Discussion : Gmc Endorsement/validation Program
Andrew Cockburn
Jan 23 2009, 07:43 PM
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Kris, Smells and I have been chatting this week about Dave Walliman's excellent idea of using lesson difficulties as some sort of progress or rank indication at GMC - we threw a few ideas around and have come up with a basic idea, but we wanted to throw this out to you, the members for some open discussion and brainstorming!

The basic idea is that GMC members can earn points by playing a lesson to a competent level - this could start out as a kind of honor thing, but eventually could be made into some sort of validated GMC diploma perhaps, with support in the site to handle this if it takes off.

We basically figured out that there are 2 separate important measures, both based on lesson levels, and completion of individual lessons to a satisfactory level. Adding the number of lessons completed over time will give an indication of keenness and also breadth of experience, whereas averaging them would give a good indication of skill level. We agreed that both were important, and would prevent someone getting to a high level by playing many low level lessons - if I learn 10 level 1 lessons I am not the same player who learns 1 level 10 lesson. The first is more diverse but less skilled - the second is more skilled, less diverse. With the 2 scores in place, this would be better reflected, as player one would have a score of 10 but an average of 1, the second would have a score of 1 but an average of 10. We could call the number of lessons completed the "Experience" and the Average difficulty the "Level"


Player 1 : Ex=10,Lvl=1
Player 2 ; Ex=1,Lvl=10

I actually think that gives a very useful track of what each player has achieved - what do you guys think?

The next step is to decide how to track this - initially we decided to start simply as we always do, with a thread that we could rollup the sores into so that everyone could see how it works out, or perhaps a wiki page. Ultimately this could be added as a part of the site. We would also want to reflect this somehow as a badge or level indication under each student's Avatar.

The next issue is how we adjudicate this - we kicked a couple of ideas around here - a panel of Seniors perhaps, but with some instructor input. I though it would make sense to allow the instructor who wrote the lesson to make a final determination but Kris pointed out that in some cases we no longer have access to the original instructors, so we discussed having an Instructor on the Panel who would perhaps have a veto or something similar. Since this was David's idea originally, perhaps he would help out here wink.gif

Next we need a name for this initiative - so far I have drawn a blank but I haven't spent much time on this - "GMC Validation Program" was my first attempt, Smells came up with "GMC Endorsement Program" - any other ideas out there? Also, this would be a voluntary program as some members would enjoy and benefit from having a structure to work within, other members will dislike this approach, and shouldn't feel compelled to take part.

Finally we need to figure out what all the levels are called - this is the fun part! It would be cool if we could separate the experience and level scores somehow and have a 2 part title that reflects both. Here are some ideas, but I need help with this!

Level (Average Lesson Hardness):

1 - 2 Guitarist
3 - 4 Player
5 - 6 Rocker/Shredder
7 - 8 Guitar Hero
9 - 10 Guitar God

Experience (Number of Completed Lessons):

1 - 20 Learning
21 - 40 Experienced
41 - 60 Accomplished
61 - 80 Very Eclectic
81 - 100 Ultimate


So a guitarist with experience 30 and Level 5 would be an "Experienced Rocker" (or "Experienced Shredder") if they preferred

Experience 65 level, 9 would get you "Very Eclectic Guitar Hero"

Experience 10, level 3 would be "Learning Player"

You get the idea, we probably need to tweak the level ranges and titles but what do you all think overall?

We are looking forward to some good input and lively debate on this - as ever, it is the GMC community that shapes GMC so we want to hear from you!

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- Andrew Cockburn   Discussion : Gmc Endorsement/validation Program   Jan 23 2009, 07:43 PM
- - jer   GMC - the first guitar training MMORPG Gonna grin...   Jan 23 2009, 07:48 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Yep, the levels and scores did remind me a little ...   Jan 23 2009, 07:53 PM
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- - Pavlov   I love this idea. If you work it out a bit more, I...   Jan 23 2009, 07:54 PM
- - Tolek   How can you come up with such an awesome idea? Som...   Jan 23 2009, 07:55 PM
- - Kristofer Dahl   Yes I think the idea of settingbot level & exp...   Jan 23 2009, 08:00 PM
- - jer   QUOTE Yep, the levels and scores did remind me a l...   Jan 23 2009, 08:01 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (jer @ Jan 23 2009, 02:01 PM) Let...   Jan 23 2009, 08:05 PM
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- - g-forcelover   Wow. I didn't know that I was an ultimate guit...   Jan 23 2009, 08:17 PM
- - jdriver   Just a suggestion.. the words Validation and Endor...   Jan 23 2009, 08:22 PM
- - utak3r   Heh... I'll give you an example from myself - ...   Jan 23 2009, 08:36 PM
- - Bondy   This idea sounds great too me, should help to get ...   Jan 23 2009, 08:41 PM
- - jer   QUOTE Heh... I'll give you an example from mys...   Jan 23 2009, 08:46 PM
- - fatb0t   Absolutely terrific idea...I would love to partici...   Jan 23 2009, 08:51 PM
- - skennington   First off, looks like the brainstorming has went w...   Jan 23 2009, 09:02 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Thanks guys, we are still digesting all the ideas ...   Feb 2 2009, 03:06 PM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   Great idea! It will be difficult to organize/s...   Jan 23 2009, 09:19 PM
- - enforcer   I want to be a level 8 Bard/Mage with Agent presti...   Jan 23 2009, 09:19 PM
- - fatb0t   What about you post your take of a lesson with a p...   Jan 23 2009, 09:22 PM
|- - Kristofer Dahl   QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jan 23 2009, 11:22 PM) Wh...   Jan 23 2009, 10:06 PM
||- - skennington   QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 23 2009, 04:0...   Jan 23 2009, 10:17 PM
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|- - kaznie_NL   QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jan 23 2009, 09:22 PM) Wh...   Jan 24 2009, 11:03 AM
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- - lcsdds   I really like this idea. Hopefully the powers tha...   Jan 23 2009, 09:23 PM
- - Ajmurrell   Love the idea guys This would be a huge reward ba...   Jan 23 2009, 09:24 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   Just great, will track this very closely!   Jan 23 2009, 10:11 PM
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- - OrganisedConfusion   I posted my brainstorming thoughts in the thread w...   Jan 23 2009, 09:33 PM
- - jer   I think a panel of instructors who vote PASS OR FA...   Jan 23 2009, 09:40 PM
- - Matt23   I'd love to see this happen.   Jan 23 2009, 09:52 PM
- - Toni Suominen   This sounds awesome, I really want to see how this...   Jan 23 2009, 10:14 PM
- - lcsdds   I think the best thing would be that it would enco...   Jan 23 2009, 10:16 PM
|- - Kristofer Dahl   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 24 2009, 12:16 AM) I ...   Jan 23 2009, 10:19 PM
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- - -Zion-   QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 23 2009, 10:1...   Jan 23 2009, 10:25 PM
- - Marek Rojewski   It will also work for GMC, as in order to prove th...   Jan 23 2009, 10:34 PM
- - superize   This sounds very interesting   Jan 23 2009, 10:35 PM
- - JVM   Sounds really good. It seems to me though, that if...   Jan 23 2009, 10:35 PM
|- - David Wallimann   Wow!It's funny how an original idea can go...   Jan 23 2009, 11:09 PM
|- - utak3r   QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 23 2009, 11...   Jan 24 2009, 12:03 AM
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- - DaniHel   Great idea!   Jan 23 2009, 11:08 PM
- - rokchik   This is so great Just another great initiative th...   Jan 23 2009, 11:08 PM
- - Canis   This is brilliant! As long as we stay polite a...   Jan 23 2009, 11:18 PM
|- - UncleSkillet   QUOTE (Canis @ Jan 23 2009, 05:18 PM) Thi...   Jan 24 2009, 03:17 AM
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- - Iluha   I actually love the idea just as it is, simple and...   Jan 24 2009, 02:41 AM
- - HAMWAGON   I actually quite like this idea but i think there ...   Jan 24 2009, 02:58 AM
- - Pedja Simovic   This all sounds great. I will definitely keep an ...   Jan 24 2009, 04:07 AM
- - Outlaw2112   Cool idea, makes you wanna practice more to upgrad...   Jan 24 2009, 04:12 AM
- - kahall   Another great idea. I have been working on my came...   Jan 24 2009, 06:10 AM
- - Mandos   This is a brilliant idea. I agree that posting a v...   Jan 24 2009, 07:08 AM
- - Ramiro Delforte   I think this is a great idea!!! The ...   Jan 24 2009, 07:31 AM
- - vampire14   a great idea indeed but it has a couple of issues ...   Jan 24 2009, 10:34 AM
- - Ivan Milenkovic   This is a more than a great initiative for GMC, as...   Jan 24 2009, 11:44 AM
- - kaznie_NL   I just thought of something, what if someone plays...   Jan 24 2009, 11:51 AM
- - Jakub Luptovec   Heh.. this idea was actually posted by me like a y...   Jan 24 2009, 12:31 PM
|- - Toni Suominen   QUOTE (Jakub Luptovec @ Jan 24 2009, 01:3...   Jan 24 2009, 12:48 PM
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- - utak3r   Ha, what Ramiro said is good... about styles   Jan 24 2009, 12:36 PM
- - Col Roberts   This is a great idea . I think the process of ...   Jan 24 2009, 01:05 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   Keep the ideas coming guys - this is some incredib...   Jan 24 2009, 05:55 PM
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- - Emir Hot   Great thread and great response. I'll keep fol...   Jan 24 2009, 07:42 PM
- - enforcer   Hey there, I had a brainstrom last night, and I tr...   Jan 24 2009, 09:20 PM
|- - Canis   QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 24 2009, 09:20 PM) ...   Jan 24 2009, 09:28 PM
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- - jer   Awesome. Esxcept I keep wanting the lowest level...   Jan 24 2009, 09:35 PM
- - Ivan Milenkovic   I'm for more than 5 categories, so we can inse...   Jan 24 2009, 11:46 PM
- - Fran   This is just awesome. I'm thrilled about this ...   Jan 24 2009, 11:46 PM
- - opeth.db   Very cool ideas and can't wait to get this rol...   Jan 24 2009, 11:55 PM
- - Col Roberts   How about something along these lines: Beginner.....   Jan 25 2009, 03:28 AM
|- - Velvet Roger   Awesome idea, with very nice input already. Lookin...   Jan 25 2009, 06:00 AM
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- - Mandos   I really like your suggestion Col Roberts.   Jan 25 2009, 08:33 AM
- - Alex Lewis   This could work really well if you put a new tab u...   Jan 25 2009, 09:53 AM
|- - Canis   QUOTE (Alex Lewis @ Jan 25 2009, 09:53 AM...   Jan 25 2009, 10:09 AM
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- - Jakub Luptovec   First of all, I think we should divide the categor...   Jan 25 2009, 10:35 AM
- - wrk   This is really an brilliant idea !! This...   Jan 25 2009, 11:48 AM
|- - David Wallimann   QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 25 2009, 05:48 AM) One q...   Jan 25 2009, 02:44 PM
||- - wrk   QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 25 2009, 02...   Jan 25 2009, 03:26 PM
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|- - Col Roberts   QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 25 2009, 09:48 PM) One q...   Jan 26 2009, 02:31 AM
|- - wrk   QUOTE (Col Roberts @ Jan 26 2009, 02:31 A...   Jan 26 2009, 10:17 AM
|- - Col Roberts   QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 26 2009, 08:17 PM) This ...   Jan 26 2009, 01:07 PM
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- - 29a   Is it just me or does the average seem to be the w...   Jan 25 2009, 01:51 PM
- - Sensible Jones   What a brilliant idea!!! With this kin...   Jan 25 2009, 02:28 PM
- - Marek Rojewski   Well I think the rule should be "grant points...   Jan 25 2009, 03:34 PM
|- - Smells   QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Jan 25 2009, 02:3...   Jan 26 2009, 11:20 AM
|- - David Wallimann   Or we could also simplify the whole thing... After...   Jan 26 2009, 12:54 PM
|- - Smells   QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 26 2009, 11...   Jan 26 2009, 01:31 PM
|- - kaznie_NL   QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Jan 26 2009, 12...   Jan 26 2009, 03:21 PM
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- - Jakub Luptovec   Theoreticaly, some easily setupable database could...   Jan 25 2009, 05:57 PM
- - Fran   +1 on the keep things simple at first. This is go...   Jan 26 2009, 05:33 PM
- - Praetorian   This is an AWESOME idea!!! It would g...   Jan 26 2009, 05:44 PM
- - lcsdds   I really think that the purpose of this whole prog...   Jan 26 2009, 09:00 PM
|- - Jeff   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 26 2009, 03:00 PM) I ...   Jan 26 2009, 09:35 PM
||- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Jeff @ Jan 26 2009, 09:35 PM) You ...   Jan 26 2009, 10:02 PM
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|- - purple hayes   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jan 26 2009, 03:00 PM) I ...   Jan 26 2009, 09:47 PM
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- - Ctodd   I was just thinking, and I had this thought. It w...   Jan 30 2009, 11:17 PM
|- - Col Roberts   Another suggestion for the program name ... GMC Ac...   Jan 31 2009, 09:22 AM
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- - Jenkinson   I support this idea, I would like to propose the ...   Jan 31 2009, 01:21 AM
- - Wabba   Great idea! Gives a reason to complete and upl...   Jan 31 2009, 09:34 AM
- - kaznie_NL   I want to repeat something I said earlier, I think...   Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM
|- - wrk   QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM)...   Jan 31 2009, 11:45 AM
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- - Jakub Luptovec   GuitarAccrecitationProgram? GAP? Map my GAP   Jan 31 2009, 10:07 AM
- - Jenkinson   I agree with wrk, I think a video is better for ev...   Jan 31 2009, 05:12 PM
- - Col Roberts   Would love to hear from Kris, Andrew and Smells on...   Feb 1 2009, 03:39 AM
- - fatb0t   I must say I'm very excited for this program. ...   Feb 2 2009, 06:54 PM
- - opeth.db   Definately fatbot. I am too really excited to get...   Feb 2 2009, 07:00 PM
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