Zen's December Mtp Thread, Weekly assignments and uploads here |
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Zen's December Mtp Thread, Weekly assignments and uploads here |
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Dec 3 2009, 02:09 PM |
Hi Zen,
Welcome back to MTP program. I am sorry about misunderstanding in November. Very happy that we are officially starting now in December with no hold backs of any kind! Since you did awesome with your 1st assignment in November, I am just going to go ahead and extend that same assignment to get you going in December. Feel free to copy and paste work you did for C major, but you will be required to put an extra effort and do it for G and F major as well. Here is your 1st assignment for December! Your 1st assignment for December is due week from today (10th of December) Here is your assignment Theory reading : - I would like you to read my posts from links provided below. - Once you read it all, memorize 3 and 4 part harmony in C major scale. - Learn to apply scale degrees rather then numbers ( I in C major is C, IV in C is F etc). - Write out in this thread all notes for 3 and 4 part harmony in C major as well as in F and G major scales. Here are the links: Major scale harmony and chord functions Cadences Let me know if you have any questions and if I could help in any way! Pedja |
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Dec 4 2009, 01:17 AM |
Thanks Pedja, Been looking forward to this.
I've always been confused with theory, so I'll ask a lot of questions along the way.. Some of them are: (1) When you say that I can "substitute" chords on scale degrees I III VI (for example), by substitution do you mean that If in a composition on C major scale, I can use either of those chords as tonic bases? Or does that mean that they are harmonies of each other? (2) To a novice like myself, I always thought harmonies are played on the 3rd or 5th notes of the scale , for example a lick played somewhere around the root and then I play the same lick starting from the 3rd and 5th of that scale, to get it's harmonies. I am unable to relate the the harmonies chapter I read to this simple understanding I had in terms of practical application. (3) Is there a typo under 'dominant type function area'? VI scale degree is mentioned as B diminished.. Should'nt that be VII scale degree? I suspect it's a typo. I've started going through cadence.... More stupid questions to follow Zen -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 4 2009, 11:40 AM |
Thanks Pedja for replying to my questions..
Now for the assignment: 3 part/note/triadic type harmony in C Major scale Notes of C Major Scale - C D E F G A B C I,IV,V scale degrees - Major Chrods II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor Chords VII scale degree - Diminished Chord Hence, I------C Maj-----C E G (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with root C) II-----D Min-----D F A (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note D) III-----E Min-----E G B (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note E) IV-----F Maj-----F A C (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note F) V------G Maj-----G B D (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note G) VI-----A Min------A C E (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note A) VII-----B Dim-------B D F (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note B ) VIII----C Maj-----C E G (1,3,5 of the C major scale starting with note C) 4 part/note type harmony in C Major scale I,IV scale degrees - Major 7 Chords II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor 7 chords V scale degree - Dominant 7 Chord (blues chord) VII scale degree - Minor 7b5 chord I ------ C Maj7 ------C E G B (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with root C) II ------D Min7 ------D F A C (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note D) III -----E Min7 -------E G B D (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note E) IV -----F Maj7 -------F A C E (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note F) V ------G dom7 ---G B D F (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note G) VI -----A Min7 -------A C E G (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note A) VII -----B Min7b5 ----B D F A (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note B ) VIII ----C Maj7 ------C E G B (1,3,5,7 of the C major scale starting with note C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 part/note/triadic type harmony in F Major scale Notes of F Major Scale - F G A Bb C D E F I,IV,V scale degrees - Major Chrods II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor Chords VII scale degree - Diminished Chord Hence, I --------F Maj------ F A C (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with root F) II -------G Min------ G Bb D (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note G) III ------A Min-------A C E (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note A) IV ------Bb Maj----- Bb D F (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note Bb) V -------C Maj------ C E G (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note C) VI ------D Min------- D F A (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note D) VII ------E Dim-------- E G Bb (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note E) VIII -----F Maj------- F A C (1,3,5 of the F major scale starting with note F) 4 part/note type harmony in F Major scale I,IV scale degrees - Major 7 Chords II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor 7 chords V scale degree - Dominant 7 Chord (blues chord) VII scale degree - Minor 7b5 chord I ---------F Maj7 -------F A C E (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with root F) II --------G Min7 -------G Bb D F (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note G) III -------A Min7 --------A C E G (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note A) IV --------Bb Maj7 ------Bb D F A (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note Bb) V --------C dom7 ----C E G Bb (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note C) VI --------D Min7 -------D F A C (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note D) VII -------E Min7b5 -----E G Bb D (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note E) VIII ------F Maj7 -------F A C E (1,3,5,7 of the F major scale starting with note F) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 part/note/triadic type harmony in G Major scale Notes of G Major Scale - G A B C D E F# G I,IV,V scale degrees - Major Chrods II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor Chords VII scale degree - Diminished Chord Hence, I -------G Maj----- G B D (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with root G) II -------A Min---- A C E (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note A) III ------B Min---- B D F# (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note B ) IV ------C Maj-----C E G (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note C) V -------D Maj---- D F# A (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note D) VI ------E Min----- E G B (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note E) VII -----F# Dim----- F# A C (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note F#) VIII ----G Maj----- G B D (1,3,5 of the G major scale starting with note G) 4 part/note type harmony in G Major scale I,IV scale degrees - Major 7 Chords II,III,VI scale degrees - Minor 7 chords V scale degree - Dominant 7 Chord (blues chord) VII scale degree - Minor 7b5 chord I --------G Maj7 ----------G B D F# (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with root G) II --------A Min7 ----------A C E G (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note A) III -------B Min7 ----------B D F# A (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note B ) IV -------C Maj7 ----------C E G B (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note C) V --------D Dom7 ------D F# A C (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note D) VI -------E Min7 ----------E G B D (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note E) VII ------F# Min7b5 -------F# A C E (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note F#) VIII ------G Maj7 ---------G B D F# (1,3,5,7 of the G major scale starting with note G) Edit: replaced Gb with F# and chord naming conventions This post has been edited by zen: Dec 4 2009, 01:13 PM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 4 2009, 12:49 PM |
Thanks Pedja, I'll adapt the formal chord symbols..
I'm staring very hard at the G Major scale but cant see the fault you mentioned ... -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 4 2009, 01:00 PM |
F# of course ... But i thought i could use Gb instead of it.. No?
So it will be ... G A B C D E F# G -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 4 2009, 01:22 PM |
Great .. Done Shortened the chord names and made the G major scale shiny
Some more questions on the 'rules': 1) In major scale, maj chords on I,IV,V ... min on II,III,VI... dim on VII ..... where did these rules come from? Why is a major chord not on II, III, or VI .. 2) Similar sort of question on the notes that make the tonic, dominant and sub dom functions.. there are some "must contains" (6th or 4th or 5th note etc) notes ... why only those notes in those functions? .. If this is an advanced topic or if i'm jumping the gun here, then please let me know. Or point me to an external link/text -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 5 2009, 05:00 AM |
Thanks Pedja .. After reading your replies thoroughly I think I've got the crux of it ...
I've finished reading modes and cadences.. No questions now but I'll have more when we start implementing it. By the way, i still cant play all the chords all over the neck that I've written down in this assignment.. i think we'll cover it gradually. Since I improve rather slowly, can you please nominate the REC lesson that I need to record by the end of the month, so I can start warming up to it? This post has been edited by zen: Dec 6 2009, 07:17 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 7 2009, 12:04 PM |
Thanks Pedja .. After reading your replies thoroughly I think I've got the crux of it ... I've finished reading modes and cadences.. No questions now but I'll have more when we start implementing it. By the way, i still cant play all the chords all over the neck that I've written down in this assignment.. i think we'll cover it gradually. Since I improve rather slowly, can you please nominate the REC lesson that I need to record by the end of the month, so I can start warming up to it? Zen since you mentioned having trouble with playing chords from major scale around the guitar neck I have a perfect lesson for you that you will do for REC. Triads in C major scale part 1 Consider this your REC assignment by the end of the month, start working on it every day and let me know if you got any questions! |
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Dec 7 2009, 12:53 PM |
Thanks Pedja.. Last month while waiting for the mtp to begin, i did learn those chords in C Major triad but the challenges are:
-- finger picking - some notes ring out louder than the others -- can memorize the sequence of chords as they are played on the neck in this exercise ... but struggling to randomly pick the chord in the sequence .. i noticed the maj & min chords have respective shapes in the strings they are played.... I'm trying to say that if i quiz myself that i wanna play F maj in 3-4-5 string straight away... Two ways of going through this 1- As per this exercise (since i've memorized the "sequence" i start from c maj on 3-4-5 strings 15th fret onwards and work my way down to F maj. OR 2 - find the F note on 5th string and use the pattern for maj chord. I'm slow in both the options at the moment.. Any techniques, tricks or ideas to learn to pick the defined chord directly? I think i should be able to post the video for this soon enough... hopefully. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 7 2009, 01:05 PM |
Great. Thanks for clearing that out Pedja ... I have already been working on some finger picking ... lets see how it goes.
I'll record a take much before the month is over hopefully... My challenge is to really know what I'm playing and to master it so i can randomize things, THAT will take some time.. will keep posting here on the progress. All the best for your solo performance.. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 8 2009, 01:44 PM |
I know you will do great with that one Zen, plenty of time to do it right. Solo performance went great, I have another one this Thursday which I will need to prepare some classical repertoire for as well (20-30 minutes at least) so I will work on that today and tomorrow. Let me know if you got any questions. Thanks Pedja, the finger picking is coming along much better and relaxed today. Are you going to post the next assignment on 10th? Great to hear about your performance .. and you got more gigs this week ... Awesome... i like classical stuff.... Regarding performances, how do you warm up before playing? can you share some of your warm up exercises that you do on a regular basis in your routine ? -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Dec 12 2009, 02:24 AM |
Thanks Pedja. Continuing to work on the lesson for REC.
Looking forward to the 2nd assignment This post has been edited by zen: Dec 12 2009, 03:10 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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