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Oct 8 2016, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Oct 7 2016, 01:37 PM)  if you have an amp profile of, something like a bluesbreaker, would that profile allow you run the 'amp' clean as well as dirty or do you have a clean profile and a dirty profile of the same amp? Like Wyverex says, the short answer is "yes, you would need 2 profiles". But I'll add: That's the difference between Kemper and an Axe FX. With Kemper you profile one snapshot of an amp/cabinet. It's a faithful rendition of that amp at one setting, but it doesn't model the control behavior of the original amp. On the other hand, an Axe FX completely models the amp, including exactly how it cleans up when you turn down the gain. The Kemper has conventional amp controls, so you can clean the sound up, but don't expect it to sound like the real thing when you do that. With a Kemper profile you can quickly get a specific sound that sounds great and there are no limits on how many different amps can be profiled. With an Axe FX you get a complete model of the amp with all the idiosyncrasies of the original. For example, having a full model of the amp allows you to capture things like the way the presence knob on a Bogner interacts with the gain. But you're limited to the few hundred amps that Fractal Audio has modeled. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Oct 8 2016, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 7 2016, 10:48 PM) But you're limited to the few hundred amps that Fractal Audio has modeled. "limited by a few hundred" ... put into 'real' perspective, having even 10 (actual, physical) amps is a lot! Are there even a few hundred amps (makes and models) in existence? This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 8 2016, 07:20 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 8 2016, 09:21 AM
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Hi Scott - I found these two vids very interesting...so even the pros were surprised by the Kemper profiler.
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Oct 8 2016, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Oct 8 2016, 06:20 AM) "limited by a few hundred" ... put into 'real' perspective, having even 10 (actual, physical) amps is a lot! Are there even a few hundred amps (makes and models) in existence? I meant to put a smiley face on that  . Here's the list of AxeFX amp models http://wiki.fractalaudio.com/axefx2/index....Amp:_all_modelsQUOTE (bleez @ Oct 8 2016, 07:52 AM) axe fx seem quite scarce over here. dont think Ive ever seen one in the usual uk sites. occasionally one pops up on ebay used for a lot of money. They do seem like an excellent unit though. regarding downloading Kemper profiles, Im guessing the sound will be affected by the guitar / pickups of the person profiling it so is it radically different when you play it through your guitar? I wouldn't be profiling my own rig I'd need to rely on other peoples. Is it the norm to use real pedals with it of are the built in effects what folks tend to stick with? The only place to buy a new Axe FX is from Fractal Audio. They have a liberal return policy, so basically you buy one, try it out, then return it if you don't like it. Yes, you've put your finger on a problem that is always a dilemma with profiles. A Kemper profile sounds true to the original amp when played with the profile creator's gear. For anybody else, it may or may not sound good. An Axe FX is faithful to the original amp and will sound like the original amp no matter what you plug into it. Kemper includes boost pedal models, but those are not a strong point of Kemper, so it's not unusual for someone to use a real boost pedal in front of it. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Oct 8 2016, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Oct 8 2016, 05:43 AM) I meant to put a smiley face on that . Here's the list of AxeFX amp models http://wiki.fractalaudio.com/axefx2/index....Amp:_all_modelsI know I was commenting more on what we have access to and even take for granted in guitarland these days. The shear amount of amps, pedals, modelers and decent quality, inexpensive instruments is astounding! This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 8 2016, 03:58 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 8 2016, 09:32 PM
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Years ago I did some beta testing for a software that samples studio gear (helped both the company and 3rd party developers). I'm not in touch anymore but they're doing a pretty good job these days https://www.acustica-audio.com/ .
A good and bad thing in sampling always adds or takes something from the sound. Like, one can place a pedal to the amp and sample them together (or use studio gear to sweeten the responce) to make a good sound-such customisations are what makes things fun. But on the other hand, someone can sample tweaked vst plug-ins and might sell them as sampled analog gear (be careful about that). In time, it becomes all about the sound and how much you like it-not how close to the real amp is. With something like an axe-fx there will always be comparing, we also have the custom-ir thing going on too so subjectivity is also involved. An axe-fx feels safer to me while Kemper more exciting. I demoed the first made axe-fx with a friend about a year ago and honestly prefered vst amp sounds of today I bet people sweared by it that it sounded just like a real amp those days  so how will todays axe-fx be 15 years later?the same firend asked me about the helix and I reminded him our experience+told him to continue inversting on analog gear as he already has a cool setup. This post has been edited by Mertay: Oct 8 2016, 09:35 PM |
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Oct 9 2016, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Oct 8 2016, 08:32 PM) In time, it becomes all about the sound and how much you like it-not how close to the real amp is. I would humbly say Yes and no. Yes, I agree emphasis will shift from mimicing a real amp to getting a pleasing sound. But I would disagree that it's all about the sound. There are now several digital amp modelers that objectively sound great. That's no longer enough to set you apart if you're trying to impress people with your amp modeler. The area where there is the most room for growth is the features that are peripheral to the sound. Things like user interface, remote control, signal routing, effects complexity, sharing community, DAW integration, etc. That's what will set the best modelers apart in the years ahead. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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Oct 9 2016, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Oct 9 2016, 01:05 AM) Maybe the type of sounds Im after are outwith the ability in my fingers  Quote from John Suhr, the famous guitar builder ... "practice cures most tone issues". -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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