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Dec 14 2009, 11:43 PM
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.......Not to quote myself, but, what I am trying to say here is. Don't let it strike
you down, but dudes, "Ride The Lightening." Use it to your benefit... (*bump*) |
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Dec 14 2009, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 14 2009, 11:43 PM)  .......Not to quote myself, but, what I am trying to say here is. Don't let it strike you down, but dudes, "Ride The Lightening." Use it to your benefit... (*bump*) Yeah, exactly! Be creative and use the tools now available, it's all out there! --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 14 2009, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 14 2009, 04:48 PM) Yeah, exactly! Be creative and use the tools now available, it's all out there! Fully Agreed! Hey, Do you Manage? he he he! |
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Dec 15 2009, 12:02 AM
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Thanks for your words of support intemperate but I'm not continuing at this point. Once I save enough money to live a whole year without a job then I can do a new album as that's how long it would take for such project without being able to do anything else. Even after I finish, there is no gurantee that I will get my 12 salaries back but I would go for that risk if I had enough savings. I hope you understand the difficulty. This is how we're all hard working musicians slowly dying in this modern world.
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Dec 15 2009, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 14 2009, 11:11 PM) - Sign with record label only if it allows you to also sell your work outside of their promotion and/or you get at least all expenses payed plus year in advance money to live nicely and do another record in the meanwhile. No label will give you this  If they allow you to sell stuff yourself then for sure you won't get the money for a year and the expenses. If you do get expenses covered and more money to live then the distribution must be theirs and you get your share. Even this option works only with rich and strong labels. With smaller indie labels you can only get manufacturing, distribution and promotion with no extra fee. In order to sign for the big label you either have to be a good looking girl or win some kind of x-factor or get your rich parrents help you with everything. No place for us man
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Dec 15 2009, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 12:11 AM) They are part of city's service which gets funds from government, so we are not talking about private business here but rather government sponsored place. I am very happy that I meet person in charge and his deputy director and needless to say I will accept one of the two if not both offers. Currently I am working on syllabus for Jazz program and the album I hope to do by the end of 2010 (thats will be one of my new years resolutions Thats the way it works for jazz musicians here in Sweden too. I have a lot of friends who are top-rated musicians but still they have to live with support from the government and annual funds. But still they survive - and they can play their beloved music, maybe not millionaires but happy anyway! QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 15 2009, 12:26 AM) In order to sign for the big label you either have to be a good looking girl or win some kind of x-factor or get your rich parrents help you with everything. No place for us man Agree to that Emir. Very few artists lasts more than a couple of years though. Pete Black from King Diamond (the guitar player) was one of my friends when we grew up. I heard he recently started to play again, but he became out of work when the band was not popular anymore, and started to do other things. What is obvious here is that in order to stay on top, You must at some point fire the record company and be in charge of Your own business - even that they may be a help at the beginning..... Then its of course a matter of what sells - I can't expect to sell any records with a vid showing me playing Swedish folk-music with a bagpipe totally nude.... 
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Dec 15 2009, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 14 2009, 11:42 PM) Then its of course a matter of what sells - I can't expect to sell any records with a vid showing me playing Swedish folk-music with a bagpipe totally nude.... I am not going to do electronic music which these days sells a lot. I've been playing guitar for so many years and if there are no people who can still enjoy something that you're actually doing with live both hands then I don't want to even think of going that down. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM
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I know what you're saying Pedja. I play gigs like that every week in London. Unfortunately that job can't cover all my monthly expenses as this city is crazy expensive. I am glad if it works for you.
This topic is about illegal music distribution. Why make albums if they don't sell and is there are way to make it work properly and by the law so we can think of recording music. We can all play like you do but in order to have something left in your career and something to send out to the world we need to make albums. The problem is that we are scared to invest time and money as they will not sell. I can spend the rest of my life playing in pubs and small clubs everyday but that's not the solution. That leads to cancer in about 6-7 years
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Dec 15 2009, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 15 2009, 01:00 AM) I am a creator and innovator and would still put you all before me! So what? Let's consider working together in some way (Consider GMC a cool beginning to be continued by everyone involved). And, Dudes, (starting with Emir), What do you say? What can we do about this? I can do more than just talk. (freaking *Bump*)....... Then let's inovate something
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Dec 15 2009, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 01:16 AM) Hm don't get me wrong Stuffy, I don't have to live of government support and funds. In fact I pay my own salary from my own pocket to government every month more than 100 euros so that I could get a pension and all the rest when I grow old This is perfect because I have a product and they without any restrictions offer help. That money comes from governments budget and its meant to be used for cultural things in my town. They figure (and I don't blame them) that if I start a Jazz course or school and do it through them, government and city after all would benefit a lot.Thats what I meant, the musicians here have wages like everybody else and pay their incomne taxes as well , but they do get financial support from the government to cover a tour/a recording/other cultural events that will benefit the community. By funds (I dont know how to say in English) I really mean that there are organisations like SJRF (Swedish Jazz Association) who gives away prizes to the most creative artists every year. There is also a system that shall help the small jazz clubs doin gigs with well-known artists - eg. basically the system pays the difference to the musicians in wages of what the club can pay and what the musician really costs.... This money You can apply for once each year along with a touring calendar of the gigs You made... the more gigs = the more money You are likely to get. I didn't mean any social welfare or something like that.... //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 15 2009, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM) I know what you're saying Pedja. I play gigs like that every week in London. Unfortunately that job can't cover all my monthly expenses as this city is crazy expensive. I am glad if it works for you. This topic is about illegal music distribution. Why make albums if they don't sell and is there are way to make it work properly and by the law so we can think of recording music. We can all play like you do but in order to have something left in your career and something to send out to the world we need to make albums. The problem is that we are scared to invest time and money as they will not sell. I can spend the rest of my life playing in pubs and small clubs everyday but that's not the solution. That leads to cancer in about 6-7 years Yeah, I agree to that one Emir! But I dont think things really dont changed regarding this fact over the past 25 years. Yesterdays people were copying on tapes instead.... When I started my musical career (if You can call it that..  ) it was really a DREAM to ever been able to make a record since the monopoly was even greater than today. There was no indie labels, small company's etc. simply because of that the equipment/expenses involved was far too high. So getting a record deal back then was really like winning on Lotto - You was more or less guaranteed success since all the power was in the big company's hands. So You just had two options: Play by the big companys rules and create some crappy commercial piece of music OR become a session player doin small gigs and MAYBE a record once in a while as well as hopping in on others. (like You do, if I got it right?) I will say that it is even better today, since You can at least maybe find some other people/label/studio to share the expenses for an album - also an album doesn't cost some 30-40.000 $ like in the old days. But to return to the subject, as far I can see the pirating itself hasn't change any of the conditions for beeing a succesful musician and beeing able to make a living out of it. Things are loosening up a little bit in the past years due to other factors on the internet/in the business, but I hope it will be even better in the future... I can very well understand Your frustration over the subject - but at least You have the OPPORTUNITY to make a record, which I didn't when I started out. (just because of the money and the record monopoly) Summing up: Before the pirating/change of the conditions - independant/creative musicians cant made a living out of selling records. Today - same situation but at least the records can be made.... Therefore I'm positive to the way of how things are changing - cause it cant be any worser than it was before..... //Staffay This post has been edited by Staffy: Dec 15 2009, 08:54 AM -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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