Hearing Flat With Headphones
wrk
Mar 24 2014, 05:41 PM
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Hi Guys,

In the topic “Vibrato Bends Question” i have tried to explain an issue to hear pitches correctly when recording. It’s something which bothered me for quite some time, but never tried to really understand whats going on.

To recap my problem: When recording a solo i often have difficulties to evaluate the pitch of some bends, mostly on some tiny spots with quick bends or pre-bends. Well aware of technical inability’s on the guitar, i somehow thought my ears were not too bad, always something to improve ofc. Still wondering why i hear these pitch issues, but not instantly or direct after playback.

Searching the internet i found some interesting discussions about a similar issue. Often a singer tend to sing flat when recording with headphones. I figured, singing is somehow comparable to string bends as the player actively manipulates the pitch. I assumed the pitch issue has something to do with high overtone frequencies, which are more or less audible on different speakers. I guess that was a wrong approche.

What i found out, increased volume does effect pitch perception, especially with headphones. There are different explanations, like lower frequencies are perceived a bit flat in pitch and the singer tries to adjust to this or bass frequencies modulating the mid and high frequencies. Maybe both, don’t know what is exactly happening, but the effect seems similar to what i experience. For different reasons i mainly use headphones for practicing and recording and over the process i slowly turn up the volume bit by bit to get me rocking. Not extremely loud but yeah, it’s not on "meditation level" laugh.gif

Just thought it might be interesting for some of you. Keep your volume low when working on your bends and pitch and maybe try to avoid headphones all the time! Everything can be learned, but it's sometimes good to get aware of what is happening smile.gif

Anyone have similar experiences or thoughts on this?








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- wrk   Hearing Flat With Headphones   Mar 24 2014, 05:41 PM
- - huargo   Hi! i always use headphones when i'm recor...   Mar 24 2014, 05:53 PM
- - tonymiro   QUOTE (wrk @ Mar 24 2014, 05:41 PM) Hi Gu...   Mar 24 2014, 05:55 PM
|- - Mertay   To add; Fletcher Munson effect's the levels of...   Mar 24 2014, 06:41 PM
|- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 24 2014, 06:41 PM) To...   Mar 28 2014, 08:43 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (tonymiro @ Mar 28 2014, 07:43 PM) ...   Mar 28 2014, 09:13 PM
|- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Mertay @ Mar 28 2014, 09:13 PM) Th...   Mar 28 2014, 09:20 PM
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- - klasaine   In my experience, both with headphones and speaker...   Mar 24 2014, 07:15 PM
|- - Darius Wave   QUOTE (klasaine @ Mar 24 2014, 07:15 PM) ...   Mar 25 2014, 12:38 PM
|- - klasaine   QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Mar 25 2014, 04:38 A...   Mar 25 2014, 05:15 PM
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- - jstcrsn   when recording at home, I have found if I pull one...   Mar 25 2014, 12:36 AM
- - Todd Simpson   First question would be what headphones are you us...   Mar 25 2014, 03:22 AM
|- - wrk   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Mar 25 2014, 03:22 ...   Mar 25 2014, 10:18 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   Those are fine cans Don't think they are the ...   Mar 28 2014, 10:37 PM
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- - wrk   Thank you guys for your thoughts !! So ba...   Mar 25 2014, 09:44 AM
|- - klasaine   Neither of these (great!) takes have any bendi...   Mar 28 2014, 09:15 PM
|- - SeeJay   Sounds fine here. You're playing the blues, b...   May 12 2014, 08:36 PM
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- - Gabriel Leopardi   I've never experienced this issue. I use to p...   Mar 25 2014, 01:45 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 25 2014, 12...   Mar 25 2014, 06:16 PM
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- - wrk   Sorry, i have been away for a few days in the beau...   Apr 4 2014, 08:50 AM
- - klasaine   IMO, unless you have to match another lead or melo...   Apr 4 2014, 08:58 AM
- - Blue Willy   I've never had this issue with cans in the stu...   May 13 2014, 12:57 AM
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