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Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 07:40 PM

I'm thinking of buying ANOTHER axe, as soon as I sell one of my older two guitars. I was thinking of getting a Schecter 006 Deluxe, it has pretty good reviews for that low a price. The only thing I'd have to do is get some good pickups in it, they stock ones suck without good EQ.

The price tag says $250. I am done with floyd rose systems, I need a fixed bridge and this one is fitting my budget perfectly.

What would you say? And no my music store doesn't have a lot of variety, unfortunately

EDIT: I'm not asking which guitar I'd buy, I'm saying what is your general experience with Schecter or the 006 deluxe if you've used it.

Posted by: Mertay Jul 27 2013, 07:59 PM

I played a higher-end schecter 7 string once (can't remember model) and liked it, schecter necks are a bit beefy but still shredable. Sometime later I played a california model and was the worst guitar I ever played

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 08:03 PM

So you're saying the difference between models can be pretty big, right? No consistency?

Posted by: Jouve Jul 27 2013, 09:09 PM

I don't trust these entry level models. Maybe you'd better check the ebay for c-1 hellraiser or other series? I've seen some used items there for about 260-400$.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 09:14 PM

Can I ask exactly what can be bad on entry level guitars?

I'm asking because the problems I've ever had with any guitar is the action and/or the tremolo setup. The 006 deluxe has a fixed bridge and reviews say they have low action. Rosewood fretboard and basswood body.

Posted by: Jouve Jul 27 2013, 09:32 PM

Well, there can be many things -cheap hardware and electronic which wears off pretty shortly, a wrong placed frets, some tuners issues. Everything is possible. I am not saying that 006 is bad, but you should be 100% attentive to the details.

Posted by: Mertay Jul 27 2013, 09:40 PM

I guess so, my experience with this brand is very limited though I'd also agree entry level guitars are a bit of problem.

For example many people complain about entry LTD brand necks wrap, turned out (a luthier said in a forum as I remember) the wood they use isn't dryed enough for production. Or my student just sold his ibanez gio, he said after 2 sets of elixir string the frets literally melted and it needed a total re-fret.

I guess these guitars are made to last max 1 or 2 years till a students learn enough to upgrade, then sell it used for literally nothing so the entry-level guitar industry moves on forever

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 09:45 PM

Thanks for the help guys, as far as ebay and second hand guitars are concerned, you might know I run away from second hand guitars. And I don't really buy off the internet, because I don't know how it'll feel in my hands and how it'll sound when I'm playing

Posted by: Mertay Jul 27 2013, 10:06 PM

I'd say just be a little patient and save a bit more, I know this is about schecter but if you by chance find a charvel ds-3 or ds-2 give it a try

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 10:17 PM

Charvel ds-2 is GORGEOUS! Does it sound as good as it looks? I'm really interested!

Posted by: Mertay Jul 27 2013, 10:29 PM

I was actually planing to buy a ds-3, I wanted a lightweight guitar I wouldn't be afraid carrying to students houses in a rainy day.

I played it very briefly and loved the neck (oiled mahogany feels very good) which was the only important thing for me on a cheap guitar. I delayed that idea for now as its summer and I'm not super busy but I still have that guitar in mind. The higher models as I read have even better necks but as usualy price increases

Posted by: dcz702 Jul 27 2013, 11:26 PM

My next guitar is going to be a schecter blackjack atx it's a great playing guitar they seem to go for around 450 used.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 27 2013, 11:39 PM

Seems like I can get a new DS-2 for around $350 to $400 around here good price?



Seems a really beautiful axe but, ah, I've had too many bad experiences with used guitars

Posted by: Mertay Jul 28 2013, 12:23 AM

The pricing on these seem very competitive. I didn't research them much as they're still very new (about 1 year as far as know), they're made in China but it felt ok to me when playing...I guess Fender is bringing Charvel back from the dead and they're doing their best to become popular again, recently Guthrie Govan became their artist.

Compaund radious neck profile is something people love or hate, I strongly advice trying one before ordering A shop where I live recently brought a guitar from another city for my student to try before buying. Ask them if they can do this, its an affordable guitar worst case if you don't buy it someone else will eventually

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 28 2013, 12:35 AM

Hmm.... I'll have to try and convince them to do that

Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 28 2013, 01:17 PM

I had a few Schecters. I also have a wardrobe full of good pickups and guess what? I went back to to original Schecter pickups. Those pickups ain't suck. Those are probably one of the best organic sounding and with nice output signal cheap pickups in guitar from this price range. Maybe the problem is elsswhere.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 28 2013, 03:44 PM

One question - is it available in your store? If yes, try it and if you like it, get it

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 28 2013, 04:41 PM

I read many reviews on the internet and watched a few comparison videos on youtube, and its just too soft. Its good for clean, but what I heard in those clips were low output pickups. I don't know, I haven't played any schecter guitars.



No its not, but they said they can get it here if I want to buy it so I Have to confirm, because, after all as Jouve said, it is an entry level guitar. That's why I'm skeptic.

Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 28 2013, 05:05 PM

Stock 006, Omen 6, Omen Extreme pickup (exactly the same) have a nice and high output level comparing to other passive pickups. Of course not as high as SD invader but I don't like passive pickups with more than huge output signal because they make the sound muddy. If I need more gain I would go for active...they won't make the tone so blurry.


Be aware of YT tone test comparisons...huge amount of them seems to work completely different in the live conditions.

Cosmin is right about going to the local shop. I think buying something that You tested and already now it works for You is better than buying something You never touched even if it's a dream of many other players in the web....it still can not fit Your preferences.
It's very risky.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 28 2013, 05:44 PM

I have not too much experience with this brand. I just tried two models, Tempest Custom and Solo 6. I really liked both of them, however I'm not sure about the cheaper models. I think that the best would be to go and try one of the guitars that you want to buy, even more is the quality isn't something clear.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 28 2013, 09:09 PM

Guess I'll wait and collect more money to get a decent guitar that's not so entry level, because I can't bring myself to buy anything I haven't tested :/

Posted by: David.C.Bond Jul 28 2013, 10:14 PM

Very wise Sam! I always have to try a guitar first.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 28 2013, 10:48 PM

I've had a decent amount of bad experiences so I get pretty scared now when I buy any kind of music equipment :/

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jul 29 2013, 10:57 AM

I think you took the wisest possible decision And whatever you do, do not under any circumstances, buy something you haven't tested yourself!

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 29 2013, 11:53 AM

Yep, learned that the hard way

Posted by: JoaquinJro Jul 29 2013, 05:04 PM

Schecter guitars are great for the price

The quality is very good in mid range price, the stock pickups are good, but you can change them in the future. Im a Proud
owner of few Schecter guitars.I can't give any opinion about the guitar you want to buy, but you should try it before buy it. It is very important

Recently i bought a discontinued 2006 Schecter guitars model. is a monster!

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 29 2013, 05:28 PM

Hey mate, can you give me some model names of the mid range schecter guitars you've played?

Posted by: JoaquinJro Jul 29 2013, 06:02 PM

sure sam,

"mid range" in my country, has the same price as a "high range" guitar in ebay USA! lol

what kind of music do you want to play? one of my favorites mid range schecter model is the "devil 6". but it looks and sound very metal. Honestly all the mid range schecter guitars that i know are very focused in rock/metal. Not very versatile. for example: "Demon 6", "devil",etc. Schecter put curious names in their guitars haha

I will keep looking on the internet something more neutral and versatile, maybe i can help

Posted by: Headbanger Jul 29 2013, 06:20 PM

Gab...You will make any plank of wood sound good Dude!!!!

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 29 2013, 06:21 PM

Versatile is good, I mainly play rock and metal, but I play other styles too. And specially for ballad playing, I'll need some softer sounds

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 31 2013, 04:53 AM

Sounds like the SHECTER is off the table right? You mentioned you can play it unless you buy it and you don't want to buy before playing so the shecter is pretty much out yes?


I guess it comes down to what guitars the music store has left in stock that you don't own yet. Do they have anything you like? If so, set the ones in your price range to one side and play them one by one. By then end of it, you should know which one you want


Todd

Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 31 2013, 11:38 AM

Aside from what I said before (still keep that opinion about checking out by yourself) I also sad I had a few Schecters and I had only good expiriences. Here are some of my vids:

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 12:14 PM

Of course, if I can ever get my hands on one to try before buying, I'd certainly try it out. But if I can't, its off the table. And yeah, but they haven't got new stock in since the last time I went, so no excuse to go :/ I'm willing to try a Charvel DS-2 too, it looks absolutely beautiful



Nice playing man, I agree Schecter guitars can be amazing, that's why I'm looking for a place where I can try one out and if it fits my budget and is good enough for me, I don't see anything that stops me from buying it

Posted by: SpaseMoonkey Jul 31 2013, 12:52 PM

I owned a Schecter Loomis at one point. Very well made guitar, loved the extended range, but disliked the neck a lot, it felt fatter than a Gibson LP due to being a 7-string. Other than that it was a great guitar.

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 01:03 PM

I'd love a 7 string, I only can't handle extremely thin or extremely thick guitar necks, anything in between will be good for me, I've experimented

Posted by: mad Jul 31 2013, 02:47 PM

Hey sam,

just wanted to say that I'm quite satisfied with Schecter. I played a Damien (I think the same one Darius had) a while ago and switched to a 7string Damien Elite last year. Here are some REC takes with them..

Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 31 2013, 03:59 PM

I had some Omens and Demon Never had Damien but played on it and seemd to be very similar to Demon

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 04:39 PM

Nice videos mate, and if I had the money I'd get a high end shecter with my eyes closed, because I've only heard good things about Schecters, but I guess money is a big problem

Posted by: Darius Wave Jul 31 2013, 06:34 PM

"Low-end" Schecter are very nice for the price...one of the best that money can buy if You're rocker

Posted by: sammetal92 Jul 31 2013, 07:28 PM

Really? Can you name some models please?

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Aug 1 2013, 10:53 AM

I have tried some of them in time but I can't honestly say that I have an opinion - out of what I noticed, for instance - the guys in Rammstein had them at Sunday's gig.. So they must be good

Posted by: Darius Wave Aug 1 2013, 01:32 PM

Cosmin....ha ha ha ...what a point