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Posted by: jawilco Oct 9 2011, 07:29 AM

Hi,
I'm trying to make a modes tutorial, and hoped that you could take a look and offer an opinion.
It's also a three forms for all scales approach that I am using.
This is just a preliminary with no sound, but here goes.
I'd really appreciate your feedback.
Thank you.
Jim



/Users/wilcox/Desktop/2011-10-09_0219.swf

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Oct 9 2011, 09:33 AM

Sorry, cannot view the link it's incomplete?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 10 2011, 02:22 AM

neither me!

Posted by: jawilco Oct 10 2011, 02:52 AM

So sorry about that, I'll have to see what the issue is and repost.
Thank you.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Oct 10 2011, 06:55 AM

Looking forward to it

Posted by: jawilco Nov 17 2011, 05:29 PM

Sorry this took so long, but I've been busy with some other issues lately.
This is a youtube video of my question on modes/scales.
There are some mistakes, and I'm not a pro videographer, but I hope you get the idea of my question.
Thanks
Jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ZdhJjh0GE

Posted by: dark dude Nov 17 2011, 06:32 PM

As a tutorial, it needs to contain more concise statements, rather than rambling. I'd note down the points you want to make, and write-out smaller points below that (or even type-out your entire dialogue beforehand).

As a question, I'd say if it works for you, that's great. If you're searching for easier options, personally, I'd train my ear to be able to recognise each mode - to be able to pick out their signature combination of intervals.

If you know the intervals, you can learn what they look like on the fretboard, and through exercises, you can become faster at forming those modes.

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However, certain situations, such as playing modes at speed, won't allow you enough time to figure the notes out. I'd take it slowly and burn the modes into memory through ear training and small runs, moving to progressively larger runs. There's no rush.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Nov 17 2011, 09:00 PM

In my opinion, I've gone through many of these combos myself, and I think you are giving yourself a longer route, and overcomplicating things. It could be that your photographic memory and intelligence is more advanced and you are looking for ways to find meaning in patterns. That's fine. But in simple terms:

- learn the complete diatonic pattern
- practice the modes over chords to get to know how they sound and feel instead of look

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Nov 18 2011, 10:57 AM

Exactly! Modes are about sounds, not positions - you can have a certain note in a lot of positions on the neck. I would try the following approach:

- find out which the characteristic note(s) define(s) each mode
- try to sing that note in all its positions on the neck
- try to sing the note against as many chord types as possible (the ones which are appropriate to sing that particular mode over) ex: Dm9 is a good chord to play the Dorian mode over. The characteristic note of the D Dorian mode is the 6th step, so play the B note against the Dm9 (B is the 6th step of the D Dorian mode)

Do this with all the modes and see what you discover