd picture, Is that the Invader"?

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 20 2013, 06:58 PM

That is indeed the Invader.

And here is a finished test of that shuriken rendering.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 21 2013, 07:50 AM

This is MASSIVE! If you didn't know Shuriken Jutsu is the art of throwing these deadly weapons - it was practiced by Samurai and Shinobi (Ninja) as well

Posted by: mroberts70 Jun 21 2013, 08:22 AM

That's a cool pick, I suppose you'd have to be careful throwing those out into the audience...

Posted by: vonhotch Jun 21 2013, 02:50 PM

Probably, but they would be easy to catch!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 22 2013, 07:34 AM

In the forehead! Blam! They used to carry them in the sleeves of their kimonos - I never understood how until I've seen a real traditional Japanese kimono - the sleeves are like huge pockets

Posted by: AK Rich Jul 2 2013, 04:34 PM

I got mail! There is a new pick in the lineup! My VonHotch custom invader showed up in the mail today, and I am looking forward to giving it a whirl.
Thanks VH!
Shown with a standard Jazz III and a John Petrucci Jazz III.

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Posted by: vonhotch Jul 3 2013, 01:39 AM

Glad you finally got it. Please share what you think, when you get a chance to give it a good test.

Posted by: AK Rich Jul 3 2013, 03:17 AM

That was obnoxiously funny! Well, I put a few hours on it today and although it is a little pointier than I am used to it didn't take very long for me to adapt to it. I even posted a new Guess the Riff today that I used this pick on. Pick scrapes with this thing are pure evil! And sliding it across the higher strings that are not wound sounds pretty nice too, and so do pick taps!
Also my lady has already tried to steal it and make a necklace out of it.
On the downside though, I have already started seeing some wear on the edges from aggressive picking. Nothing too bad yet but I can see the leading edges starting to kind of fold over to the other side.Whenever you start looking for new material you may want to go with the hardest series of alloy you can get your hands on, like a 2000 or 7000 series, or maybe even something in the 6000 series may work a bit better. So far it's not really a problem because this thing is plenty sharp, and after I abuse it a bit more I'll see if I can get my camera to focus on it better and try to get a good closeup and post a pic if you like.
Have you or Todd noticed anything like this in the way of wear and tear?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 3 2013, 07:25 AM

Cool! Can't wait to get mine - I am curious how much abuse it takes to wear it down, hmmm..

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 3 2013, 02:58 PM

Actually I had noticed this little bit of edge roll on some of mine and have tried to fix it by leaving the edges a bit less sharp and a bit thicker. But as these continue to evolve I do not always nail the perfect edge on everyone yet. I am confident that as the pick wears and gets into the thicker material the edge will find it's "happy spot" and wear a bit slower, and the thin roll will wear off as well. Please let me know if it creates a problem or continues to wear excessively. And actually since you mention it new specifically known alloys will be being tested soon. (Thanks GregH)

I keep getting great feedback like this so I am working hard to beat out all the bugs. They will keep getting better and better, I promise.



Hopefully they show up soon! Mail is so slow!

Posted by: AK Rich Jul 3 2013, 05:22 PM

Right on VH, yeah it could be that after a short break in period the wear will slow, I put a couple hours of testing doing speed drills last night and didn't really notice much additional wear that I had noticed after the first few hours of playing with it.The tip seems to have rounded off slightly and settled which actually makes it easier rolling off the strings. I took the rolled edge off with one of my lady's fine grit fingernail files
(Shhh, don't tell her ) and then hit it with some green 3M abrasive pad, worked like a charm! These picks seem to brighten the tone a bit and make the notes sound a bit more pronounced maybe and it really does feel good in my hand. So overall I am pretty happy with it so far.
Thanks again and it is my pleasure to provide feedback that may help in the evolution of these picks.

Posted by: Dieterle Jul 3 2013, 05:29 PM

Hey this One makes me interested !


Inform me when test period is successful done ! PLEASE

Dieter

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 4 2013, 10:33 AM

My batch has arrived!!!

Will test them today and I'll write my thoughts here

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 5 2013, 01:28 AM

Ha ha. That's what she gets for trying to make necklace out of it! I spent an hour today (which to be honest is the most time I have had in a bit) quadpicking my brains out trying to wear down a pick as much as possible and wear off the little bit of rounded edge and what seemed to happen is that the edge seemed to get smaller but I think that different playing styles and the way you hold you pick might have an effect on the way it wears, thus leaving the edge a bit different for everyone? What do you think? I think that I am going to start out leaving the edges even a bit thicker than they are now. This may prevent the "edge roll" but not the wear of the edge adjusting to the particular style of the player. I have played and think that even with a little of the "edge roll" that it is still functional, though I think it is a pain for people to have to remove it from a new pick if they find it an issue. I am curious if you would agree with this???

Also you had mentioned about the shrapnel coming off of the pick. The pick dust left behind. Before my practice today I cleaned the guitar with the best finish that I had and then tried to get the most dust left behind so I could try to scratch it!!! After I was done there was some on it and my first thought was to use a thin piece of paper or cardboard or something and try to make it as close to a "sandpaper" as possible, but what I found was that the cardboard scratched it by itself, in an area with no aluminum dust. So then I tried wiping it off with my finger and did not notice any noticable scratches. After that I used a cloth and Gibson pump polish to clean the finish, and also did not notice it effecting the finish of the guitar. It's not my intent to hide anything that might damage someones guitar, so I tested this first priority!!!!!! I hope to be honest and transparent with this process and if there are flaws do my best to perfect it. It was my experience today the aluminum dust did not scratch the finish when wiped off. It is probably possible to find an way in a worse case scenario to find a way to make it do so. But was not the case today.

Thanks Rich!!!



Dieter, that is a Cosmin special! That is the one he is going to throw back at me if he does not like them.
They are getting better all the time as they evolve. The testing will go on forever (hopefully). I believe they work well as they are. They are not perfect, yet. But I am workiing on it. When you want to try one let me know we can work something out!!!!



So excited to hear what you think!!!!!! I can't wait.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 5 2013, 08:17 AM

Ok guys! I have given the VH picks a good ride yesterday for about 6 hours!

My conclusions are the following:

Ups - great feel, tone and picking accuracy - when I went back to the plastic one it felt a bit dull, so to say
Downs - I managed to wear the edges off in one evening and it started hooking the strings a bit..

So, I would say that if VonHotch could find an alloy which does not wear off quickly, these could be a great companion for a lot of people! I have given one to my mate in Days of Confusion, as today he plays with his other band in a festival and he will tell me his thoughts about how he felt the picks in action onstage!

Posted by: AK Rich Jul 6 2013, 07:17 PM

Yeah, I would agree that the picks are probably going to wear a bit differently for everyone, I hold my pick at right about a 35 to 40 degree angle.Call it a self adjusting pick!
I think as I was using it that first day the pick wore down to a certain degree then seemed to stop rolling over, but I didn't continue to use it long enough to see if the rolled edge actually wore off. The rolled edge didn't really catch the strings for me, I guess because it's always on the trailing edge of the pick, but it just bugged me so I took it off. I haven't played much since that first initial break in period with it, probably about 4 hours of playing. I was thinking I would use it for Todds' chat and check for additional rolling again since his chat lessons are always good for massive amounts of pick strokes
I also agree the pick is still functional after that initial wear, it may even work better for me because it rolls of the strings a bit easier. At first it was so sharp and pointy that it seemed to hang up a bit. Taking the edge off wasn't too big of a deal with the fine grit nail file and abrasive pad, it only took a minute or so, although I agree some folks might be irritated at having to do this.
I am glad to hear that you didn't scratch or dull your finish in your testing, I was kind of worried about that issue. When I cleaned my guitar I just blew the dust off before trying to wipe it down just to be on the safe side. Maybe some info and recommendations are in order to go along with the picks as you send them out.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 7 2013, 02:31 PM

Curious enough, the aluminum dust gathered on my thumb - on the side which faces the guitar. I am really curious to see what sort of alloy can be used in order to reduce the wear of these picks - I enjoyed the pointiness of the ones I have received so I would be happy to be able to keep them that way for as long as possible.

Posted by: PosterBoy Jul 7 2013, 03:30 PM

These do look great but I'm a fan of the V pick Stiletto, I'm not sure how hard it would be to get the picks that small and thin.

Though a few to go on chains would be good.

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 8 2013, 06:42 PM

Thanks. Small is not a problem, thin seems to be where the issues start to come into play.


I will testing out some new alloys this week. I keep you guys updated, and post some pics, when I get them made.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 9 2013, 07:55 AM

Great news! I have shared your pics with more guitar playing friends and they enjoyed them - the only things that were downsides to them as well, were the fact that they wore off pretty quickly and the aluminum dust left on the thumb, so I am really looking forward to the results brought to the table by the usage of new alloys!

Posted by: jstcrsn Jul 9 2013, 11:49 AM

my 2 cents for what is worth, A pick made of softer material than the strings will wear down, however a pick made of material harder than the string , will wear the string down and break the string( usually in the middle of the song). I would rather have a softer pick than a string break in a live show.
So the ? becomes- does the sound the pick produces out way the pick loosing its edge. We change string every gig to get the best tone we can , so would it make sense to change picks every couple of songs to get the best tone possible

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 10 2013, 07:38 AM

That's very true, but we are not talking about regular picks here - from the business perspective, your clients will automatically become a smaller group of people that have the same vision with you and also have cash to spend. These picks are premium products - if you gig heavily, you will probably wear down a pick in, let's say, 2 concerts? Let's assume you don't use them to practice, but then, how will you get used to the feel? In 10 concerts you have wore down 5 picks, theoretically. It's a matter of finding a good balance - finding an alloy which is not too soft and not too hard - and reducing the proportion of picks used/ number of gigs in my opinion

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 12 2013, 03:46 AM

I have to say here that the OCTAVIOUS (Thick Version)

pick that Vonhotch sent me hasn't worn AT ALL / ZERO / ZILCH, but it's a HUGE pick in terms of thickness compared to what average players are used to. I typically shoot for 1.5 MM (per the spec on my custom Vpicks) but with these picks, even though they are much thicker, it doesn't seem to get in the way. In fact, the dual sided bevel makes the actual contact point as thin as my other picks. The edge of the bevel is slightly rounded which makes string traverse a breeze as well as pinch harmonics.

In short, The thinner version that I tried (the KILLER looking V shaped pick with the cross on the front)

had a bit sharper edge and wore a bit quicker and didn't seem to traverse or pinch as well as the octavious. Your mileage may vary of course, but it seems that the thinner the edge, the quicker the wear.

For a custom built pick like this, made of exotic (for a pick) material, I've had to let go of my previous conception of what sort of picks I like. (1.5, acetyl plastic, sharp as a needle) as I'm starting to figure out those specs were due partially to the material.

For this material, it seems that thicker is better. I thought it would feel odd, but it felt perfect after about 15 minutes. Now it's the only pick I'm using. I may go back to my VPICKS and CLAYTONS, but for now, I can't put the Octavious down


Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 12 2013, 09:22 AM

Hell man, I loved that thin version most out of all the picks VH sent - that's the one for me! It went spot on in about 10-15 minutes as in your case with the Octavious - I played Pantera riffs and solos with it and it felt awesome!

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 12 2013, 04:33 PM

I've got some new alloys which should be a bit harder than what I was using, and I'm gonna try to get a few made up this weekend for testing. It's 2024, and 7075 aircraft aluminum.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 12 2013, 09:46 PM

To each his own as they say I think you may be in luck as VON is experimenting with different metals so that the thin picks might be stronger and not wear. I like my plastic picks about 1.5 but this monster Octavious with the doughnut hole has made me rethink my entire picking technique.

I notice that with the weight of the pick, my hand actually works less and I can play longer without fatique. The density/weight of the pick is such that you barely need to strike with the tip and weight does most of work your hand was doing before but your still in control of it. Assuming of course, ones hands are able to control a monster pick of course. But again, different strokes for different folks!!

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 13 2013, 01:11 PM

Very good point, man! I am waiting for the results with the new alloys It's like with the swords - some people can't perform well with mine simply because it's heavier - but for my weight, tallness and strength, it feels just right!

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 15 2013, 02:19 AM

I made a thin pick out of a new alloy this weekend (7075) and after 4 hours of Todd's weekend shred fest vchats. I am unable to see any noticable wear. It looked like it did when I got done making it. I also did not notice any string wear. It played just as smooth, and maybe it was in my head but I think it sounded even better. Maybe not better but just as good in the good ways and not as bad in the bad ways, if that makes sense. I also have another alloy (2024) to try also but I can't imagine it being better, but it is next. So stay tuned for some pics!

Oh and since is wears less, less wear should mean less pick dust, which means less silver fingers!!!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 15 2013, 08:16 AM

Silver Fingers sounds like a pirate name or so Kidding aside, I am happy to hear that the new experiments are paying off

Posted by: Taka Perry Jul 17 2013, 06:54 AM

Wow, this looks really cool. I'm a big fan of Jazz III's myself, I just like the thickness and size of it.

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 17 2013, 02:52 PM

Thanks. I love Jazz III's too. That's what I used before these. I'm finding that these evolve a bit that like Todd mentioned, it is interesting to see that the pick material can make different sizes, or shapes, feel more comfortable, where they are not in another material.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 18 2013, 02:58 PM

Speaking of Jazz IIIs, the new pics I just got from von include one (the octavious) that feels a lot like a jazz but a tad more jumbo. The metal is light and the bevel on the edge is so killer, that it feels like you are playing a standard thin pick. The part hitting the strings is quite thin, the base has more thickness which aids in grip. I LOVE these.

Posted by: Taka Perry Jul 18 2013, 11:30 PM

They look really cool. Honestly I want one now

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 19 2013, 12:19 AM

Just PM Vonhotch He's been great about hooking up the folks here @ GMC!! he's in this thread a bit back.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 19 2013, 10:14 AM

Todd, are these the ones made out of the new alloy?

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 19 2013, 01:41 PM

Those are the last of the old stuff. So far I'm the only one with any made from the new 7075... Muah ha ha ha. I have been tied up finishing some other things but I will have a batch of new stuff ready this weekend. I think I keep saying that but I really mean it this time. Every bodies new picks will be ready to ship the beginning of the week.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 19 2013, 04:13 PM

I like Todd's Octavius pick

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 20 2013, 04:03 PM

Oooo (rubbing hands and laughing)

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 23 2013, 05:51 AM

I"m with ya!! I LOVE the OCTAVIOUS pick. The bevel makes it play like a much thinner pick and the heft makes is easy to articulate and seems to reduce stress on the hand as the weight acts almost like a balance making consistent strikes much easier.

Killer picks VON!!

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 30 2013, 02:00 PM

I have been giving away some picks from the first batch of material in a contest on my facebook page to make room for the new stuff. If anybody is interested. I will be drawing this afternoon. And probably doing it again next week.

www.facebook.com/artofvonhotch

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 31 2013, 07:23 AM

Hey VH, I will spread the news on FB myself!

Posted by: vonhotch Jul 31 2013, 03:25 PM

Thanks, man. I thought it would be a fun way to expand my reach a bit. I will probably start giving away a few of the new ones too, once I run out of the originals, and get a bit of inventory built back up.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 1 2013, 08:40 AM

And you shouldn't stop here man - the power of the internet and social media is totally awesome and I totally recommend you to be as active as possible. Have you thought about some strategy maybe?

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 1 2013, 03:01 PM

Social media is such a fad. I'm going with sign flippers.



In all seriousness, I have a bit of a loose strategy and have been fortunate enough to have a lot of great support coming from all over the world. People have been great about giving me feedback and helping to spread the word. Right now I am working on switching over to the new material and getting feedback on that, and getting some out to everyone that will be trying them. I have been speaking to bands, and have some other ideas for when I get some inventory built back up.

But speaking of all of that I would like to thank everyone for their help so far.
Everyone here at Gmc that has tried them, and given me great honest opinions.

The bands that have tested them, which of course everybody should check out:

Days of Confusion https://www.facebook.com/DaysOfConfusionOfficial
Ender's Game http://endersgametheband.com/
Setting Fire to Stacey https://www.facebook.com/SettingFireToStacey
Pet the Preacher https://www.facebook.com/petthepreacher

A couple websites
www.guitarmasterclass.net Of course!!
www.six-string-samurai.com courtesy of GMC's own six string samurai
www.guitarwink.com

And of course Todd who has taken the time to help me with all kinds of advice and got me to start this whole pick thing.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 2 2013, 08:51 AM

Sounds good so far man - I was thinking about more interactive things involving the bands which are using them - for instance - us we can make a little testimonial video in which we can speak about the picks and such.. There's a lot of stuff to do and as I said, if I like something, I will act in such a manner so that everyone will know I like that thing

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 3 2013, 12:13 AM

This is a very good idea COS!!! Testimonial vids are very spiff when done well and especially when folks with chops are doing the testifying!! I'm going to make one myself in my next playthough vid shoot. Shoot something and share it via youtube and then Von can embed it!! What do you think VON?

P.S. I sent some killer VON picks to Dylan who makes DAEMONESS GUITARS today for him to try out. He is an important voice in the Metal scene IMHO and a die hard Metal fan. Not to mention a really nice guy and one hell of a talented artist. I hope he is inspired by these picks the same way I have been. These things really have opened up a new door for me in my playing. I'm just nuts about them



QUESTION:


Anybody else notice that these picks actually help you play longer, faster, more precisely and bettr?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 3 2013, 08:31 AM

I'm in for it! I'll make something up with my band mates as well

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 4 2013, 07:48 PM

I'm sure that will help! Anyone else using the picks, contact VONHOTCH post any blurbs/testimonial stuff here in the thread too If possible so he can grab it!!! These are awesome and I think it's so cool they are gestating here @ GMC!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 5 2013, 10:52 AM

Well, I'll be getting my hands on the improved alloy versions and we'll see what we can do after that

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 5 2013, 03:47 PM

Some quotes and testimonial vids would be great. I would love that and would definitely share them on the website and facebook, and everywhere. And quotes anybody is willing to provide would be great too!

Hopefully your new picks will be there soon Cosmin.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 6 2013, 08:15 AM

I'll write my thoughts down as soon as they arrive! Can't wait either I bombarded my friends with your picks

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 6 2013, 08:50 PM

I"ve been doing the same thing ever since the first one showed up. I just LOVE these so It's impossible for me not to gush about them at every opportunity

I just shipped some off to the guy from DAEMONESS guitars to see what he thinks about them as well. These picks have gone to Europe, The States, etc. They are really making the rounds!

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 7 2013, 08:23 AM

Well, let's see when that darn postman arrives!

Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 12 2013, 09:06 AM

These picks are now international! Officially arrived in my hands right here in the Middle East I LOVE my invader pick, this is probably THE BEST pick I have ever played with in my short time of playing guitar, and is possibly the best pick I will ever play with, I don't think any other pick can surpass these



EDIT: I'd like to add that pinch harmonics have never been easier for me I don't know how, its probably because of the grip holes, but it fits really easily between my thumb and finger in a way that I don't have to change its position for doing pinch harmonics

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 13 2013, 07:42 AM

Can't wait for mine

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 13 2013, 08:09 AM

VON PICKS ARE GOING GLOBAL!!!!!

These really are awesome picks. Pinch harmonics are easier, the pick seems to be doing more of the work so my hands don't get fatiqued even playing at speed for extended periods. The tone is THICK and Bright at the same time and the grip is brilliant.

Also, Playing and 8 or even a 7 with a standard pick is begging to ruin the pick. These can handle my 8 string guitars with ease and not even flinch.

Go Von!!

Todd

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 13 2013, 01:44 PM

Really glad to hear how much you like them. Can I use this a quote or customer testimonial on my website? Got a do a bit of updating on it soon. Would like to add some.



Still haven't shown up yet? Must be soon. The first batch took awhile to though right? I can't remember how long.



Global is right. So cool to see. I have been thinking of putting up a world map and tacking off where I have sent picks. So amazing all the different countries. Romania, Denmark, France, New Zealand, Pakistan, and others I am drawing a blank on at the moment.

Had not thought of the differences in the heavier string gauges. They do handle my low B well on my 7. I love the tone it brings out of that.
And also my acoustic sounds so much brighter.

I have also refined some of the process a bit so I have been able to make at least the thinner ones much quicker. Which means that I will be able to offer them cheaper when I get more up for sale. I know price has been an issue for some, so I am excited about this.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 13 2013, 02:25 PM

They'll be here alright

Posted by: sammetal92 Aug 13 2013, 08:33 PM

Yes! I'd love that, use my picture with that as well if you want I'd love to make a video testimonial but I'm extremely camera shy

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 14 2013, 06:31 PM

Thank you Sam!! I will add it in. No worries on the video. I'm the same way.


And if anybody else has any comments they want to contribute officially on the record. That would be great.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 26 2013, 04:37 AM

LIMITED "SPECIAL FORCES EDITION" BLACK 'n' CHROME!!!!!



NICE!!!!!!!!!

With available MATCHING PICKUP RINGS!!!!



GO VON!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 26 2013, 07:06 AM

I want to thank Von Hotch for the extraordinary picks he has sent me They are uber awesome and the new alloys are much more resistant!

There quite a lot of folks here in Romania asking about the picks, so...

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 26 2013, 02:48 PM

Color!!!!!! Powder coated picks. The powder coat really adds to the feel and grip. And I will be able to have them done in batches of just about any color!



You are quite welcome! I am really glad that you like the new alloys. Did you notice any difference between the two?

Posted by: AK Rich Aug 26 2013, 05:21 PM

Wow! Now that's what I'm talking about! love the color and pickup rings man , great idea! Man those rings look fantastic!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 27 2013, 08:26 AM

Hey V-man - one feels somehow lighter - but I'll be damned if I can decide which one I like best!

Posted by: vonhotch Aug 27 2013, 01:59 PM

Thanks Rich. I like to make those rings for all my guitars. There's something about plastic parts that bug me.



Ha ha. They are both a definite improvement. GregH told me that the 7075 is the only alloy that rings. Which is pretty cool. You can hold a sheet and tap it and it really rings out like a pitch fork or something. The picks are a bit to small to ring, but just something about that fact that makes me like the 7075 maybe just a bit better. Probably all in my head though. Just think its cool to use a metal that makes music to make a pick to make music.

But the 2024 works very well also.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 28 2013, 08:09 AM

Wow, I had no clue about that I will try and give the pick a listen

Posted by: SixStringSamurai Sep 2 2013, 07:12 PM

Finally got a weekend to finish up my review and video comparison for Mr VonHotch! Interesting to hear the difference between aluminium and normal materials - not as stark as you might have imagined, which is quite good, since guitarists are soooo traditional most of the time. Check it out!

http://sixstringsamurai.co.nz/2013/09/01/von-hotch-custom-picks-90-aluminium-100-awesome/

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 3 2013, 07:42 AM

Great article man! I couldn't've said it better myself:

What I really liked about them was the fact that they added a little presence and “zing” to the tone… but not too much so as to be overpowering. Just a hint of extra top end sizzle.

Posted by: vonhotch Sep 3 2013, 02:33 PM

This was so great. Great job on the review. Thanks again. Hopefully everyone will go check it out. Was really cool to hear such a direct comparison.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Sep 4 2013, 01:04 AM

I could be very tempted! Will definitely go on my christmas wish list, though it's a long time from now.

My picks generally come with a disappearance rate of 1 a day it seems. I don't know where they all go. When they tear down the walls one day I'm sure they'll be stuffed with picks having somehow jumped in there.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 4 2013, 07:42 AM

Ben! I totally recommend these! They have an uber tone and they feel great - the new alloys are very durable! I definitely think that:

1) Christmas should come early for you
2) Place your pick around a necklace and you will never lose it ... that soon

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Sep 4 2013, 09:30 PM

I've told my girlfriend about these picks, so we'll see if she's listened! She better! But I'm not sure I can resist for several months! We'll see.

Yeah, I'm sure there are lots of ways. I may have exaggerated a bit though anyway. My picks just tend to fall behind the desk or other places. I'm sure I've lost hundreds during the years!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 4 2013, 11:13 PM

COSMIN Is spot on THESE PICKS RAWK!! Our very own VONHOTCH here @ GMC is the guy behind these picks. He is in this thread a few posts back, shoot him a personal message and let him know your interest. He's been great about getting these in to the hands of GMCers!

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 5 2013, 07:43 AM

Now, I have a problem - I have mismatched the little bags in which the picks came and I dunno which one is the 7075 and which one is the 2024... I tend to like the one with the clingy sound which feels heavy, a lot better - which one would that be?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 6 2013, 06:37 AM

The 7075 sheds a bit less. So which ever one leaves a bit of silver dush on your finger, thats probably not the 7075 I'm guessing?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Sep 6 2013, 11:07 AM

Yeah, I learned it was him after reading this thread when I joined. I'll let him know once we get closer to christmas. Or let my girlfriend know. I've linked her to Von Hotch's website.

Posted by: vonhotch Sep 6 2013, 01:28 PM

Ha ha. I have trouble telling them apart too if I don't know. Both the 7075 and the 2024 should shed less dust that the original. I have two identical ones made from each. I will sit down and remind myself tonight. I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember the answer to this right off. I think you are one of the few who had one of each in identical designs.



Thanks for checking it out. I will be happy to help with anything. Maybe we need to design a pick with one of those ringer tones like when you lose your telephone. You can hit a button and it will beep.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Sep 6 2013, 02:45 PM

It's not a bad idea at all. I've considered for a while that there ought to be an apperatus where you code in all your belongings that could go missing. You lose your keys? Beep beep beep. Pick gone missing? Bupbupbup. Wallet gone? etc.

But maybe I'm the only one constantly misplacing things.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 7 2013, 09:23 AM

Man - I can tell you a story about this sort of stuff Check it out:

In May this year, I had a gig with Days of Confusion and when we left downtown to eat something, I forgot my two PRSs in the cab... I can't describe the panic between 5-6 people calling various cab companies - as we didn't remember which cab company we took. Anyway, it seems that a superior force likes me a lot and I stumbled on that very cab, about 10 minutes later on the road I am seriously thinking of getting a tracking device for my guitars when I leave home

Posted by: vonhotch Sep 9 2013, 07:27 PM

The 7075 is a bit brighter, maybe more "clingy", more of an open sound than the 2024 which is a bit darker and fuller sounding. I don't necessarily notice one being heavier than the other though.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Sep 9 2013, 07:32 PM

Oh, damn! That MUST have been panic! I'm glad you got them back and that some divine force granted you some luck that day!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 10 2013, 08:49 AM

Yes mate - someone up there gave me a 'Like'

Posted by: Headbanger Sep 30 2013, 03:12 PM

Thanks Vonhotch...They arrived today! They look/feel awesome! I have to try them now! I pictured them on my hand with two Jazz III a standard and XL for reference purposes...I thought this would be the best place to post this!



Edit: I have just tried these picks and have the following to report! : Wow
Each feels different in my fingers and I'm not sure which shape I will favour in the future...however none feel awkward so far (I have just played an hour...swapping the three Vonhotch shapes...and also occasionally trying one of the plastic picks. My first thoughts were...the VonHotches sounded slightly brighter (to be expected with Alluminium) than the plastic picks...Somehow my notes seemed cleaner as well (I don't know if that's true...but that's the feeling I'm getting). The other amazing thing was how fast the VH seem to pick across the strings...seriously...there is a difference in speed between plastic and the VH picks. The plastic ones seemed to have a friction that I hadn't noticed before...but in comparison to the VH its easy to Notice. I have to say...VonHotch isn't paying me to say this either! But I like playing with these new toys...they have become a bit addictive. This has surprised me as I didn't think I would like them...But I honestly do!!
Cheers Again Vonhotch...and I must congratulate you on you work...and excellent craftsmanship/Invention.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Sep 30 2013, 04:45 PM

Exactly! About the clean bright sound - I noticed it when playing Cemetery Gates from Pantera - all through the clean section it sounded so bright, even and beautiful!

Silly little clean test I did with a Vonhotch pick

Posted by: Todd Simpson Sep 30 2013, 08:46 PM

Spiff eh? I noticed the same thing about the INCREASE IN SPEED AND STRING TRAVERSE!!!

The pics seem to glide between the strings where as the plastic picks almost seem to get stuck and require more effort. There is a "fluidity" of play in the Von picks that I just don't feel when using plastic picks.

Congrats on your new picks!!

Todd

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 1 2013, 03:24 PM

Cool!!! Thank you very much, Rod. I will be happy to trade picks for art anytime! The smoothness is a really cool feature. In fact it makes a really great nut material too, I think. I used some 7075 for the nut on the guitar I made. And some 6061 for the bridge.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 1 2013, 09:28 PM

Thought I would add these for size comparison

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 2 2013, 04:04 AM

Look what I have coming in the mail! I can hardly wait! Thanks to Vonhotch for helping me pimp my axe.

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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 2 2013, 11:59 AM

Thanks to a Facebook photo I've seen today, I finally understood what these are Great work!

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 3 2013, 04:47 PM

Hmmm. Pimp my axe. Sounds like a reality show in the making. Next we will be adding several tv's and hydraulics.

The plastic rings always bug me for some reason. I have been making these for my guitars, and I like to give the edge some file work inspired by the kind of thing you would find on the spine of some custom knives.

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 4 2013, 04:00 AM

Hydraulics!? Thats all I need is for my guitar to bounce ,east LA lowrider style!
I'll post some pics when I get those rings installed.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 4 2013, 08:33 AM

Oh my god! You are making knives????? You are my hero mate! You are the closest thing to a swordsmith that I know!

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 4 2013, 02:09 PM

Unfortunately this is not my knife. I have been wanting to try my hand at knife making for a few years now, I have a piece of steel with patterns all laid out and waiting to be cut. The funny thing is, it has foiled every attempt I have made to cut it so far. It's not even hardened yet! When I finally got a band saw it took the teeth right off the blade. Guess I need to invest in a better blade.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 5 2013, 12:31 PM

Ah mate! I would be so thrilled to see how you make a blade and a knife eventually - uh oh, I remembered - there's this awesome documentary which you must see:

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 9 2013, 01:45 AM

I enjoyed that Documentary quite a bit! I'd seen it already and thought it was fascinating That guy builds one of these special Viking Swords and it's pretty darn amazing!!

But I really popped in to share some awesome VONHOTCH PICKS!! I just got these!!! Some new OCTAVIOUS Sizes One is very thin and has a very sharp spiff sound, one is REALLY BIG and sounds VERY HEAVY Love em!!




Here are all three sizes, thin, med, crazy bada**

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 9 2013, 08:18 AM

Can't wait to get the new ones Von has sent to me! Mine are not going to be so chunky as that Octavious tho

Posted by: Headbanger Oct 9 2013, 11:18 AM

Update: I'm still using these picks and no other every day! Love the names of these picks...I Have the full set: The Octavius,The Invader, The Flying Dutchman

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 9 2013, 04:05 PM

That's awesome. I love that kind of stuff. Taking a raw material like iron and actually making the steel you are gonna use. That is amazing. I love idea of the +Ulfberh+t They don't know who was making them, but it's amazing to this day. I would love to do something like that someday. I have no desire or need to be famous or remembered, but I would love to create something so amazing that is.

It also gave me an AWESOME idea for you.

That thick one is about 5mm of pure madness. It's got an oblong hole too, to fit Todd's thumb better. It's also a good picture to see the new markings so people can tell the difference in alloy. 2 dots is 2024 3 dots is 7075. Adds a bit of character I think.



Thanks for the update. Do you have a favorite yet? I wanted the names to be cool an memorable. Todd get's some credit again for helping choose some.




And speaking of names I have made this new pick. It is gonna be my signature pick. A little smaller than the Invader, white, 2024, and lotsa holes Still working on a name for it.

Posted by: Headbanger Oct 9 2013, 07:08 PM

I think the Flying Dutchman will probably be the one I use the most. It sits in my fingers more naturally than the the others. The Octavius and The Invader are slightly longer 28/mm than a Jazz III 25mm that I am more used to. The Invader is a fraction shorter 24 mm and also less round edged for a snugger fit. I also like the way it is 3 sided..I can pick it up without looking or spinning it around and I'm ready instantly. However, I still like other two because they make me play slightly differently with that extra couple of mm in the fingers..they slightly change the dynamic which in turn changes my playing....that's good in my opinion.
The new pick looks good!...If its a signature one surely it will have to be a VH1!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 10 2013, 02:51 AM

I gotta say I still love the PROTOTYPE!! I would really love a Black Powder Version in the new metal about the same size of the prototype with maybe a bit more like the BIG octavious in terms of the cut of the bevel/point. Would that be Possible?


Todd

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 10 2013, 02:25 PM

VH1.

That's what I like about the Dutchman also. You would probably like the new pick I am working on it is almost exactly the size of a Jazz III. I like small picks, the smaller the better, I might even shrink it down a bit more.

Sure thing. Just have to remember the exact blend of magic I used on that one. Was before I had set patterns. Somehow that one came out extra special.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 11 2013, 09:20 AM

I think that marking the picks in respect to the alloy used is a great idea - I know how frustrated I was when I wanted to tell you which one I liked best and I simply couldn't because I didn't know which one was which

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 11 2013, 04:22 PM

As you can see in this pic, I received my Von Hotch pics and I have fallen in love with them. This is the feedback that I have given to the creator:

"Hi mate, I took some days because I wanted to see if my first impression was real but now I can confirm that I've fallen in love with your picks!
I can get a more precise picking and also a brighter tone, which gives even more definition at higher speeds.
I feel more comfortable with the normal shape, because I think it's much more versatile. I can get the precision that I get with Dunlop Tortext Sharp but feels good for rhythm and Cirse stuff. So I can go from Shredding to punk rock songs easily without problem. Compared to the picks that I'm used to, it's a bit smaller but I think that I can get used to it soon. I've already used it on Cirse's rehearsals, at the studio and will surely use it this Saturday at a gig.
The sharp model is incredible for fast playing. You really have to pick strongly and the result is like a machine gun. So it's cool to have one of these for this type of uses. Just as an alternative for me."

I will be using this pics tomorrow at a festival in which plays bands like Aerosmith, Whitesnake, Buckcherry and many more!

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 11 2013, 04:35 PM

What!? The VH Special!? I am gonna need 2 of those, they're small.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 12 2013, 08:23 AM

Hehe - Gabe, I see that you are slowly getting bewitched I was in the same situation as you in the beginning - 'I will use them as an alternative' but somehow, I am only using them now

Posted by: jstcrsn Oct 12 2013, 03:13 PM

is there any thing that you can patent with these things
you need to if you haven't already

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 13 2013, 01:03 PM

Might be the alloys used? The shapes are popular and have been used a long time since. I think it's difficult to patent them, but let's brainstor some ideas and help the man

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 14 2013, 02:32 PM

Recommended by 4 out of 5 THRASH METAL GURU'S. I think the 5th was a dentist. Thanks Gab!

The smaller they are the easier to loose then you will have to buy more. Muah ha ha.


Hmm. Good thought. Maybe some patented grip hole technology? I will have to look into it a bit. I like to think that some of the magic comes from the fact that they are all a little bit different due to the nature of being made by hand and not carved out in some CNC machine.

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 14 2013, 04:22 PM

Ha! Yeah, I am guilty of losing the first one I got from you. But now when I am done using them , I put them back into the nice little individual mini ziplock you send them in.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 15 2013, 01:55 AM

This is true, I'm becoming addict. I am also very scared of losing my favourite one. I'm all the time paying attention where I put it because we all know about the "loosing the picks" phenomenon that the guitarists suffer.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 15 2013, 08:02 AM

Now that they are colored - the new ones I am about to receive are black and white, they will be easy to spot on the carpet, which is grey I hope

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 15 2013, 02:32 PM

hehehe that's a good trick. mines are black.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 16 2013, 03:46 PM

Trying them on a banjo up here in the mountains I have a story to tell of course - check out the Practice room a bit latter on

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 16 2013, 11:44 PM

I actually tried one on my Mandolin the other day and liked it quite a bit!!

I wanted to take a moment to congratulation Vonhotch on the WILD success of his pick line Also huge props to the entire GMC family for supporting one of our own!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 17 2013, 05:15 PM

Well, they work just as well on a banjo - things are a bit difficult because of the string tension and the high action. Got a bit of work on my hands because of this and since it's not mine, I can't tweak it

Posted by: Headbanger Oct 17 2013, 05:24 PM

I have been using Vonhotches on my acoustic guitar and they make it sound brighter and better..it rings nicely now...its solved something that has been bugging me for a while. I was jamming last night with acoustic guitars at my friends house around the corner and he borrowed one of my precious Vonhotch picks and liked it so much he pretended not to find it when I was leaving. Of course I now have it back (I had to kill my friend first)

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 18 2013, 03:57 AM

Point him to vonhotch.com Von can make him some special picks just for himself!!! That way he won't have to "borrow" yours

I keep mine under lock and key!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 18 2013, 05:42 PM

Oh man... I showed my friends with which I am playing tonight one of my VH picks - they were all astounded - my... a metal pick? How does that sound... Let's see... OH! OH! And you all know the story after the 'OH's

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 19 2013, 02:26 AM

Here are some Pics of Picks!!! I'm working with VON on a "Signature" line for Shreddy folks and such The thinner ones seem to work AMAZINGLY well on my 6 string since they have nearly Zero FLex/Bend. I used to use a 1.5 acetyl clayton or Vpick since it took that thickness to reduce flex. These are made of Metal so you can get stiff picks without the need for extra thickness!

The one in the middle works AMAZING on my 7 String. The extra heft really helps the pick feel balanced even on heavy strings like the LOW B. The weight of the pick acts as a counter balance reducing hand fatigue

The BIG MONSTER works great on my 8 String!!!!! Same reasons as the middle pick but scaled up for the LOW F#.

Tedious Disclaimer
***Owning/Using these picks does not guarantee you magic/instant shredding ability. You'll still need to practice!!


WHEW!!!! Saved severals responses in on go!! So there's that settled On to the pictures!!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 19 2013, 09:06 AM

Congrats on the new line of shred mini machines Todd and VH How will they be called?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 21 2013, 05:29 AM

They already had a name which is handy They are called the OCTAVIOUS line. I"m trying to decide on a the variables for one certain pick. The trouble I'm having is that I like a different version of the Octavious depending on which guitar I'm playing. I"m really liking this new thin one for 6 string, the original middle one for 7 and the HUGE one for 8 string

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 21 2013, 01:00 PM

Why not create a special all around pack I mean they could be sold separately or in two pairs combined - that could make a really new sort of package for picks designed for the multi instrument owner that needs a special touch for each of his babies That's how I see it.

VH - if you are reading this - what's your opinion mate?

BTW - I just received the new picks Awesomeness, now I can't decide which one I like best!

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 21 2013, 01:57 PM

I love how they make my acoustic sound also. Mine is all Koa and Mahogany, and is a bit darker sounding which I like and the picks compliment it well.

I like this idea, I was actually thinking the same thing reading this. An extended range shredders pack would be awesome. Todd knows exactly what he wants in a pick and we just about have it nailed down. Should be pretty awesome!!!!!! I'm really excited to unleash it.

I'm glad they made it. The difference between material is subtle, but there is some. Looking forward to your thoughts on them, now that you know which is which.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 21 2013, 07:26 PM

I think that's a BRILLIANT IDEA Cosmin!!!! And VonHotch is psychic as he thought it as well!! Never even occurred to me but BINGO!!!!!

So it could be a Single for each
6string Version, 7 String Version, 8 String Version or the ARMAGEDDON Pack with all three

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 22 2013, 08:41 AM

Well, creating a great design for the package could also be a great idea VH - have you thought about creating a package design/artwork that describes each pick type as close to perfection as possible? I would see a cartoonish style approach on this idea - something that illustrates the name of the pick What do you think?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 22 2013, 08:56 AM

That's also a great idea You are on a roll Cos!!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 22 2013, 09:37 AM

Let's just say I am doing this pretty much often

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 22 2013, 06:05 PM

That has been in the back of my mind. I have also been thinking about giving the picks their own brand name, and not lump everything I do now or will do under "The Art of Von Hotch". Keep art and picks and anything else in seperate areas. Then come up with more of a logo that represents the name and brand, and maybe some individual packaging.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 23 2013, 12:36 AM

Practice makes perfect, even with business! I appreciate how you balance music and biz. It's a really tough balance to pull of gracefully.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 23 2013, 07:45 AM

Aye, that's what I had in mind Why not stack all the names of the picks here and we can make a brainstorming so that we can select what elements/terms we can relate to each name and thus find the right inspiration for you to create the images I think that it could be a good starting point, IF you haven't already thought about it and know what they should look like. Have you?



Thank you Todd, but trust me, it's a very tough balance. Sometimes, there are days when I'd run away in the mountains and never come back to civilization But as much as I'd love to stick to only making music, there's simply too much at stake regarding my family and future endeavors to quit everything else so, I decided to try and keep the balance as I cannot live without music and can't yet live off it Pretty ironic, innit?

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 24 2013, 02:06 AM

BRAINSTORMING!!!!! Good call Never hurts to have loads of ideas to choose from! I think the basic shapes have overal names but inside of that they could be named further I think. For example, the OCTAVIOUS is a general shape with a hole in the center, but as the thickness, material and bevel can all change, naming the sub types could really be a big help! E.g OCTAVIOUS ASSASIN vs OCTAVIOUS GRINDER.

You really do make a good go of keeping the balance, even in your replies I've noticed. There is always a music focus but grounded very much in the real world. I really appreciate that.

Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 24 2013, 09:55 AM

Thanks again Todd I think that being a realistic dreamer can actually get me closer to seeing my dreams fulfilled, so that's what I am aiming for actually. Regarding the Octavious, I was thinking that maybe we could go for:

Octavious Sizeshifter 6 or 7 or 8 in respect to it's recommended usage - as you said, the shape stays the same but the dimensions are variable

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 24 2013, 03:35 PM

Names, ok. One idea I was thinking about for the overall brand name was "Metalli Regum Picks" or "Metalli Regum Picks by Von Hotch". It is latin for metal of kings. That is how aluminum was referred to years ago before a specific process for producing it was discovered, because it was more expensive to produce than gold.

For individual pick shapes we have,(from left to right) The Invader, The Octavius, and The Flying Dutchman.


I'm not sure how I feel about dividing the name down any further for different sizes, and thickness. I like it if there were a special custom addition say different grip holes or slight modification to the shape or special bevel. Or of course material, I am considering getting some other material to test with my next supply order.

For imagery on the packaging this is what comes to my mind
Invader: Bearded skull, viking helmet, skeleton hand holding invader pick.

Octavius: Though the name is based on an actual ship and story, what I keep envisioning is a stormy sea and large octopus type sea monster holding a ship in one tentacle and an Octavius in another.

The Flying Dutchman: Not sure I can't really get paste thinking about the cartoon Dutchman on Spongebob.


Oh and I do have one other design. The custom I am designing for myself. Though I am not real happy with the prototypes I have made. I think that will be moving to 3mm and from 2024 to 7075. And I think I might call it "The Black Baron". But then I guess I could not coat it white. The white baron doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 25 2013, 10:32 AM

I think that these are all great ideas! Let's see the designs for each package if you please and we'll take it from that point on

By the way - the fact that the picks are coated solved the fine aluminum dust issue in a proportion of 90%! Great job mate!! I'm writing my thoughts as I go using them

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 25 2013, 02:29 PM

Great news on the dust. I am also thinking of experimenting with an anodizing process soon.

Here is a couple quick sketches. I am on the down side (hopefully) of some of the worst artistic block I have ever had in my life, and these well...... SUCK. But you get the idea of what I was thinking. Everything will probably need to be compressed together more and moved around to fit on the small packages. But it's the general idea.


Anybody ever deal with these creative blocks? It's like things that would come so naturally would be impossible. So frustrating.

Posted by: bleez Oct 25 2013, 03:19 PM

That. Is. Awesome.
I must get me one of those.

Posted by: Headbanger Oct 25 2013, 07:09 PM

I think these ideas look good...keep playing with the roughs until your'e happy and do them in INK. Have you got a light box? Sometimes that helps in the planning and keeping bits of the roughs that you like...without redrawing everything..also for repositioning away from photoshop.
I have creative blocks all the time...Its just sometimes that I don't.
PM me if you want any help with anything.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 25 2013, 09:58 PM

I"m diggin it!! I was brainstorming some ideas and while we are at it!!!



METALLI ARCANUM Secrety Knowledge of Metal

METALLI NEX Metal Death/Death Metal

METALLI DRACONIS Metal Dragon


I like the Octopus imagery for the Ocatavious especially

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 25 2013, 10:30 PM

I cam up with this while brainstorming about the logo for the OCT

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 26 2013, 01:28 PM

What exactly is anodizing? I think the ideas are nice and I love the cartoonish stint I also like Todd's approach, more stylized - why not make a special VH Graphic Design and let everyone say what's on their mind Just like a little market study

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 26 2013, 05:05 PM

Anodized Aluminum.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-anodized-aluminum.htm

I think this is a great idea!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 27 2013, 04:06 PM

AAAAAAAAhh Got it now! I tried this experiment at chemistry in the 10th or 11th grade How could I forget this ..

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 28 2013, 02:48 PM

Thanks!

I don't normally ever "finish" a sketch. Usually if I draw something to finish I just use the sketch as a layout for painting. That is how I would probably do the final artwork for these, airbrush or something. I don't have a light box. I usually just draw the same thing terribly 4 or 5 times before I get one I like. I should try a light box. I did just get a graphics tablet for my computer, though the transition to digital paint is a bit tougher than expected. Part of the hold up on more or different art I suppose.



This is really cool. I like it!



Yup that's the stuff in that link. Though I wanted to try it as more of a coloring technique. Hopefully it won't make them too hard.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 29 2013, 09:19 AM

Nah man, I really like the new ones and I can't decide which one is the favorite - I'm guessing I'll go for the black one So 7075 it is!

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 29 2013, 09:38 AM

I got a little Von Hotch gear in the mail the other day so I thought I would share a couple before and after shots of my Kramer for folks to see how it came out. Thanks VH!, I wasn't sure I would like the new knobs at first but after putting them on along with the pickup ring I thought it turned out looking pretty sharp and a bit more modern maybe. I also thought the knobs might be a bit too tall but it hasn't been a problem. The trem arm doesn't hit the volume knob and it hasn't got in the way of my picking either so far. Nice job man!

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And after
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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 29 2013, 09:50 AM

Wow! Beautiful!!

Posted by: Headbanger Oct 29 2013, 11:36 AM

Looks great Rich!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Oct 29 2013, 01:49 PM

Looks very nice, Rich! I still love the colour of that guitar!

Posted by: vonhotch Oct 29 2013, 02:55 PM

Thanks for posting the pics. Glad you like them. They look great on there!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 29 2013, 11:40 PM

AK RICH: Is that a RG560 MIJ? If so CONGRATS that's a freaking FINE guitar. One of the best Necks they've ever built. Same specs as the "Super Wizard" that only comes on the Jcraft Customs. I usually like old Ibby's as pure stock but I've got to say these knobs really do add to it. Some additions can take away, but like adding American Racing mags to a 69 Camaro, this addition improves the piece. Good call

Todd

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 30 2013, 01:20 AM

NEW VON PICKS!!!!

These are candidates for my "Signature" line as it were I'm trying to make a pick design that will help just about anybody as they learn/work on their alternate picking and string traverse. These just glide over the strings. The extra heft/thickness makes them a great choice for down tuned/extended range/7/8 string guitars and bass. Of course they work great on 6 stringers as well

Posted by: AK Rich Oct 30 2013, 03:43 AM

Nah that's just my old beater, An 80's or 90's(not sure) model Kramer I picked up off of craigslist years ago. I love it because of the old school Floyd and the Warmoth neck with super jumbo's. The frets are so big it's almost like playing a scalloped fretboard!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 30 2013, 07:17 PM

Looking awesome Todd

Posted by: Todd Simpson Oct 31 2013, 02:10 AM

These are looking just KILLER aren't they!!! Well done VON!!

Posted by: bleez Nov 6 2013, 11:15 PM

Check out what appeared at my house yesterday




Thank you very much VH, Its brilliant, I really dig it
I must say that on my initial play, I was very surprised how comfortable it felt. Having seen various pictures of the octavious style pick I was expecting to spend a bit of time just getting use to it but not at all! I felt like Id been using it for ages

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 6 2013, 11:39 PM

Nice Pick!! Good call What you've described is exactly how I felt when I first got some VH picks in the mail I got an INVADER with my first OCTAVIOUS and I went straight for the invader as it's very close to my VPICK signature pick. But to my surprise, the funky looking, donut hole, Octavious felt way more natural in my hand and seemed to play better and traverse better. I was stunned. But I got over it and asked him to make me more of them!!!

P.S.here is a pick of some custom pickup rings I'm looking forward too!!



Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 7 2013, 08:14 AM

I guess I already told you guys that until some time ago, I had no clue what the pickup rings were... and I was looking at them and I still had no clue, until I saw them on a guitar

Posted by: vonhotch Nov 8 2013, 04:14 PM

Awesome. Always good to hear that my international shipments have made it safely. Glad you like it.

We are all learning, I had no idea that these weren't all a fairly standard size, til well....... I made some and found out the aren't.

Posted by: AK Rich Nov 8 2013, 06:01 PM

I know this story. It turns out that rings for active EMG pickups are not the same as a standard pickup , if there is such a thing.
I had to return a set of rings to him because the mounting holes didn't line up and the opening was too small. But Mr.VonHotch is tirelessly trying to rectify the situation and as he said to me , he is "All about the customer service" I have no doubts that he will come through in the end and I will have a great set of custom rings for my Ibanez. On top of that he sent me some nice new knobs to go on my kramer and one of the rings that didn't fit my Ibanez is on there as well since it fit the kramer perfectly. Not only that, I got this cool sticker that I now have to decide where I wanna stick. Thanks VH!

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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 9 2013, 09:14 AM

Establishing a long term relationship with your customers is what business is all about!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Nov 10 2013, 08:08 PM

Just noticed this thread has cracked 7,000 + views!! Folks are taking note

Posted by: AK Rich Dec 6 2013, 07:41 PM

My axe has been pimped with some Von Hotch gear! Here are some pics of the Ibanez with some new pickup ring bling. Thanks VH! And thanks for the spare Invader too!
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Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 7 2013, 09:29 PM

Very cool! I just got some new rings myself!

Posted by: vonhotch Dec 9 2013, 03:21 PM

Lookin good. Thanks for posting the pics!!!! These are the Grizzly proof design.

Can't wait to see them on your Razorback!

Posted by: AK Rich Dec 14 2013, 06:39 PM

Hahaa! Yeah the post office up here needs to quit hiring grizzlies to sort the mail.Thanks again for all the extra effort you put in to get these rings fitting properly VH, great job man!

EDIT: Oh yeah and PS, I noticed that the Invader pick that you sent this time along with the rings is a flat black rather than a gloss black like the first one you sent me. I like it man!, I think has a slightly better grip which is always a good thing, and of course it looks fabulous.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 17 2013, 12:36 PM

Looking great guys!

Posted by: vonhotch Dec 17 2013, 04:48 PM

Yea I like the flat black better myself. The first batch of picks was gloss black because that's what the guy doing them talked me into. Now I do the coating myself. MUCH CHEAPER!

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 7 2014, 11:16 AM

Your picks are evolving nicely, I keep seeing the pictures on facebook.

How do they sound and feel for more conventional strumming, rather than lead playing and riffing?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 7 2014, 11:38 AM

Very good question Have you ever considered making acoustic strumming picks? Under 0.5 mm thickness for instance? Is that possible?

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 7 2014, 11:45 AM

I have 3 favourite V picks

My main one is the Stiletto, I can strum, riff and get nice articulate picking with it, it's just a great size and shape for my hand
I also use the small pointed from time to time
Then the Dimension Jr, it is a great practice pick for me, nicely pointed but really quite thick which trains my hand and forearm to relax.

I am really tempted by the looks of the Von Hotch picks though

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 7 2014, 02:54 PM

I have not tried anything under the thinner 1.5 or so picks, mainly because I have been concerned about them bending. Regular picks are flexible and spring back, the aluminum would not. Probably would be ok for light strumming, but if one got too aggressive it would probably bend. I personally enjoy the thinner style but bigger shape for acoustic, and a thicker smaller for electric lead type stuff. They have a nice, slightly brighter fuller tone on my acoustic, which naturally has a darker sound.



Thanks. If you would like to try one hit me with a PM and I will send you one. You can check out what I've got made up at www.etsy.com/shop/theartofvonhotch and let me know what you might want to try.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 8 2014, 09:58 AM

Aye, you are right man I don't know how elastic Aluminum really is, but I am certain that if a solution would appear, the tone on the acustic guitar in respect to strumming and light picking (arpeggio based ideas mostly) would be great!

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 8 2014, 04:05 PM

Unfortunately I think if thin and flexible is what you need, aluminum is not gonna be the right material. But it got me thinking, on how a slightly curved or bent pick might conform to the thumb. Perhaps ergonomic. I have seen some ergonomic picks but I don't recall any with a curved shape.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 8 2014, 04:06 PM

Now that's an interesting idea!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 9 2014, 08:56 AM

Pfff... I am sure it's an interesting idea, but I can't imagine how it would look like.. Are there any available examples on the internet already, in respect to such a shape? Thanks a bunch man Haven't forgotten about our little talk last year - gonna get past the Days of Confusion new single/video release at the end of this month and then we can resume things

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 9 2014, 03:48 PM

I guess it would be something like these. http://www.gripguitarpicks.net/grip/ I found them on a quick search.

No worries. I figured you were busy. No rush.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 10 2014, 09:39 AM

Hmmmm - so that shape would prevent the bending? It seems hard to obtain out of aluminum..

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 10 2014, 03:46 PM

Actually I think that, that could help with preventing further bending on thinner material, now that you mention it. But I thought it might be a cool shape in general. I had experimented with some that had grooves for your fingers, which felt comfortable when holding them as meant to be, but as soon as they turned slightly in your fingers, it was not so good. Slightly curved may be a more comfy ergonomic option for the same effect. Guess I'm just thinking out loud.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 11 2014, 03:08 PM

Hmmm, I don't think I for one would be too much into such a shape, but I tried the VH picks you sent, on my acoustic and the tone is great, but for strumming neh neh So I am curious to hear what ideas you can come up with in respect to this

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 15 2014, 02:34 AM

(Drumroll Please)......

BOATLOADS OF AWESOME!!!!!!


My "Signature" Model VONHOTCH.com pick is finally ready for COMBAT TESTING!!!!! I have been working with our own Magic Pick Mac vonhotch to come up with a design that works well for experienced shredders as well as folks just getting started. This pick is different from anything I've tried before and it's AMAZING.

It would make a great "Training Pick" if you are working on your alternate picking, and it makes a great lead pick if you are well in to your playing and perhaps being held back a pinch by your current pick.

THE SECRET SAUCE!!!!

The pick is THICK (which I like a lot) and has ZERO flex/bend. Very precise. It' much thicker than what I normally play but it doesn't feel awkward. Indeed, the hole in the middle makes it the most comfy pick I've ever tried. It's about 3.00 mm which seems big til you try it. But the real SECRET SAUCE is the GAME CHANGING EDGE PROFILE. The pick has a nearly rounded curve from the pick point to the crest. So unlike every other pick I"ve ever tried, it just glides between strings. It never feels like it's getting "caught" between strings. This makes playing across strings (traverse) a breeze and reduces hand fatigue.

In short, this pick allows me to play longer, faster, and harder than ever before. I just LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!! Also added a custom color NIGHTMARE GREEN to match my two newest guitars that are green (LTD grave and BC Rich Gunslinger) not to mention that my black picks are REALLY HARD TO FIND WHEN DROPPED!!!

Posted by: AK Rich Jan 15 2014, 07:00 AM

I really like that color! It reminds me of "Mean Green" AKA Kawasaki Green, or even "Mopar Green" oldschool musclecar color.
It's a racing pick!

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Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 15 2014, 09:17 AM

Congrats Von and Todd! You guys made a good thing happen

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 16 2014, 06:04 PM

Took a lot of work to get these just perfect, but they are now AWESOME.

Ha ha, you got it right, the color was actually named "Kawasaki Green". I may to have to do something and give it a more METAL name



Thanks Cosmin.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 17 2014, 08:59 AM

You deserve it mate I got two friends wanting to order already - should I ask them to write straight to you?

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 17 2014, 02:36 PM

That's great! Are they in bands you know? They can do it however is easiest for them. They can check out what is in my store currently. Here... WWW.etsy.com/shop/theartofvonhotch, or can send me a message on facebook, or email me @[email protected]. Or can get linked to the store right through www.vonhotch.com

I'm preparing to upgrade my site in the next couple weeks to make things easier and more professional. I am also about to add some brand new Jazz picks (brand new design) to the store. And also I made my first acrylic pick the other day for a test, Acrylic my work better for the acoustic strumming we were discussing.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 19 2014, 08:52 AM

They are both arriving for private lessons today and I will pass on the information So, you decided to try another material What will the catch of this one be?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 24 2014, 01:22 PM

Look what arrived today!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 24 2014, 08:05 PM

Looking great mate The B-Breakers How will you name them?

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 25 2014, 08:07 AM

Nice, Mine should be here soon, I can't wait to put it through it 's paces.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 25 2014, 02:22 PM

I have 2 of them and I haven't yet managed to 'consume' them yet My favorite is the 7075 alloy and the black paint which is a bit more abrasive so it doesn't slip

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 27 2014, 03:22 PM

Hey, those look familiar. Glad they made it. What do you think so far?

Should be there soon. If it doesn't arrive for some reason, please let me know!



The 7075 seems to be by far more popular. I think it is better both as a pick and to work with. I am leaning towards only 7075 and moving away from the 2024. Also made my first acrylic pick the other day and seems to be a hit so far.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 28 2014, 09:39 AM

Well, we know that black abrasive paint and 7075 go well together I am still thinking of an idea in respect to the carving on the pick..

Posted by: vonhotch Jan 29 2014, 03:24 PM

I have experimented a little with electro-chemical etching. Similar to how a circuit board is etched. The results were promising, but that is as far as I got. It should allow me to put simple designs onto them, like band logo's or simple pictures or names. Looking into getting some more supplies to pursue it more.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 30 2014, 08:26 AM

I would be TOTALLY interested in having this done

Posted by: PosterBoy Jan 30 2014, 03:27 PM

I have received my Von Hotch Pic!

As I said before my go to pick is the V-Pick Stiletto, I told Von Hotch what sort of thing I liked etc and he was already working on a pick for himself that fitted my needs too.




So as you can see he nailed the size, it's a perfect size. It looks fantastic the drilled out grip holes as perfectly placed and shine like diamonds (as Rhianna might say) The quality of the pick in it's finish is flawless, I am seriously impressed, the powder coating is really hard wearing.

Now for the important bit the sound and playablilty

The pick is locked in place when you hold it thanks to the grip holes, the v-pick does feel secure but this takes it a stage further!

Sound wise there is a little more treble than the V-pick, it's more apparent with clean sounds, with overdriven sounds it comes across as a little more bite.

It's a quick pick and glides over the strings well. Where people have said the v-picks produce a chirp sound, this pick doesn't but can give you a slight scratchy sound on the wound strings but that isn't heard in the amplified sound, changing picking angle can reduce this too.

So my initial impression is that in looks it wins hands down against the Stiletto and is at least it's equal in playability and sound and that is no faint praise, because I dearly love the Stiletto.

A huge thanks to Von Hotch for sending me this. Now about the pink powder coating?!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jan 31 2014, 07:15 AM

Great description here mate - about that bite - that's the thing that I love most about these picks, they make things sound like they are living somehow Pretty darn amazing right?

Posted by: vonhotch Feb 3 2014, 05:27 PM

That would be great. I will let you know when I have done some more experimenting.

Wow. Thanks for the great write up. I'm glad you like it!!! Pink powder coat is doable.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 4 2014, 02:14 AM

These picks are honestly amazing. I've still got all of my Vpick Signature Picks that Vinni made for me and I do use them sometimes but when I go back to the Vonhotch it's just night and day in terms of tone/easy of play etc. The VONHOTCH OCTAVIOUS that von made me has a unique rounded curved edge that makes string traversing a breeze.

It's a very unique design and makes playing easier. Also the vpicks did "chirp" a bit, just part of their tonal character. The Von picks don't chirp and seem more precise, more planted in the hand, easier to traverse strings, etc.

In short, it's the best pick I've ever touched bar non and I"ve tried more picks than I can count.

Great write up on the benefits and welcome to the VONHOTCH club!!


Todd

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Feb 4 2014, 09:12 AM

Really looking forward to it man I mean, that would be the ultimate pick for me - both playable and branded with the mark of my brain child!

Posted by: vonhotch Feb 7 2014, 03:41 PM

Yes, this would be great, and would be great to put any design and finally my name on some of them. My initial cob job of a test was very promising so with the right stuff should work well. I have been going in so many directions, it got put on the back burner for a bit, but soon I should be ready to try more. Who knew it would be so much work to start a business.

I had also looked into a laser engraver but even the cheapest one I could find (about $600) was hard to justify the price at this point.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Feb 8 2014, 08:06 AM

Ay man - trust me, I know that struggle very well

But I also know that each investment should come at a proper time, so don't worry, I'm sure that you will find a solution for the engraving and I will be around to get those beautiful, great playing picks

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 14 2014, 09:04 PM

VonHotch is going to add custom pickup covers to his line of spiff guitar bits and I got first dibs!!! Here are my new set. They are going to cover my HOMEWRECKER PUNISHER pickup set.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 15 2014, 09:00 AM

Wow! This looks totally rad! Even if I know it's not so, they seem very prone to rust!

Posted by: jstcrsn May 15 2014, 01:17 PM

I don't think aluminum rusts

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu May 16 2014, 01:45 PM

It was a joke mate I should've underlined 'seem '

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 17 2014, 06:28 PM

These are the first pair and I just love em Going next week to have them installed with pickups.

Posted by: SixStringSamurai May 17 2014, 08:03 PM

Any metal can oxidize (rust) given the right conditions.

Those pickup covers look AWESOME.

Also, stay tuned GMC, next week my website Six-String Samurai is doing a giveaway with Von Hotch, featuring a few of the Premium Line as well as Signature Series picks from our very own Gabriel and Todd!

Posted by: Spock May 17 2014, 08:08 PM

I love the way the one on the right looks. Recently I have been trying to get a good textured feel in my picks of choice. I have tried many picks, but I have to always go back to these...




I've tried roughing one up a little, but seeing those holes in the pick above - I think that may be the perfect pairing of what I'm looking for.

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 17 2014, 10:07 PM

Well spiff!!!! Looking forward to it!!!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 6 2014, 04:40 AM

New Pick from VONHOTCH!!! Using in chat Sat/Sun!

Posted by: Chris S. Dec 6 2014, 07:46 PM

An Octavius is on my X-mas list

Posted by: Todd Simpson Dec 6 2014, 07:58 PM

Octavious is my FAVE!!!!!!!!! Pick I do like trying all the others though!!! I"m always trying his new pick designs for giving him feedback. He's just AWESOME at inventing new pick shapes and such. This one in the picture above is a sort of modified Octa but I don't think it has a name yet as it's a "proto"!!

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Dec 7 2014, 09:28 AM

I for one like the Invader It resembles the shape of a Jazz III but it has the twang of the Von Hotch special alloy Great weapon indeed!

Posted by: vonhotch Dec 10 2014, 02:56 PM

It's an Invader with an Octavius hole. Every once in a while I get bored and make something different. I made a Gypsy with the holes in the shape of a peace sign the other day. Unfortunately I dropped it down somewhere into a dark abyss behind something in my shop and it is lost.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 14 2015, 09:14 PM

A couple of new VONHOTCH PICKS!!! One is made out of GRAPHENE? Maybe VON can tell us more?

Posted by: AK Rich Apr 15 2015, 06:38 AM

Graphene!? Whoa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene

It won't cut my guitar strings will it? Looking forward to hearing more from Mr VH. I might have to buy one just so I can say that I have one.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 16 2015, 03:20 AM

Won't cut strings no Very interesting pick! Has a unique feel and tone! I say get one

Posted by: mad Apr 16 2015, 09:01 AM

Got mine yesterday
played a couple of hours with the invader - awesome!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 16 2015, 09:19 AM

Congrats!! Welcome to the VONclub I just love his picks to death. Enjoy!!

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 17 2015, 09:10 AM

A few more glamour shots of killer picks

Posted by: vonhotch Apr 18 2015, 04:51 PM

Graphene is super cool stuff. Layers of carbon one atom thick!!! One of it's best features it the way it conducts. It's so efficient at conducting and transferring heat that it can slice straight through an ice cube with just the heat from your fingers.
Cool as it maybe it doesn't make a great pick. This one is a total novelty. "The most high tech pick ever". It is pretty soft and brittle and will have a real short lifespan (especially in Todd's hands ). It's also fairly expensive.

Fun stuff though.
https://youtu.be/_Unr3Eu8Rpc

That's a killer pick can!