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Posted by: Ikaros Jan 19 2007, 09:55 PM

Updated News today on my http://yngwie100.home.comcast.net
website with details about Fender's new 2007 Yngwie Malmsteen Stratocaster!



Model numbers are now available for different color and neck combinations.

Guitar gearheads go check it out!

Posted by: fretdancer Jan 19 2007, 11:36 PM

Wow - scalloped fretboard
I always imagined it would be better to have scalloped frets but have never tried a guitar thats made that way - would love to try one though.

Posted by: Why Jan 20 2007, 04:34 AM

I'd buy it, but then again, I think Yngwie is talentless

Posted by: ezravdb Jan 20 2007, 06:14 AM

QUOTE (Why @ Jan 20 2007, 04:34 AM) *
I'd buy it, but then again, I think Yngwie is talentless


Why? huh.gif

Posted by: Why Jan 20 2007, 06:20 AM

I know many people say this, but it is true. Yngwie is too 'pick notes as fast as you can up and down a scale'.

Fair enough, he's got some good licks, but he's got no emotion in his playing. By emotion I don't mean bends and vibrato's I mean feeling something from the music. When I listen to his solo's I don't feel anything.

Posted by: Mark Schiewe Jan 20 2007, 08:22 AM

So if YOU don't feel anything that makes him talentless? jeez

Posted by: jete124 Jan 20 2007, 08:26 AM

Because you don't like him doesn't make him talentless, he has spent many years perfecting his play and is a world renown musician. Now i personally am not too into his music, but the man most certainly is talented.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 20 2007, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (Why @ Jan 20 2007, 04:34 AM) *
I'd buy it, but then again, I think Yngwie is talentless



A bit harsh - if you have such a strong/radical opinion we would also like to see some very strong arguments for it.

Posted by: ezravdb Jan 20 2007, 07:44 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 20 2007, 04:40 PM) *
A bit harsh - if you have such a strong/radical opinion we would also like to see some very strong arguments for it.


indeed mellow.gif

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 20 2007, 10:48 PM

I think the issue with Yngwie (I'm a huge fan) is that in the 80's the press and interviews made him appear arrogant. Yngwie just tells it like he sees it and his opinions can sound blunt. Plus he's very confident in his own abilities and doesn't hold back. Yet when anyone reads typed words you can get a way different impression that actually talking face to face with the man. I did, and he is very polite and nice to his fans. The most funny interviews is when they play a song from someone else and he gives his impression of it. Yngwie doesn't listen to the radio much so he is always shocked when he says their string bending is sharp or flat, etc. and they tell him that was so and so famous guitarist! Yngwie has perfect pitch so is just giving his honest opinion. Sometimes the truth hurts.

But I'm glad Yngwie is Yngwie and doesn't change his style to suit what is popular on the radio. He hates rap and thinks half these grunge and "new rock" bands shouldn't be giving lesson in magazines, they should be talking some lessons! At least the guitar solo is making a comeback in recent new bands.

In the past several years Yngwie has really settled down and has given up smoking and drinking completely. He plays tennis every day when he's home with his drummer and it shows. Yngwie is in his best shape since the 90's. All I can say is if you have a chance you must see one of his shows. He is very inspirational and doesn't compromize his style for anything. Love him or hate him, there is no denying that he is truely a living guitar legend.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 20 2007, 10:56 PM

QUOTE (Ikaros @ Jan 20 2007, 10:48 PM) *
I think the issue with Yngwie (I'm a huge fan) is that in the 80's the press and interviews made him appear arrogant. Yngwie just tells it like he sees it and his opinions can sound blunt. Plus he's very confident in his own abilities and doesn't hold back. Yet when anyone reads typed words you can get a way different impression that actually talking face to face with the man. I did, and he is very polite and nice to his fans. The most funny interviews is when they play a song from someone else and he gives his impression of it. Yngwie doesn't listen to the radio much so he is always shocked when he says their string bending is sharp or flat, etc. and they tell him that was so and so famous guitarist! Yngwie has perfect pitch so is just giving his honest opinion. Sometimes the truth hurts.

But I'm glad Yngwie is Yngwie and doesn't change his style to suit what is popular on the radio. He hates rap and thinks half these grunge and "new rock" bands shouldn't be giving lesson in magazines, they should be talking some lessons! At least the guitar solo is making a comeback in recent new bands.

In the past several years Yngwie has really settled down and has given up smoking and drinking completely. He plays tennis every day when he's home with his drummer and it shows. Yngwie is in his best shape since the 90's. All I can say is if you have a chance you must see one of his shows. He is very inspirational and doesn't compromize his style for anything. Love him or hate him, there is no denying that he is truely a living guitar legend.


That's interesting - I didn't know he had perfect pitch. I am also glad he recovered from his alcoholism (etc.) - last time I saw him perform live he was in a really bad shape.

Posted by: ezravdb Jan 20 2007, 11:25 PM

QUOTE (Ikaros @ Jan 20 2007, 10:48 PM) *
I think the issue with Yngwie (I'm a huge fan) is that in the 80's the press and interviews made him appear arrogant. Yngwie just tells it like he sees it and his opinions can sound blunt. Plus he's very confident in his own abilities and doesn't hold back. Yet when anyone reads typed words you can get a way different impression that actually talking face to face with the man. I did, and he is very polite and nice to his fans. The most funny interviews is when they play a song from someone else and he gives his impression of it. Yngwie doesn't listen to the radio much so he is always shocked when he says their string bending is sharp or flat, etc. and they tell him that was so and so famous guitarist! Yngwie has perfect pitch so is just giving his honest opinion. Sometimes the truth hurts.

But I'm glad Yngwie is Yngwie and doesn't change his style to suit what is popular on the radio. He hates rap and thinks half these grunge and "new rock" bands shouldn't be giving lesson in magazines, they should be talking some lessons! At least the guitar solo is making a comeback in recent new bands.

In the past several years Yngwie has really settled down and has given up smoking and drinking completely. He plays tennis every day when he's home with his drummer and it shows. Yngwie is in his best shape since the 90's. All I can say is if you have a chance you must see one of his shows. He is very inspirational and doesn't compromize his style for anything. Love him or hate him, there is no denying that he is truely a living guitar legend.


amen

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 12:07 AM

Well i also don't like Yngwie's music but i respect him because of the fact that he had some bad injury of his his hand and had to start practicing his technique almost from the beginning when he was already a shredder - so - my respect to him!

There will always be: "I like him!", "I don't!", "He sucks!", "No - you suck!" and stuff like that! But i always approach this from this side: you can only judge about how good he is when you reach his level of playing, of performance experience and record as many albums as he did and when you appear on 273468273 covers of guitar magazines. And i apply this to all guitarists.

So stay cool and practice!

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 21 2007, 12:18 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 20 2007, 06:07 PM) *
Well i also don't like Yngwie's music but i respect him because of the fact that he had some bad injury of his his hand and had to start practicing his technique almost from the beginning when he was already a shredder - so - my respect to him!


Yes, in his wild L.A. days he had a series of bad times. His manager stole all his money, his mother died, he got drunk and ran his car into a tree. He got a brain injury from that causing the hand to be retrained to play all over again! You have to be determined to get past that when almost dying and his guitar carreer could have been over.

Posted by: Steelkonsum Jan 21 2007, 12:25 AM

We are all talentless - Kris has taught us that. But yngwie spent some serious hours in gettin' his speed and licks, bends and whatnot upto his class and that is enough for me to respect him as a musician.

As most others in this thread I dont find his particular music very good but I can say that I am impressed by his technique.

So yea..maybe he is talentless, but his playing is impressing.

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 21 2007, 01:24 AM

Well can we agree his guitar is cool?

Most neoclassical guitarists love the scalloped neck and swear by it. I think its now become an icon for that type of rock guitar. Now Yngwie says it doesn't make you play any faster on it, in fact it is harder to play because you need much more control on how you fret without pushing notes sharp, because you are used to pressing against wood. He just thought it looked cool being scalloped like a medieval stringed instrument so he tried it with a guitar neck and liked it! I think Richie Blackmore of Deep Purple used to (partially) do it too. But it helps you develop a lighter touch and it is supposed to be easier to bend notes and do vibrato. I've heard that after getting used to it and then going back to a regulat neck, it feels like you can play at lightspeed, only because it forces you to developed more control and accurate technique.

I would love to have one, but I'm a little scared making the initial adjustment in playing. But I think it would help improve my technique in the long run.

Posted by: fretdancer Jan 21 2007, 01:49 AM

Buy a cheap second hand Strat copy or similar - Ebay is littered with them - and they are not actually bad guitars, its just that everyone having learnt to play 3 chords, thinks that something 3 times the price will allow them to play three more !! (we all do it)

I bet you can buy one for about $60 or less - then you can file the top 10 frets down to give it a go?
Not gonna break the bank and might give you a project and a little motivation for a while?

Posted by: ezravdb Jan 21 2007, 01:57 AM

QUOTE (fretdancer @ Jan 21 2007, 01:49 AM) *
Buy a cheap second hand Strat copy or similar - Ebay is littered with them - and they are not actually bad guitars, its just that everyone having learnt to play 3 chords, thinks that something 3 times the price will allow them to play three more !! (we all do it)

I bet you can buy one for about $60 or less - then you can file the top 10 frets down to give it a go?
Not gonna break the bank and might give you a project and a little motivation for a while?


im going to try it right now biggrin.gif
I have one left. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: fretdancer Jan 21 2007, 02:07 AM

It would be really interesting to know how it turns out if you do try it.
My tip - take lots of Photos as you move through each stage
It would make a really interesting story with pics for everyone here?

Posted by: ezravdb Jan 21 2007, 02:09 AM

QUOTE (ezravdb @ Jan 21 2007, 01:57 AM) *
im going to try it right now biggrin.gif
I have one left. laugh.gif laugh.gif


hmm after the first fret I said: screw this, lets practice blink.gif i didnt want to take the strings off

@fretdancer: sorry... tongue.gif

@people who wanna try this at home: first take the strings off xD
I think you also have to polish the frets again after you filed the wood away.

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 02:13 AM

QUOTE (Steelkonsum @ Jan 21 2007, 12:25 AM) *
We are all talentless - Kris has taught us that.


I think you understood him wrong!

Kris DIDN'T say we are all talentless - he just said that even if you have no talent you can achieve great playing. But the killing combination is when someone is talented and is practicing the whole day.

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 21 2007, 02:46 AM

Check out the custom scallop guitar projects from this site. Here is an example making a "Duck" replica of Yngwie's Play Loud strat:

http://www.randyciak.com/guitar/dean/index_theduck2.htm

Dean from there does good neck scallop jobs. Contact him if you are interested.

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 02:55 AM

Yngwie is a great player, don't get me twisted, but his music seriously lacks emotion. I've got all his albums, including bootlegs and demo tapes, The only good songs I've heard all in all are:

Trilogy Suite Opus. 5 and We'll light up the sky (which is a cover)

Compared to players such as Michael Romeo, Who more or less play the exact same way, he's lost on terms of emotion.

Posted by: Mark Schiewe Jan 21 2007, 03:05 AM

Be that as it may he still is one of the most talented guitarists in the world.

Hey Ikaros do you know how much the Yngwie strat wil cost? And what is the advantage of a scalloped fretboard?

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 03:21 AM

QUOTE (Mark Schiewe @ Jan 21 2007, 03:05 AM) *
Be that as it may he still is one of the most talented guitarists in the world.

Hey Ikaros do you know how much the Yngwie strat wil cost? And what is the advantage of a scalloped fretboard?


In terms of skill, yes.

If you haven't been playing for 5+ years and don't have serious control over the fretboard scalloped necks are not for you. It'll make playing fast very difficult, It helps as it gives you more grip over the note

Posted by: Steelkonsum Jan 21 2007, 03:28 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 02:13 AM) *
I think you understood him wrong!

Kris DIDN'T say we are all talentless - he just said that even if you have no talent you can achieve great playing. But the killing combination is when someone is talented and is practicing the whole day.


Actually Im quite sure he said that he believed there was no such thing as natural talent wink.gif

Could be wrong though.

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 03:53 AM

Oh yes there is a natural talent - but it still doesn't help if you don't practice.

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 04:02 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 03:53 AM) *
Oh yes there is a natural talent - but it still doesn't help if you don't practice.


Exactly.

If you have talent you'll just learn much quicker than a person who doesn't. Talent exists.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 21 2007, 05:24 AM

I don't believe talent exists.

And if it does no one can ever objectively determine whether you have it or not. Not me, your mum or your music teacher.

The only thing I can tell when I hear somebody's recording is if I liked it or not. I cannot tell whether I liked it because they have practiced or if it's because they have talent or if it's a combination of both.

Unfortunately no scientific studies of rock n roll have been made yet - I suspect that's why there is an awful amount of bull going around on this topic. That is also why I like to make a stand against the whole talent thing.

Now here is something I do know - I exposed my playing and music to a lot of people in my early practicing stage and did not get any acknowledgement. This wasn't once or twice - there was an obvious trend. Now, I could have chosen to do as many people would have - acknowledge defeat... ("I don't have sense of timing, musicality...talent!)

But I didn't - that's when the fun begun. I told myself s**w them - they are speaking about talent as an excuse to why they never got anywhere, I won't let that happen to me. I sat down and practiced and now I make a living of my playing - thanks to motivation not talent (I will never know if I had any - but if I had listened to what others said, I wouldn't be were I am today and surely would have thought of myself as talentless.)

Now recently I have got to hear "Sure kristofer you can play guitar - that's your talent" - (where were these people 10 years ago??!!) - "but don't think you can write and sing songs"!! Ok so there are still a lot of ignorant people to convince. At the age of 23 I could barely sing a note in pitch - but is that going to stop me?

Recently I have practiced singing and songwriting - you will find my most recent attempt http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=2322. I can tell you that tune alone has been enough to prove my point to some people. However I intend to take this very much further and keep developing my singing and songwriting through new strategies. I like to use my brain and not my "talent".

...talent, an extremely miss-used word. How about we throw it in the bin and substitute it with the following ( English grammar experts please fill me out here):

motivation, starting-early, early-positive-stimulation

Now if you lack the the "early" parts no worries - that's why we have gmc. smile.gif

--Kris

PS Awesome discussions we got going on! biggrin.gif

Posted by: fretdancer Jan 21 2007, 05:58 AM

.....And that Gentlemen, Has to be the most motivational post ever !!
It could enable to some people to be described as talented in the future.

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 06:14 AM

Kris I think you're wrong there. People like Shawn Lane had natural talent at learning guitar. You can't have playing talent. Just like artists such as Leonardo Da Vinci painted paintings you'll never be able to paint, musicians who have talent have made music you cannot and that's the way it goes. You're limited to talent as soon as you're born. It's in your genes.

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 06:20 AM

OK - so what about classical composers like Mozart, Beethoven and all the other geniuses? I am not sure you are able to compose something like them with just sitting and practicing the instrument! In fact i am sure they were not able to play all of the classical instruments but they composed awesome music. That's what i call talent!

I never used lack of talent as an excuse because every single thing i ever wanted to do - i did it! Because if you really want something you'll achieve it. Playing guitar is not a 5-days practice - i would dare to call it a life-work - because there is always some space to improve.

The discussion is great - let's just not start fighting! hehehe

QUOTE (Why @ Jan 21 2007, 06:14 AM) *
Kris I think you're wrong there. People like Shawn Lane had natural talent at learning guitar. You can't have playing talent. Just like artists such as Leonardo Da Vinci painted paintings you'll never be able to paint, musicians who have talent have made music you cannot and that's the way it goes. You're limited to talent as soon as you're born. It's in your genes.


Are we reading each other's mind???

Writing same thing at the same time!! cool.gif

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 06:22 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 06:19 AM) *
OK - so what about classical composers like Mozart, Beethoven and all the other geniuses? I am not sure you are able to compose something like them with just sitting and practicing the instrument! In fact i am sure they were not able to play all of the classical instruments but they composed awesome music. That's what i call talent!

I never used lack of talent as an excuse because every single thing i ever wanted to do - i did it! Because if you really want something you'll achieve it. Playing guitar is not a 5-days practice - i would dare to call it a life-work - because there is always some space to improve.

The discussion is great - let's just not start fighting! hehehe


Exactly my friend. That's what I said in my last post. So many neoclassical artists literally steal pieces of music from Mozart, Bach and 'Thoven. Eugene's trick bag by Vai is almost an identical copy of Paginini's 5th Caprice

I've been playing properly for 2 years, most people think I've played all my life. I won't say I've got natural talent, but I'll say I have some talent at learning guitar. Leornado Da Vinci painted paintings which people have been trying to emulate for hundreds of years, but can't. That's natural talent. So yes, talent exists.

Posted by: Esox Lucius Jan 21 2007, 06:29 AM

I heard Yngwie play at Sweden Rock Festival 2005, I was not that impressed by his traditional playing, cause I knew what to be expected... But one of his final 3 songs was a blues where he sang and played solo (in his way of course) I was totally blowed away!! Man that is what I call feeling, doesn't matter that he shreds in every solo, the man got feeling!

Posted by: RIP Dime Jan 21 2007, 06:41 AM

QUOTE (fretdancer @ Jan 21 2007, 05:58 AM) *
.....And that Gentlemen, Has to be the most motivational post ever !!
It could enable to some people to be described as talented in the future.


Agreed!!!

Definately a cool guitar. But I have a problem with strat style guitars, I have one(more of a soloist style) and it's awesome, but the shape doesn't really fit my body as well as I would like. I'd love to try one though!

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Jan 21 2007, 06:41 AM) *
Agreed!!!

Definately a cool guitar. But I have a problem with strat style guitars, I have one(more of a soloist style) and it's awesome, but the shape doesn't really fit my body as well as I would like. I'd love to try one though!


Think like that and you'll never make a masterpiece!

Posted by: RIP Dime Jan 21 2007, 08:50 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 06:20 AM) *
OK - so what about classical composers like Mozart, Beethoven and all the other geniuses? I am not sure you are able to compose something like them with just sitting and practicing the instrument! In fact i am sure they were not able to play all of the classical instruments but they composed awesome music. That's what i call talent!


You're right there, Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach created great music with thier extremely high level of creative talent. I thought this discussion was about if playing talent existed(maybe I should actually read all the posts rolleyes.gif ), witch I think it doesn't, as in I don't think some people can just pick up the instrument very quickly and play with great technique, I think you have to work for your chops.
But I agree that some people learn certain things very easily, and that could be called learning talent. And I agree that great musicians have a natural talent for making amazing, original music that most people don't have, there is no doubt about that. But this should not stop aspiring musicians from working for thier goals, people can work on improving thier songwriting skills, while their music may not end up being as innovative, or beautiful as great classical composers, they can work thier way to a level of songwriting that makes them happy.

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 09:12 AM

That's why I bold learning talent in all my posts. Some people can play instruments without playing them ever before aswell, Natural talent exists too. Read about Savants. Beethoven was a Savant.

Posted by: Matt Jan 21 2007, 03:27 PM

Some people pick things up quicker than others, but that is hardly a factor at all. The way people practice and the thought process behind their practicing is a much bigger factor as to how fast someone learns.

people dont have a certain gene that lets their fingers more quicker and more accuratlely than others

its how you practice getting ur fingers to move more acurately and fast is what counts

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 21 2007, 06:18 PM

This sure is an interesting topic. smile.gif Also, for some reason Mozart and Bach are always brought up when speaking about this. I prefer Allan Holdsworth a lot more than those two but I guess that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Here is my answer - forget my last post - here is the story of my life:

QUOTE
At the age of seven my music teacher discovered I had perfect pitch.

At the age of nine my dad bought me my first guitar, without ever practicing - i got to be an incredible player in no time. Everybody realised how talented I was/am.

Today I never practice - I was born with the gift - I wake up everyday and come up with innovative stuff [in my sleep].

You can't touch me - I am unique.


Do you believe this? I don't. Oh and by the way mr Holdsworth (just like Mozart) got the finest education possible, through a fantastic musician - his dad. Talent? Motivation? Inspiration? Started early? Musical genes?

If it wasn't for the fact that my job is to learn other be their best at guitar - I sure wouldn't tell the truth. If my job was to write and record multi-million-dollars albums I sure would go for the "you can't touch me" attitude.

Luckily it isn't. smile.gif

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 07:02 PM

Kris i got your point but still we are not only talking about the Playing Skills but also about composing, right?

Because the technique stuff is obvious - you have to practice no matter what.

Composing is something completely different.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 21 2007, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 07:02 PM) *
Kris i got your point but still we are not only talking about the Playing Skills but also about composing, right?

Because the technique stuff is obvious - you have to practice no matter what.

Composing is something completely different.


I apply my thesis to everything (excepts sport! blink.gif ) and it has been working so far.

I personally believe that the ability to come with melodies, arrangments, riffs (etc.) is related to how much you have actively listened to music... smile.gif

Posted by: Pavel Jan 21 2007, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 21 2007, 07:05 PM) *
I personally believe that the ability to come with melodies, arrangments, riffs (etc.) is related to how much you have actively listened to music... smile.gif


True, in writing songs i sometimes hear just the pieces of songs i heard somewhere. It's always like that at the beginning but the more you try to compose the faster you'll develop your own style.

Posted by: Why Jan 21 2007, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 21 2007, 06:18 PM) *
This sure is an interesting topic. smile.gif Also, for some reason Mozart and Bach are always brought up when speaking about this. I prefer Allan Holdsworth a lot more than those two but I guess that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Here is my answer - forget my last post - here is the story of my life:
Do you believe this? I don't. Oh and by the way mr Holdsworth (just like Mozart) got the finest education possible, through a fantastic musician - his dad. Talent? Motivation? Inspiration? Started early? Musical genes?

If it wasn't for the fact that my job is to learn other be their best at guitar - I sure wouldn't tell the truth. If my job was to write and record multi-million-dollars albums I sure as hell would go for the "you can't touch me" attitude.

Luckily it isn't. smile.gif


Teach Yngwie how to do that.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 21 2007, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 21 2007, 07:08 PM) *
True, in writing songs i sometimes hear just the pieces of songs i heard somewhere. It's always like that at the beginning but the more you try to compose the faster you'll develop your own style.


Yes - I believe songwriting is a combination of listening (as mentioned) and practcing, inother words writing song after song after song (as mentioned by toher people in the uploads board). If I compare my first a attempts to my current I can definately see some progress! smile.gif

Posted by: Steelkonsum Jan 21 2007, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Jan 21 2007, 06:18 PM) *
This sure is an interesting topic. smile.gif Also, for some reason Mozart and Bach are always brought up when speaking about this. I prefer Allan Holdsworth a lot more than those two but I guess that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Here is my answer - forget my last post - here is the story of my life:
Do you believe this? I don't. Oh and by the way mr Holdsworth (just like Mozart) got the finest education possible, through a fantastic musician - his dad. Talent? Motivation? Inspiration? Started early? Musical genes?

If it wasn't for the fact that my job is to learn other be their best at guitar - I sure wouldn't tell the truth. If my job was to write and record multi-million-dollars albums I sure as hell would go for the "you can't touch me" attitude.

Luckily it isn't. smile.gif


Couldn't have put it better myself. Was trying too but you beat me to it.

Posted by: fretdancer Jan 22 2007, 03:23 AM

Whilst talking about Beethoven et al, think about this.

Music was their entire life. Today we have so many more distractions such as TV - an unbelievably wide choice of musical "styles", we have so much more "life" to live than they did. Our brains have to absorb so much more "stuff".

Imagine being restricted to a very limited pallette of music, living and breathing it and very little way of actually distributing music once it was written.
Whilst what they did is considered "genius" and is, and I dont want to suggest anything less, but I am thinking that while they are "named" as the sole writers of there music I am sure they would have had lots of help from actual musicians, who were often "illiterate" and so could not physically write music down. How many musical ideas did they get that way?

At the time they wrote music, there was little other written music around, so they were innovators in that they were able to publish music for the first time, no one could say that it was not original music.
Now of course, its almost impossible to write something truly original and different to what has already been written - I mean, how many combinations are there for 12 notes !!! and it only takes moments now for someone in the world to say "I already did that"...

Again, I dont want this to come accross as "beethoven was shit" because clearly thats not the case, and I am sure there is much more of a case for genius than the drivel I have written here. I am just suggesting there is food for thought about the "time" "situation" and "availability" of music at the time.

Posted by: Steelkonsum Jan 22 2007, 03:44 AM

QUOTE (fretdancer @ Jan 22 2007, 03:23 AM) *
Whilst talking about Beethoven et al, think about this.

Music was their entire life. Today we have so many more distractions such as TV - an unbelievably wide choice of musical "styles", we have so much more "life" to live than they did. Our brains have to absorb so much more "stuff".

Imagine being restricted to a very limited pallette of music, living and breathing it and very little way of actually distributing music once it was written.
Whilst what they did is considered "genius" and is, and I dont want to suggest anything less, but I am thinking that while they are "named" as the sole writers of there music I am sure they would have had lots of help from actual musicians, who were often "illiterate" and so could not physically write music down. How many musical ideas did they get that way?

At the time they wrote music, there was little other written music around, so they were innovators in that they were able to publish music for the first time, no one could say that it was not original music.
Now of course, its almost impossible to write something truly original and different to what has already been written - I mean, how many combinations are there for 12 notes !!! and it only takes moments now for someone in the world to say "I already did that"...

Again, I dont want this to come accross as "beethoven was shit" because clearly thats not the case, and I am sure there is much more of a case for genius than the drivel I have written here. I am just suggesting there is food for thought about the "time" "situation" and "availability" of music at the time.


Would just like to add that during the time of beethoven and such music wasnt commercial. There was no such thing as copyright so they borrowed heavily of each other so even though Im sure beethoven wrote lots of stuff he probably borrowed alot too.

Posted by: n0x Jan 23 2007, 05:38 AM

Deep knowledge of musical theory helps too.. Don't you think? smile.gif.

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 24 2007, 02:01 AM

Interesting musical discussion and controversy. Funny how it started with gear talk over a new 2007 version signature series guitar!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 24 2007, 02:14 AM

QUOTE (Ikaros @ Jan 24 2007, 02:01 AM) *
Interesting musical discussion and controversy. Funny how it started with gear talk over a new 2007 version signature series guitar!


hehe, yes! smile.gif I thought about splitting the topics - but it's a bit too late now - don't you think?

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 24 2007, 02:18 AM

No problem Kris! I'm always amazed how any Yngwie subject matter takes off with a life of its own. You either love him or hate him. It's hard to find any middle ground.

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jan 24 2007, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Ikaros @ Jan 24 2007, 02:18 AM) *
No problem Kris! I'm always amazed how any Yngwie subject matter takes off with a life of its own. You either love him or hate him. It's hard to find any middle ground.


yes true! He is quite provocative so that could be one explanation. Also it's impressive that the no 1 godfather of shred still stands strong (both playing and carreer-wise!)

Posted by: Zee Deveel Jan 24 2007, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Ikaros @ Jan 24 2007, 01:18 AM) *
No problem Kris! I'm always amazed how any Yngwie subject matter takes off with a life of its own. You either love him or hate him. It's hard to find any middle ground.

I think he's a big fat, leather trouser wearing, 80's cheesey music making bastard, but technically he's superb and I wish I could shred like him.

Isn't that middle ground? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Why Jan 24 2007, 10:44 PM

I used to like Yngwie, then I turned 13.

When I started listening to other neoclassical shredders, I realised how much better they were and that's why I don't rank yngwie so high on my guitar playing 'ladder' anymore because there are players (Moore, Romeo) who just put him to shame on terms of emotion.

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 25 2007, 01:02 AM

I first heard his Rising Force album when a co-worker lent me a cassette tape of it in 1985. I've been a fan ever since and I'm 47 years old! I haven't bothered with any of the clones out there.

Also, I heard that the new 2007 version of Yngwie's signature Strat should be out on the market in the next 2-3 months. I'll try to get verification of that from the source.

Steve...
Yngwie Malmsteen 100%
http://yngwie100.home.comcast.net/

Posted by: Pavel Jan 25 2007, 01:04 AM

What is the approximate price of it?

I am waiting for Dean RC7 - Rusty Cooley Signature - can't wait to find out the price of it!

Posted by: Ikaros Jan 25 2007, 05:18 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 24 2007, 07:04 PM) *
What is the approximate price of it?


I think it is the same price as last years model so you should see it in the $1300-$1500 price range. Just make sure its the new 2007 model to get all the changes. Here are the specs:

2007 Yngwie Malmsteen Stratocaster

Model Number: 010-7110-(Color#) and 010-7112-(Color#)

Series: Artist Series

Colors: (809) Candy Apple Red, (841) Vintage White, (872) Sonic Blue, (Polyurethane Finish)

Body: Alder

Neck: Maple, Modern Shape with Machine Screw Mounting Inserts,
(Nitrocellulose Lacquer Finish)

Fingerboard: Scalloped Rosewood (p/n 010-7110) or
Scalloped Maple (p/n 010-7112), 9.5" Radius (241mm)

No. of Frets: 21 Dunlop 6000 Super-Jumbo Frets

Pickups: 2 Dimarzio® YJM Pickups (Neck & Middle), 1 Dimarzio HS-3 Stack (Bridge)

Controls: Master Volume, Tone 1. No-Load Tone Control (Neck Pickup), Tone 2. No-Load Tone Control (Bridge and Middle Pickups)

Pickup Switching: 3-Position Blade, Position 1. Bridge Pickup, Position 2. Middle Pickup Position, 3. Neck Pickup

Bridge: American Vintage Synchronized Tremolo

Machine Heads: Fender/Schaller Vintage "F" Style Style Tuning Machines

Hardware: Chrome

Pickguard: 3-Ply White/Black/White

Scale Length: 25.5" (648 mm)

Width at Nut: Brass Nut 1.65" (42 mm)

Unique Features: Special '60's Shape Neck, Large Late '60s Styled Headstock, Bullet Truss Rod Nut, Brass Nut, Scalloped Fingerboard, With Dunlop 6000 Jumbo Fretwire, Aged Pickup Covers, Aged Plastic Parts

Strings: Fender Super Bullets 3250L, Nickel Plated Steel, (.009 to .042), p/n 073-3250-003

Accessories: Vintage Tweed Case, Strap, Cable, Meguiar's Mist and Wipe Kit

Case: Vintage Tweed Case

Introduced: 1/2007

Posted by: RIP Dime Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 25 2007, 01:04 AM) *
I am waiting for Dean RC7 - Rusty Cooley Signature - can't wait to find out the price of it!


That guitar looks sick dude!

Posted by: bricktop Jan 28 2007, 07:13 PM

I've actually never even heard any of yngwie's stuff so I am lost. I'd like to though, but I have seen some of those youtube videos with overdubs which are hilarious! I think some talent exists when you get to higher levels of skill.
I was a competitive golfer, played for many years in local and state tournaments. I practiced my ass off, took lessons, etc. I mean I worked really, really hard. But I didn't have what it takes to actually go to Q-school (pro school). I grew up in Pebble Beach, California by the way, golf capital of the world(USA). smile.gif
Anyway even at the professional level look at Tiger Woods dominating the tour. Do you think the other pros wonder if there was something in there 15-20 Years of practicing that Tiger did that they didn't? No. He has that talent that they won't ever get no matter how hard they work, sorry, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Pavel Jan 29 2007, 04:26 AM

QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Jan 25 2007, 12:04 PM) *
That guitar looks sick dude!



That is actually the only DEAN i like! And Rusty Cooley is my favorite shredder and i want to buy 7-string anyway so i think this is the axe for me!

Posted by: Zee Deveel Jan 29 2007, 05:21 AM

QUOTE (bricktop @ Jan 28 2007, 06:13 PM) *
No. He has that talent that they won't ever get no matter how hard they work, sorry, but that's the way it is.

I totally agree. Anyone can be a good guitar player through shitloads of practice, but without talent that's where you'll stop.

(Disclaimer: Great and ridiculously fast are not always the same thing.)

Posted by: Liam Jan 29 2007, 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Why @ Jan 20 2007, 04:34 AM) *
I'd buy it, but then again, I think Yngwie is talentless


yngwie has no talent , number one joke ..

Posted by: Pavel Jan 29 2007, 05:03 PM

Hmm i think the new fight is about to begin....


And please don't tell me about "ridiculously fast" because if you put it together in one great composition than it's awesome. Like "Under The Influence" from Rusty Cooley.
Here is a new clip recorded by DeanGuitars - a full song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4RNA1LfYbg

Watched it like 100 times - awesome!

Posted by: RIP Dime Jan 29 2007, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (Liam @ Jan 29 2007, 06:47 AM) *
yngwie has no talent , number one joke ..


Yes, Ynigwie is super amazing guitar god!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM
laugh.gif

Posted by: Liam Jan 30 2007, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Jan 29 2007, 05:42 PM) *
Yes, Ynigwie is super amazing guitar god!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM
laugh.gif



tongue.gif crazy hawaian dude biggrin.gif

Posted by: MickeM Jan 30 2007, 01:13 AM

LOL that's a good one. There's a great series on Dream Theater and Petrucci too

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKMYeXkYcgs&mode=related&search=

Posted by: Pavel Jan 30 2007, 01:25 AM

Yeah those videos are funny but i always wondered: where the hell do those guys get enough time to waste it on something as stupid as this unsure.gif blink.gif (i mean the synchronizing and thinking of those voices)

Posted by: Zee Deveel Jan 30 2007, 04:15 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 29 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Hmm i think the new fight is about to begin....
And please don't tell me about "ridiculously fast" because if you put it together in one great composition than it's awesome. Like "Under The Influence" from Rusty Cooley.

Hmm.. I don't get your point Pavel?

I'm not saying all shredders are poor players, I'm just saying the ability to play really fast doesn't mean you're good, it takes more than speed.

Posted by: MickeM Jan 30 2007, 04:31 AM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 30 2007, 01:25 AM) *
Yeah those videos are funny but i always wondered: where the hell do those guys get enough time to waste it on something as stupid as this unsure.gif blink.gif (i mean the synchronizing and thinking of those voices)

I guess those ppl are more into media than playing. Probably they think the same about us - "where do they got the time and energy to waste on learning to play fast" biggrin.gif

Posted by: Pavel Jan 30 2007, 05:10 AM

QUOTE (Zee Deveel @ Jan 30 2007, 04:15 AM) *
Hmm.. I don't get your point Pavel?

I'm not saying all shredders are poor players, I'm just saying the ability to play really fast doesn't mean you're good, it takes more than speed.


Well usually people think that if somebody is a shredder than he can't play some sweet stuff. But i am always trying to prove them wrong. Personally i really respect all those shredders out there because i know how much time you need to get those skills and i am trying to do the same.
As for compositions: mostly shredders can make really good songs because they have thousands of hours of practicing different techniques, styles and they are influenced by very diverse guitarists so they are rich in their styling (there are always exceptions).

It also depends on what you like more.



QUOTE (MickeM @ Jan 30 2007, 04:31 AM) *
I guess those ppl are more into media than playing. Probably they think the same about us - "where do they got the time and energy to waste on learning to play fast" biggrin.gif


Yeah probably you are right! I have a friend who is sitting in front of a computer 10 hours a day, reading some scripting stuff and learning different codes and programming languages and he must be wondering why am i practicing guitar 8 hours a day biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: RIP Dime Jan 30 2007, 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Jan 30 2007, 01:25 AM) *
Yeah those videos are funny but i always wondered: where the hell do those guys get enough time to waste it on something as stupid as this unsure.gif blink.gif (i mean the synchronizing and thinking of those voices)


It's just for fun, the guy that made the original ones is a great fan of the guitarists, he's not making fun of them to insult them(well, I don't think laugh.gif ). Some guys are very interested in computers, video, and editing etc, just like we are interested in guitars and music, so yeah they'll spend lots of time on it! biggrin.gif

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