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Jul 28 2008, 11:24 AM
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Sure,diminished scale also well know as a 8 notes scale.
 This scale,Locrian as well and some other similar scales aren't material to get everything from, like per example major or minor scales. When I say to get everything from I think of chord progression and steady root chord. Locrian per instance, you can play B Locrian over Bdim chord over and over and have Bdim as a root but sooner or latter you'll end up in Am key or C key,our ears/brains just aren't used to dim as a root,that's all. Diminished is something else tho, with 8 tones and whole-half tone construction it's used in Jazz a lot over certain chords to get jazzy vibe but it's not "a scale" that we're used to, more like a tool to get specific sounding licks. And you can create chord progression using whatever you like,even dim chords only. Problem is,you'll miss root chord with perfect 5th, just as I said earlier.
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Jul 28 2008, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jul 28 2008, 02:41 PM)  Is this the idea of jazz fusion stuff? When the chord progression goes from Am (and the aeolian/dorian scale) to Bdim (and locrian scale)? Basically what I mean is as the chord changes so does the scale? No,it would still be in key of Am, Bdim is just a chord from Am scale, that's why some people are making mistake when say "I play Am scale over Am chord,and then B Locrian over Bdim(Bm7/-5)" It's all in key of Am,Am is the root and so is Am scale. But if you take A Dorian as a root and then you play B Locrian over B dim then you are changing one note, F# from A Dorian becomes F in B Locrian, Tho there's a "problem", you cannot find Bdim chord in A Dorian. -------------------- Youtube
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Jul 28 2008, 06:30 PM
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So as long as the key of the song does not change, you should not change modes correct?
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Jul 28 2008, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jul 28 2008, 07:30 PM) So as long as the key of the song does not change, you should not change modes correct? Yes,cause all those modes we are talking about are already in root scale. QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jul 28 2008, 07:29 PM) You can only play A, C#, E, G#, B an octave above. So 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th over an A Major chord. Is this just pure nonesense that I've said? What notes in an A major scale will sound wrong over an A major chord? Those notes are working just fine over Am chord cause they are all part of A scale. Now,F# is also part of A scale but it doesn't sound that "stable" over A chord as note C# per example, cause C# is included in A chord as well. So,none of the notes from A scale would sound "wrong" over A chord, it's just that some would have more stability then other, like A ,C# and E notes per example.
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Jul 28 2008, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (fatb0t @ Jul 28 2008, 07:37 PM) So when you change chords to say B Dim, the chord in relation (B Dim in this case) to the Am scale will give it it's flavor - thus eliminating the needs to change to a different mode? Yes,you don't have to say it's B Locrian cause it's part of Am scale. But if you're playing something different than B Locrian over B dim chord then you're changing scale/mode of course.
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Jul 29 2008, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 28 2008, 09:39 PM) I know, like the shawn lane stuff. How do I make any decent chordprogressions from this 8tone scale. an example please!  And Btw, I ment the modes of the diminished scale. I thought since it has 8 notes, it must have 8 modes, with each a special feel. but maybe not, since it's fully diminished? It has 8 modes I guess but it's not often to use them as a modes, like we use modes from harmonic minor per example. Same problem with chord progression, you can play any chords you want made by notes of dim scale but it won't sound "descent", doesn't fit our ears,try it and you'll see. And the file you uploaded doesn't tell a lot tho. There is no chord is background to shows the root so it could be piece of anything,a major or minor scale.
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Jul 29 2008, 04:56 PM
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Well it's probably better since you have some chords
in backing but as you can hear,the result ain't pretty at all. That's why this mode is never in use as a root. I could have given you some similar examples but it won't help a lot since you know the notes and every progression you come up with would sound just like your,wicked.
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Jul 29 2008, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 29 2008, 07:16 PM) I actually think it was kind of cool. very different. I never tried anything locrian before It IS different, problem is that mainstream population doesn't like it. But if you like it then go for it,why not!!
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