Record Royalities, How Bill Nelson (Be Bop Delux and Red Noise) was screwed |
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Mar 30 2014, 04:58 PM
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This makes very sad reading:
http://www.jagshouse.com/music/billnelson.html One of the first albums I bought was Be Bop Delux's 'Sunburst Finish'. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Mar 30 2014, 07:38 PM
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Holy crap! So sad ... and all too common.
One of the coolest album covers of all time - and a great record. 
This post has been edited by klasaine: Mar 31 2014, 06:09 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Mar 31 2014, 01:11 AM
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Also a great example of how important it is to specify whose getting paid in any contract. In this case, they signed a contract stating the label only had to pay the legal entity set up by the bands manager. So when that entity went out of business, they no longer had any legal obligation to pay anyone anything.
Very sad, but a good lesson on knowing what's in ones contract! QUOTE (tonymiro @ Mar 30 2014, 11:58 AM)  This makes very sad reading:
http://www.jagshouse.com/music/billnelson.html One of the first albums I bought was Be Bop Delux's 'Sunburst Finish'. |
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Mar 31 2014, 06:23 PM
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Very true Todd - and sadly as Ken says it's all to common for people to sign rather iffy contracts.
I think this was one of the reason why Robert Fripp set his own label up as he never got royalites from all his time with King Crimson. He sued the label and won and then kindly shared that with the rest of the band members who also hadn't received any royalties. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Apr 1 2014, 08:44 AM
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That's more than sad to see this problem at such a high production level
 It's like taking the hope away that anything is wort doing....
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Apr 1 2014, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Apr 1 2014, 12:44 AM) That's more than sad to see this problem at such a high production level It's like taking the hope away that anything is wort doing....It can definitely influence how serious one is willing to be about their art making once they have to get a job and/or support a family. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 1 2014, 03:43 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 2 2014, 09:24 AM
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Probably we have to learn a lesson on others experience
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Apr 2 2014, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 1 2014, 09:26 PM) All he would have had to do is write a clause in the contract that transferred payments to him personally in the event the production company went out of biz. They were kids in the 70s when those contracts were written. Wide eyed and excited just to be able to make a record and be 'signed'. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 2 2014, 03:59 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 2 2014, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 2 2014, 03:55 PM) They were kids in the 70s when those contracts were written. Wide eyed and excited just to be able to make a record and be 'signed'. And also almost certainly very badly advised by their management and lawyer (if they had a lawyer). -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Apr 2 2014, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Apr 2 2014, 08:04 AM) And also almost certainly very badly advised by their management and lawyer (if they had a lawyer). Don't be so negative Tony  , I'm sure the management co. or the rec co. 'provided' them with a lawyer.
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Apr 2 2014, 04:13 PM
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I haven't asked him but I think Bill was only about 16 or 17 when they signed to Harvest and so as Ken says really only a kid.
QUOTE (klasaine @ Apr 2 2014, 04:11 PM) Don't be so negative Tony , I'm sure the management co. or the rec co. 'provided' them with a lawyer. . Our's did that for us as well to be 'helpful' to us (and we were screwed).
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