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Posted by: kevvyg Sep 19 2008, 01:11 PM

Hi Everyone, hope you're still practicing!
I have a question which some of you might like to offer some feedback on.
In the 80s, we had more rock and HM bands than you could throw a stick at, all talented musicians, although, obviously some were more talented than others. I'm talking AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Saxon, The Scorpions, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, Dio, Magnum, Queensryche, Rush, etc, etc, the list is endless. Today, although a lot of these bands are still playing, they are getting on a bit, and I get to wondering, where are the similar bands that should be coming through to take their place, given that there are still millions of people out who are busily learning to play guitar in their bedrooms, copying all the guitar heroes - Hendrix, Clapton, Angus Young, Malmsteen, Hamett, Rhoads, Iommi, Tipton, Downing, Lifeson, Schenker, etc.
Personally, I'm a bit annoyed by today's so called 'rock bands' - I can't even think of any of their names (Kaiser Chiefs?), but all they seem to do is strum a couple of boring chords all the way through their songs, play a rubbish 'solo', and people go mad for 'em.
If there are so many people out there who love HM etc, and they're busy learning to play this stuff, where are all the new Iron Maidens, Whitesnakes, and AC/DCs?
I know we have a lot of rock bands about at the moment, but they're not really in the classification of what you'd call melodic rock, or melodic heavy metal. I do like a lot of the more thrashier modern bands, but if loads of younger people are learning from the likes of AC/DC, where's the new AC/DC?
Are we destined never to have another 'Phantom of the Opera', 'Whole Lotta Rosie', or 'Blizzard of Oz'?
I hope not!!!!!

KG

Posted by: kaznie_NL Sep 19 2008, 02:04 PM

I agree with ya. I'm not from those days, but my dad owns lots of cd's from back then. That's how I know all these bands. The music back then was way better then it is now! No offence, of course there are some good bands, but it's like they're all one-day-flies. The fact that most people still now Iron Maiden, metallica etc. is because they were good. Bands these days get a hit, some of them (for instance RHCP) have some more hits, but most only have one and then dissapear of screen.

as I said, no offence to anyone, there still are some great bands, like RHCP!

Posted by: Gilmore Sep 19 2008, 02:20 PM

I´ve been thinking the same thing for years. I was born in ´74 and grew up listening to those old bands. Most rock for the last two decades is just boring to my ears. Guitarsolos were out of fasion, except for the virtuosa stuff, Malmsteen Vai, Satriani and all that. I think guitarists today are too good, or too technical if you like. But I miss those good old and simpler rock´n roll and classic heavy metal players from the 70´s and 80´s. I wish more bands today played something simular to that.

To sum things up:

Rock and metal from the 90´s and 00´s, are just plane boring.

Guitar virtuosa rockfusionmetalneoclassic or what you want to call it is just fine up to a point, but you get tired of it after a while.

Good old classic rock or heavy metal.........you can never get enough!!!!!!

This is just my thoughts.....don´t get mad.

Posted by: Smells Sep 19 2008, 02:32 PM

Get even!! .... arr "Samson" those where the days

yea good points, often thought the same myself, there is without doubt a market for these bands imo too.

My band strived in the early ninties to do just this kind of metal, but it had started to move on more into the thrash Napalm Death type metal and people just wernt interested in it anymore, years later on and like you say theres no one coming through to replace these greats!

Posted by: tonymiro Sep 19 2008, 02:56 PM

Back in the early 80s Samson and IM were lucky to get a lot of media coverage via 'Sounds' and its 'NWOBHM' campaign and so - for a brief period - fashionable. Heavy Rock/Metal doesn't get anything like the same mass/general coverage nowadays and is seen as a fringe youth cult movement that is also 'unfashionable' with little cultural capital or appeal as far as the general press is concerned. Groups like the Kaiser Chiefs however happen to be fashionable just at the moment and so get a lot of attention and win awards, which in turn brings to the attention of more people and makes them yet more fashionable.

Music however tends to go in cycles so there may well be a resurgence of interest just around the corner. Some of the groups mentioned in the OP date back to the 70s and spent a lot of years being 'unfashionable' before 'Sounds' and the 'NWOBHM'. Old Michael Schenker has been in and out of fashion he must be getting dizzy by now .

Anyway just because the media doesn't see HR as fashionable at the moment doesn't of course mean that there aren't groups playing it and fans buying it. It is still a healthy 'cult' and because of that I'd expect us to again see some new HR group turn out something to rank with the old classics.

BTW - I can remember a friend saying way back in the late 70s that because of Punk we'd never see the likes of BOC's 'Don't Fear the Reaper' emerge from a new group as they couldn't play. Few years later along came Iron Maiden...

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: opeth.db Sep 19 2008, 03:01 PM

Exactly why I look outside of the states these days for new and existing talent.

Posted by: Emir Hot Sep 19 2008, 03:57 PM

The industry turned into something else and that affected everything. Media is also a big problem. They don't give space to any similar style you mentioned. It's about business. Today's industry is about having nice looking girls on MTV and charts, industry doesn't care if they don't know how to sing. They make money.

Even if there is a band to make good song as Whole Lotta Rosie (as you mentioned), I don't think people would know much about it. I hate today's industry but I think unfortunately there is nothing we can do.

Posted by: Daniel Robinson Sep 19 2008, 04:21 PM

I think the biggest problem is the cloning that goes on in the industry today to keep up with other labels.

Early on bands were unique and they had a signature sound that was all their own, the record companies gave them time to mature their sound and build a following. Nowadays its all about turn over.

Musicians these days have become commodities and the record industry are day traders. No long term investements.


The cloning i mentioned above is a big culprit. You take a group like Nickel back, when they first hit the scene i thought they were fairly unique, if they had been the only ones they would mature and build a following. But instead other labels had to make clones, next thing you know the airways are flooded with sound alikes and people get tired of being barraged by it and move onto the next new thing.

I think this it the reason why alot of musicians with an ounce of talent eventually create their own labels, so they can have complete creative and financial control of their music careers.

Maybe someday someone will figure it all out and there will be a shift in thinking. Here is to hoping.


Daniel

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Sep 20 2008, 12:41 AM

Yes it is a bad situation indeed. Current music industry has got to a dead end. We need something fresh, and a new technology for media distributing.
There are no big bands, everything is hyper production.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Sep 20 2008, 11:16 AM

Today if you went to get noticed you need a hot girl or two next to you on your concerts cd posters etc. Especially if you want to play that kind of music which now days doesn't fall under mainstream.
But don't give up cause there is lot of great managers and record labels that are keeping old rock metal thing alive and searching for artists to produce them.

Good luck

Posted by: Skyla°Lit Sep 20 2008, 12:08 PM

I'd say that mainstream consists pretty much of everything nowadays... almost every style is present and listened to more or less...

Personally, if I were in a band whatsoever, no matter how much I loved the good old 70-80s bands and how strongly inspired I was by their great music - I definitely wouldn't want to sound similar to any of them... would you ???

I think it's all about personal touch every worthy musician is trying to add to the already existing music expression patterns he grew up listening to. That's partly how styles happen to change over the years too... and there's nothing wrong with that imho - all legendary bands and performers will be engraved in music history forever anyways

Posted by: holoshreder Sep 20 2008, 12:43 PM

My friend you are absolutly right

thats why i am working my head of in GMC , we need more bands like the old days and i plan on doing something HUGE
and GMC is helping me alot.

rock on guys

Posted by: sigma7 Sep 20 2008, 12:52 PM

jet is kind of like AC/DC but I no wut u r talking about. What happened to the hardcore stuff and the epiuc songs and the huge concerts and the blasting guitar solos. I feel like I missed out on that awesome era and now all we have are the Jonas Brothers

Posted by: RIP Dime Sep 20 2008, 01:39 PM

Sorry man, those bands you mentioned are one of a kind, there will NEVER be another Whitesnake, Iron Maiden, or AC/DC. And the reason is simple, those bands were the sum of their parts, the unique individuals that made up the band, when those people got together and got the creative juices flowing they were unstoppable, their creative minds were exactly what the people of those times needed, so they became popular despite their counter-culture views, or progressive music(In the case of Iron Maiden). But I'm sure you know this already.

What I personally want from musicians these days is something different and exciting, interesting, yet catchy, but catchy in a different way. People have changed, we are in need of a different kind of bands, bands that make music for these times. Honestly if I heard a band that sounded like Iron Maiden's 666 era as much as Warbringer sounds like old school thrash, I probably wouldn't be interested enough to look for the name of that band. Sorry those bands just don't interest me, I've already heard those riffs, and vocals. I want something new.

I went through the same phase when I was younger as well, I was listening to a lot of Priest, and Maiden, along with old school thrash, and I always wondered "Man where's all the good stuff these days, it sounds nothing like the 80's stuff." I realized later that I couldn't expect new bands to sound like old bands, and once I stopped expecting anything from new bands, the more they started to sound good to me, and I was able to see that, yes, they are influenced by the old awesome bands I loved, they're just trying to sound different, and I respect that now.

There are great bands out there now, maybe new awesome bands aren't just popping into the mainstream like they used to, but dig deep enough and you'll find something you like. The Mars Volta may not sound like all the old bands that you know and love, but they have definitely been influenced by them, and they have come up with their own unique sound, so they aren't the new Thin Lizzys, they are just The Mars Volta. And I think that's what they're striving for, to make their own mark on music not someone else's mark.

But if you're set on hearing new old stuff, listen to Airbourne or something, they really sound like AC/DC(but that's why they suck IMO).

Posted by: Jose Mena Sep 20 2008, 02:31 PM

I thought the same thing some years ago, and was afraid great rock, and heavy metal was going to disappear, but somehow I am always able to find great new stuff, of course it is not mainstream like it used to be, Iron Maiden use to fill a stadium 4 nights in a row back in the 80's, now they don't even play in the U.S.

Great Heavy Metal still exists, it is just harder to find

Posted by: Jesse Sep 20 2008, 04:58 PM

The new AC/DC IS AIRBOURNE

Posted by: Guitarman700 Sep 20 2008, 05:05 PM

i dont want a new ac/dc or iron maiden, i want something fresh, and new. the true sign that your out of ideas, is when all you can do is look to the past and copy that. if anyone thinks todays artists are boring and useless, then they need to look a little harder. rock and metal nowadays is just as strong, if not stronger, as it was 20 or 30 years ago. we need to stop being stuck in the past and move forward. explore some independent artists. just because its not major label does not mean its not good.

Posted by: Nemanja Filipovic Sep 20 2008, 05:06 PM

Firs of all,great topic.But I think there bands that today fighting(young bands),and you haw to admit,they haw(bands today) a harder situation,they need to fight wit Hip Hop,R&B.....mainstream.So band like Audioslave,Slipknot are to me band worth mentioning.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Sep 20 2008, 06:18 PM

I think the good music is still around. Just because the "Era" of classic rock and roll is dieing i don't think it is gone. Search the underground for music. Metal is almost an entirely underground genre to tell the truth. Those of us who listen to metal don't see it as underground but it really is. Bands like Mnemic, Darkest Hour, Dark Tranquility, Opeth, Meshuggah they are all doing new and exciting things with music but the majority of people will never hear it. I don't think there is a lack of Classic Rock bands taking over i just think the majority aren't interested, therefore the good bands either die off or change their sound so that the majority will be interested. Its a shame that there isn't a demand for good ol rock and roll anymore but everything occurs in trends, and maybe one day it will come back. I can't recall on memory, but i know of times where thousands and thousands of young girls would go absolutly crazy over the beatles. Now days if you find any beatles lovers amoungst highschool girls i would be impressed. Trends rather than looking for bands that sound like the old bands you love try finding new bands whos sound you like as well.

Posted by: Letsrock Sep 20 2008, 06:26 PM

This is a topic right up my street!

I think that when we come to 2020 people will be looking back at the best bands of the 90's and 00's and say that bands of today (2020) aren't what they used to be.

We have some great bands about now that I think will be genre definers in a few years. As with with most things you don't realise what you have at the time until you look back years later.

I think Queens of Stone Age guitarist, Josh Homme, is a straight up rock and roller who will have big influences in the future. Also Kyuss, though split up are very influencial.

Obviously bands that have a unique image like Slipknot will have a massive effect in the future in terms of band image.
Mustn't forget that bands like My Dying Bride make brilliant music and started the whole doom metal sound.
Whatever you think of Korn, they made popular the mix of Rap and Metal that will continue to be influential.
Bands like Symphony X have made 'neoclassical' popular, taking progressive from the 70's and tweaking it for the 00's.

There will be a lot to look back at in 20 years.

Thanks for reading.

Posted by: kevvyg Sep 22 2008, 01:04 PM

I'm glad this topic is popular, and I think from all your replies that the concensus of opinion is that there are a lot of great rock and HM bands about, (and prpbably new bands playing in the 80's 'style'), you just have to look for them. I also agree that we shouldn't live in the past, I'd just be a little happier to see more young bands taking on the mantle of the greats, such as Black Sabbath etc. I am, however, very happy that there is still so much rock about, and a good job too, considering all the dross that's out there at the moment.
I saw an advert on TV the other night for a 'Kerrang' CD. It had the likes of 'Green Day', and 'My Chemical Romance'.
Please tell me these bands are not classed as HM now! - Has 'Kerrang' gone soft?!! As far as I can tell 'Green Day' and 'MCR' are more like pop groups for 14 year old schoolgirls.
I can't recall anyone on the forum asking for a lesson in the style of 'My Chemical Romance'!!
Anyway, I'll keep practicing, and hope to get in a band and play some decent music, before I get too old. I'll keep my eye out for good new bands. Thankfully, I discovered A7X a couple of years ago!! I'll also check out 'Airborne'. Thanks for that tip!

KG

Posted by: Marcus Siepen Sep 22 2008, 05:28 PM

And I thought I would be the only one to know and love old Samson
About the topic, I absolutely agree with Daniel, the music industry is not interested in building new bands anymore, they just clone whatever might be successful in the moment to make some fast and easy cash, and as soon as the next style is hip they drop those clones to sign some new ones.

Posted by: kevvyg Oct 21 2008, 01:25 PM

Hi, thanks for all your feedback. In answer to some of the comments along the lines that we don't want to live in the past, I quite agree - there IS a lot of great rock music about today, but as there was also a lot of great rock about in the 70s and 80s, I don't think we should allow a whole genre of music to disappear without trace.
I don't necessarily want 'copies' of the great bands, but I would like to see more new bands doing similar stuff. The 80s rock and metal bands gave us some of the classic tracks of all time, and their music was good! I know metal has moved on, but surely all new bands don't HAVE to sound like Sepultura or Trivium. It would be a great shame if we never heard music 'in the style of', say ACDC, Whitesnake, Iron Maiden, etc, again, just because we've 'moved on'.
I can listen to a certain amount of thrashing doom metal, but after a while, I like to listen to something just as heavy, but maybe a little more melodic!
There seems to be a disturbing trend these days for people to think that just because something is more than 5 minutes old, it must be c**p, (Hope that doesn't count as a swear word!), but that's just not true. If something's good, it stays good. I come across people who have the attitude that classical music, such as Mozart and Beethoven is rubbish, just because it's old. We know, as musicians, that is blatantly untrue. Ok, there are no more Mozarts about at the moment, but that shouldn't mean that there shouldn't be more Iron Maidens!!!!

KG

Ps Saw The Scorpions Sunday night - they still rock!!!! (...Like a Hurricane, of course).

Posted by: Smikey2006 Oct 21 2008, 04:05 PM

If you aren't finding great musical groups today you just aren't trying hard enough
Experimental and Ambient music are creating some great pieces which i will remember as classics. We have instrumental composers such as Steve Vai and Joe Satriani (especially Vai) who are writing entire symphony's. Guys like this could be considered the Motzarts of our time. Sometimes the best Orchestrial pieces lay hidden(check out movie sound tracks ). Im going to throw out a bunch of links to the hidden (symphony's of today)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5rI2YG-ns&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_169416

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g45NzH4e_WU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGJPyGFgIU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JkksFySAiE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUkEvXWk68c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsgv_X_cV8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRFaf4k6cZg

and this is for the rock is dead comment

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=408742213

these guys got huge potential

Posted by: superize Oct 22 2008, 09:19 AM

I was born in the late 80 s so i didient really listened to those bands and i never do it today either i like the 90s and 00s metal bands like Hammerfall, Rhapsody, Children of bodom etc etc......

It dosent mean that i didnet like theese old chool rock metal bands i just like the new one more.....

Posted by: mjsteps Oct 22 2008, 10:02 AM

Well it seems to me that the metal/rock genre has expanded since the 80's in the sense that we now have death metal,thrash, emo and so on. But I must say having grown up between the likes of Aerosmith, Kiss, AC/Dc and all the hair metal bands I find since then some good stuff. Nirvanna, Creed for instance.
As far as new stuff today Seether, Shinedown, Alterbridge, BuckCherry,Disturbed etc. So at least to me there is still good stuff being made but to me it's in more abundance. Happy listening.

Posted by: staticstef Oct 22 2008, 11:24 AM

Hey im glad you brought up this topic i was debating starting it myself , i agree 100% with you 70 and 80's music is soo much better and not as lazy as todays music we here. Ill be honest that the rock we have today does not motivate me to play guitar at all, infact it makes me want to learn to play the flute or something instead lol (only joking). Stuff that we have today such as indie rock (dont get me wrong i listen to it but i dont find it as inspiring as bands like Dio, BS, Iron Maiden, AC DC and so on) is very lazy music, it has rythm but its not as demanding to play, its like these players picked up a guitar and practice like couple of hours a week for a few years and now make millions. Its kind of scary because it seems like the rock and metal style from the 80's is slowly dying, no one is replacing them . 80's we had awsome bands that played very technical stuff today we have lazy bands like arctic monkeys and kooks (even though they make some catchy stuff lol)

Bring back the 80's in my opinion haha

Posted by: Jarl Emil Oct 22 2008, 11:46 AM

Well Its that "I wont listen to/play the music my mom and dad likes" So thats why we are ending up with that crummy music of today. And those true rocker souls cant get a demo because "in todays market it wont sell"

Posted by: Fsgdjv Oct 22 2008, 01:50 PM

Geez, I can't believe there actually are people who think that all of todays music is really simple and takes no skill. What rock have you been living under since the "golden days"?

Posted by: Jarl Emil Oct 22 2008, 04:59 PM

I didnt mean all of todays music of course theres a lot of good music but i think a lot of it has lost it soul too much britney pop out there. And btw i havent been living under a rock Fsgdjv but maybe you have?

Posted by: Guitarman700 Oct 22 2008, 05:34 PM

My previous post in this thread stands. Rock and Metal are better in this day and age then they ever have been, we have insanely creative artists like Tool, Opeth and Nevermore, some of the best music ever has been released in the last 20 years. Music, as an art form, evolves, and thats the best thing about it!

Amazing Albums in the last 20 years:
Tool- Every Album!
Opeth- Morningrise, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries
Coheed and Cambria- The latest two albums are great Prog Rock
Nevermore- Again, all thier albums
Megadeth- Rust In Peace, The System Has Failed, United Abomonations and the upcoming 2009 album
Amon Amarth- All their albums
Emperor- Every album!
I better stop before i list my whole collection!

Edit: oh, and Smikey, You win at life for posting Explosions in the sky videos!

Posted by: Smikey2006 Oct 22 2008, 06:03 PM

Look at the whole genre of metal.. if those guitarists and drummers are lazy than i don't want to see not being lazy




Explosions in the Sky are innovators.. Ambient experimental music is absolutely amazing, ive found a bunch of other great bands just like them but that are not nearly as well known just because this is a genre of music that doesn't the the attention it deserves

Posted by: Fsgdjv Oct 22 2008, 06:43 PM

Explosions are innovators and one of the best bands around, yes. But 95% of all post rock bands are uncreative people who just copy explosions in the sky's formula and do exactly the same, and post rock is the thing that all cool indie people listen to, so no, it doesn't get any less attention that it deserves. It gets a lot of attention, and even though I love a lot of the genre, just no. It's not a genre full of great innovators, it has some, but it's got mostly copycats.

I suppose that's the problem with all music, but lets face it, wasn't the 70's and 80's also full of copycats? I agree that the bands that were famous in the 70's are bands that I prefer a bit over the bands that are super famous right now, but I'd take Brittney Spears over Hair Metal any day.

And Jarl Emil: I haven't noticed that anyway, but thank you for asking.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Oct 22 2008, 06:44 PM

PM them to me please. i LOVE that genre!

Posted by: Oxac Oct 22 2008, 07:17 PM

myspace.com/dirtytouch Pretty cool band, very kiss-ish. They have recorded a Demo and played a couple of gigs. I suggest you check 'em out. Was to one of their gigs, great show they put on.

Posted by: kevvyg Oct 23 2008, 12:41 PM

No arguing guys!!
We all have our favourites, and I WILL check out all of the suggestions above!
Not sure anyone would prefer Britney over 80s metal though. (Although she is more pleasing to the eye than a lot of the members of the old bands - especially from behind).
I think the bottom line should be that there's still a lot of rock and metal out there to please everyone(Thank heavens!) I (and a lot of people by the sound of it) still love the 80s metal sound. When I saw the Scorpions last Sunday, there were quite a lot of younger people there, AND they knew all the lyrics, so I don't think they were there just for the ride-out with their parents. I think the main point I was making originally was that if a large proportion of people learning the guitar turn to the old masters for inspiration, then they must like the music, and I would have assumed that at least some of the learners would go on to produve music along the same or similar lines. This may of course be happeneing, it's just that you'd have to go out and actually find these bands, ie in local pubs etc. I like loads of different styles of rock, and if I formed a band, I'd be hard pushed to play just one genre because i'd be missing out on the others. One set would have to consist of blues, rock, metal, and thrash!!
I just think, and it's only my opinion of course, that stuff from Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath etc is more listenable sometimes, as it's still heavy, but it's a bit more melodic than bands that just create a 'wall of noise'.
Iron Maiden are a good case in point, actually, as their riffs can be very basic tunes (Hallowed Be Thy Name), but they grab you!!!
Anyway, l hope that 80s stuff makes a come-back, but if it doesn't, I'm more than happy to listen to what's on offer now - A7X and Rammstein for example, amongst (a lot) of others.

Thanks,
KG
ps Long Live RUSH!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 23 2008, 01:41 PM

You have to check out these

Red Sparowes - Especially A Message Of Avarice
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Especially Storm
A Silver Mt. Zion - Especially God Bless Our Dead Marines

Those 3 are incredible.

Posted by: staticstef Oct 23 2008, 04:41 PM

It all down to opinion really, in my opinion i feel that the 80's music that you heard on the radio and most likely saw on music channels (im guessing because i wasnt at the age when i was watchin tv ) was a lot more technical than the stuff you hear on todays radio and the music that you get in the charts. Im not sayin that music today isnt technical because i like a lot of modern metal bands that involve very technical abilities (avenged sevenfold being my favourite ) but you dont really hear much of these bands because they dont really make it high up in the charts. I mean in the charts you get stuff like fall out boy, kooks, arctic monkeys and lots of rnb stuff and im not sayin this is rubbish music coz i like some pop rock stuff but its not exactly technicle stuff. I probably wasnt clear in my opinionated (i stress, coz its all down to opinions and im intitled to my own opinions) statement (i was being a bit biased sorry) but what i ment was that is worrying that the market these days is wanting more stuff that is more simple than stuff like a7x, killswitch engage and other modern metal bands. These bands that involve very technicle abilities only appeal to a very small percentage of the population (the metal heads ). This is in the UK btw i dont no how it is in other countries. And to me its worrying that in a few decades time the market will no longer be promoting bands that involve technicle abilities. I should really refrase my statement because i shouldnt really be calling ALL music we here today as lazy, more like the majority of music that you hear on the radio today isnt technically demanding adn dont get me wrong i love modern day metal just as much as 80's music

Posted by: kevvyg Oct 24 2008, 01:15 PM

Yep, I agree with what you say - and so do a lot of people here. Basically, the (majority of) music you hear on the radio today is only there for one reason. To make Money. Talent is definitely not the main driving force. Look at all the girl and boy bands - they exist to extract pocket money from gullable teens. Sex is what sells this music. Especially the girl bands. Ever seen any real mingers in a girl band ?(!). And I doubt very much whether they write their songs or even know anything about music, as in theory. It'd be intersesting to find out if any of 'Girls Aloud' know what a harmonic minor scale, etc, is!!
I'm sure money played it's part in earlier music (The Monkeys...no, not the Arctic ones, although they did sidestep the money-grabbing record companies), but then the music seemed to bit more important. (Capitalism's ok, but it can get a bit out of control, as it has done. 40 million quid for a footballer?!) I'm still hoping for a resurgence of rock into mainstream, but I imagine I'll have to wait quite a while. (I'd quite like to see Disco make a come-back too - anybody else fans of Disco out there, or am I the only lover of Disco and Metal?!! Guitarists - think 'Chic').
I saw a programme on tele the other night featuring a couple of bands I've never heard of - 'Evile' and 'Goat the Head'. These were typical examples of rubbish modern metal. Apologies to any of their fans out there, but they were pretty poor!

KG

Posted by: Guitarman700 Oct 24 2008, 03:30 PM

Umm.. yeah. What? Evile Are a great thrash band, their helping to keep the genre alive, Megadeth played alot of shows with them as support, and they were just insanely good. more bands these days should play thrash like Evile and Slayer do, instead of all this emo metalcore crap Like bullet for my valentine, A7X and Killswitch engage. that garbage is killing metal.

Posted by: GuitarStar997 Oct 25 2008, 05:07 PM

you my friend, have a very good point, it seems as if whenever i seem to find a good guitar riff on the radio from some new band they wont have a good solo to back it up... i honestly believe that the talent of guitar players nowadays may excede the older ones (at least some guys) and yet no bands have any solos!!?!?!?!
its a terrible mix to be sure

Posted by: kevvyg Oct 28 2008, 02:12 PM

Oh well (Guitarman700), we're all entitled to our opinions, of course!
I wouldn't put A7X in the same mix with Bullet For My Valentine etc though - that may be stretching it a bit. BFMV and their ilk are definitely pop bands - I've only ever seen 10 year old girls wearing their T-shirts. I consider A7X to be pretty talented myself, although they may be a little technical for some people's tastes.
I really can't see how anyone can get excited about bands such as 'Evile'. They come over as a bit of a parody of themselves. I suppose if you like listening to pounding double bass and someone with a sore throat shouting incomprehensible lyrics, then that's great, but I prefer something a bit more musical. That's probably why they supported Megadeth, and not the other way around. Either that, or they were just cheap. Anyway, Each to his own, variety is the spice of life, etc.

Posted by: tommyboy Nov 3 2008, 12:43 AM

Ok, My 2 Cents , I grew up in the late 70's and 80's. Graduated highschool in 1986. I remember the first time I heard Crazy Train, Back in Black, Screaming for Vengeance, etc. I think your getting my drift.

My first reaction was Holy S**t! This stuff is hard and new but fun also. I'd never heard anything like it before. Blew me away. What caught my ear was the very catchy but heavy guitar sound. This was the next step from Hendricks, Clapton, etc. But little did I know it would be considered classic hard rock when I would be turning 40.

I think the guitar players Angus, Randy Rhoads, Van Halen etc. had really learned their instrument first and formost. The songs and band stuff came after. It wasn't about being in a rock band first and foremost. I think as time moved on younger players were more into being in a band more than trying to make great music. Take Grunge for example. Not my favorite and you sure don't hear many bands from that era much.

Personally, I think there in a lot of great new stuff out there. I'm a huge AX7 fan. Great Guitar work. Maybe with AC/DC's new album it will influence a new generation of guitar gods. But it is ironic when my 12 year old son likes my music much more than anything being produced today. Perhaps thats because of Guitar Hero but who knows. His friends make fun of him when he fires up his Twisted Sister YouTube videos. But he doesn't care he says it's just good music.

Who am I to argue with that logic,

tommyboy

Posted by: EmoScreamoHorrorCORE Nov 4 2008, 04:37 AM

Younger audiences either like it simple, are into the punk scene or like being screamed at with explosions of PM blaring through the amps. I for one like the instrumental aspect to Hardcore, Post-Hardcore, Grindcore, Exp...cause once you either block out or figure out the gibberish all you hear is the instruments. I don't need all kinds of fancy licks but most of the guitarist for those bands play hard and fast and me being the younger generation eats that stuff up...

Posted by: Rooks Nov 5 2008, 10:21 AM

Well that old school rock and heavy is not dead .. It's coming back allright Me and a friend are gonna play some band stuff..

And were mostly influenced by bands like AC/DC, Aerosmith, G'n'R, old school blues rock.. And theres a lot of people out there remembering the rock and heavy roots and taking it from there ...
Old school rock and heavy is coming back and will never die ...

Posted by: GuitarMonkey Mar 26 2009, 04:39 AM

The other problem is we all have 100,000 different ways to find music. THere are so many more avenues now to produce and release music. It is simply mindblowing to be able to sort it all out...find the good stuff.

Posted by: grathan Mar 28 2009, 07:40 PM

It is said that the Beatles practiced more times together before they got a record deal then the average band plays in their entire lifespan these days.

I grew up listening to classic rock on the radio thinkin one day they'll be playing Iron Maiden instead of Blue Oyster Cult, that day never came.

Hip hop pushed rock right off mtv.

We have such a diverse culture that every musical genre has a following.

And the money isn't there like it used to be and yet talentless people flood the scene with their garbage just because it is fun or perhaps they are avoiding real work for a living.


the bands you listed

were just so talented on so many levels. And they weren't really trying to sound like anybody else.( which seems to be the goal of modern musicians )


Some bands I've enjoyed though nowhere's near as much as the 80's metal:

Drowning Pool, System of a Down, Breaking Benjamin, Soilwork, Disturbed, Three Days Grace, Sevendust, Alter Bridge, Seether, Shinedown, and Godsmack