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Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 29 2008, 10:29 PM

Here it is guys, a collab is finally finished, it took me 3 hours to complete the comments so this means we had another monster collab on our hands


SUMMARY:

TYPE: GARY MOORE STYLE
PARTICIPANTS: 22
LENGTH: 12m 31s

Here are the comments. Again, like every time I must say that I'm just a human with subjective opinions and not a machine. I really tried to write the best possible comments, and please forgive me for all the typos, and potential misleads and mistakes.

I would like to thank each and everyone of you and compliment everyone, because now, after a few collab under my belt I'm quite familiar with your playing and can really tell what kind of progress you have made (and me along with you!). It is phenomenal to hear the final mix, and hear so much great and quality made solos. Thank you all again.

The participants are in a,b,c order:


Alex Lewis
Nice bending starting and staccato mini lick. After that
a cool legato mini run. All the time you are applying
some nice vibratos, which is great. You kinda little
loose the sustain on that bend - it would sound even
better if that bend remained up, such a feeling in there!
In the end we have a nice staccato licks again, great
phrasing, and a cool lick to finish off. The tone is
really nice and smooth, just right amount of drive, and
blends in nicely with the track. I have a couple of
suggestions, first, a more controlled vibrato would sound
even better, then that strong bend, it sounded great, and
it would really benefit from longer sustain. Also, the
structure of the solo was great in the first part, but
later, you seemed kinda what to do next. This is also a
good thing because I can see that you were improvising.
Great job.

Andrew Cockburn
Great intro bend and vibrato, and beautiful melodic
building, climbing more and more using wide precise bends
all the time and in the end a stunning "moore-ish" kind
of lick expressing burst of emotions. Great solo indeed,
tone is excellent to, smooth, and recognizable which is
always a great thing. If we really wanna go into
details, I would really wanted a little more clarity on
those runs, and faster executing of bends at some points
- that would make this solo perfect and even gary moore
would say that I suppose! excellent!

bluesrock
nice minimalistic approach, really adds certain laid back
vibe to the track, nice and gentle, with a good choice of
notes. It is really hard to play this kind of way, to be
able to play little notes and say a lot, and I think you
got it mate. Tone is cool too, if it were little smoother
it would be excellent, but that is a matter of personal
preference. One thing to add - although you have the
talent for that minimalistic approach, more practice is
desireable for achieving more smoother tone/feel and
phrasing. For example, you did great with those ghost
notes, why not throwing in some vibrato on some notes?
That would make this solo pro-sounding believe me. All in
all great job.

Caelumamittendum
starting of fast right away with some whammy licks that
sound really cool, then moving on to some more whammy
licks with a pinched that sound even cooler. Then seems
to me you glued on a second part, that starts with some
nice fast licks, applying some bends, and finishing of
nicely with pinched. regarding tone, it's a bit fuzzy but
ok, I noticed that you like this tone, so why not - if
it's ok to you than no problem. The solo itself is great,
whammy use is really cool, and adds to your style, it is
recognizable. Also executing it with taste and control is
something that you succeeded, but on the verge. Structure
of the solo is not too great, this includes the glued on
part too, but you did managed to make it cool and
complete. so, although you rule the whammy - more
practice on bends, vibrato, and precision whit the pick
in those fast runs.

chast
very interesting sounding minimalistic clean solo, with
some nice phrasings. bend release very nice, and those 2
similar licks, the second one by the octave higher really
sounded cool and expressive. The tone is a little ruff
and bassy, but very smooth and warm so I forgive. Also
in the end a nice expressive lick would lie down very
nicely intead of lets-get-back-to-the-root kinda way
sequence. Upgrading a little your lick library is what I
recommend, and also more use of bending/vibrato.

fatb0t
Nice nice intro from arppegio, very melodic build after
that, bend and vibrato cool, and climbing to the strong
note very nicely, then a great bending lick and a strong
expressive bend, followed by a cool run and several
successive bends that are very expressive too. WHat can I
say, this sounds great indeed. Everything is in it's
place, well thought, and very nicely structured, you have
a talent for melody and solo structuring, and also have
the technique to back it up. This is not the fastest solo
around, but it is one of the best, because of the
precision, and the clever choice of techniques and
phrases involved. I do have some thoughts of course, but
nothing concrete, just some fine tuning of all techniques
involved. As most people would say: it is good but it can
always be better, so more practicing on bends, vibrato,
and rhythm playing (to really lock on to that click) will
really really improve your playing, and take it to the
next level. great solo

Fran
nice bending start, and a lot of fast vibrato use. THen
some volume playing, and classic bending licks, followed
by a nice&expressive bend in the end to finish off. Tone
is nice, but a little harsh and buzzy, some playing with
drive pot can change that in a second. Melody building is
great, specially in the first part. Also that bending
lick in the end is very effective. WHat I suggest is
practicing bending more, to really execute those bends
not only precisely but fast too.this will really enhance
you playing imo. other than that it's great stuff.

Gilmore
great intro licks, two successive bending jewels with
awesome phrasing, very expressive. And them some nice
picking sequence, followed by nice bend/vibrato and some
more picking. Then some great fast and clear pentatonic
legato licks, some more, melodic building and in the end
a monster fast pentatonic run that really sounded just
like Moore's! Regarding tone it is really great, among
the best, I like that warm sound of the pick, and the
space is great too. I can see that you've practiced some
bending and vibrato, but bend+vibrato requers some more
work to really sound great an precise. If you played that
bend+vibrato (and you played them a lot) more precisely
and wider - it would sound like the great gary moore
itself. SOme minor mistakes besides that not worth
mentioning, and all in all a great solo.

Iluha
Nice start using legato and sustain, really gentle and
melodic. THen a sharp bend, and some sharp expressive
picking, a little pinched bend that lose a little
sustain, another one little shorter, and a good ending in
legato style again. TOne is cool, little buzzy, but it
can pass. Phrasing is great, and the feel is great too,
but again, those bend are a little problem that a couple
of hours hanging out with a click can sort out. Structure
is cool, and you have a feeling for rhythm, throwing in
notes on various places in the beat, and staying with th
click. Really cool soloing mate.


ItsME
And here we have some solo based on moore's sig licks,
very nicely executed, I can see that you used his solo
for inspiration, and it must have been inspiring because
it sounds great. Phrasing and tone are excellent, and
because you haven't used a lot of drive, it sounds even
more defined and mix-cutting. Reverb is little dull and
shallow, but it can pass. Bends are great, but
bend+vibrato can not be heard, and that is also one of
the trademarks of Gary Moore, and one of the very
important techniques to learn. So a metronome in hands a
to practice some vibrato technique.

jdriver
Nice clean start, great singlecoil sound, and gentle
melodic soloing. Minimal choice of notes, but maximal
effect because of the correct tone use. Also rhythmically
it is not dull at all, very nicely executed and carefully
chosen the place of the notes in the bars too. THose few
hammer-ons really add to the atmosphere nicely. Tone is
nice, little muddy, I would like it to be more sparkly,
but it's just a matter of preference really. If you were
trying to achieve that jazzy type of sound you were very
close indeed. I could only add maybe one bend and a
couple of vibratos to this solo and then for em it would
be even better. All in all good job man.

kaznie_NL
Nicely started with few notes, and panned guitars with
the left one on the 3rds. That is a very cool idea, and I
like the fact you made the part just like two guitars
were talking, and the left one just accents right's notes
here and there. Again clean and minimalistic approach
with a very very light crunch, so the tone is great. I
would like some more expressivness tho, like some nice
vibrated notes, to go along with those ghost slides.

Matt23
Starting fast with some bending licks, and taking of with
a whammy bar, then some nice staccato and bendings, and a
run in the end. THe sound is very muffled and scooped, it
really lacks a definition. Adding a little more mid
will solve this problem easily. regarding the playing it
is great, some nicely composed licks, and a decent
structure. In the middle part, there are some notes that
didn't quite fit in nicely, but hey, improvisation is
hard of course, only the masters play every note right.
So more practicing on bends, and more precise execution
of that run in the end will make it soudn even better
mate. Good job.

MickeM
again some nice melodic licks similar to gary moore's but
then but with nice personal seal too. THose bends are
very nice, and that one in the middle is not quite on
pitch but OK, the second part seems a bit different and
really like you you came back to bass notes. Those
melodic passages really have the gary moore vibe. Playing
is cool, the tone is very nice, not to bright and harsh.
Everything is in it's place as far as the structure goes
too, the only thing I can comment is that unprecise bend,
and a couple of notes that were not on click, besides
that it is a great solo indeed.

Organized_Confusion
Nice start, very interesting and melodic, with great
accentuation of strong notes. Then we have some natural
harmonics nicely blended in, followed by some beautifull
melodic passages, and in the end a couple of notes to
finish off. All in all a very nice little solo, small
choice of notes, but effective and the phrasing was good
too. I would prefer some bends and vibrato too, to really
add to expressivness of the solo, but it can pass of
course. Tone is also very nice and gentle.

Siggum
Very nice tone, and great start with some excellent notes
and (little unsecure) bends, Great phrasing, and melodic
building. In the second part a nice climbing, and some
great finish bends. tone is great, little punchy and
trebly, but not harsh and ear-piercing, it sounds pretty
good, and it cuts through the mix nicely. Regarding the
playing, it is great, and the structure of the solo is
good as well, but what the solo would really benefit even
more is from longer and more secure bends. You seem to
hold them too short, not holding them in pitch correctly
and vibrate the string which adds to the incorrectness of
the pitch. But no worries there, with a littel practice,
and more stable bends, this solo is one of the best
around.

silentkap
Nice legato intro, and melodic seqeunce. The you change a
key a go into a different pentatonic scale, but it sounds
cool nevertheless, very fresh. Tone is really cool, lots
of space there, and smooth sounding. I prefer less space,
but this is OK if you like it that way, the guitar seems
to far in the distance somehow. The choice of notes is
very good, but it can be even better, with a good
effective ending. What you would benefit from the most is
practicing some licks, and scale theory. ALso a small run
would sound great in there.

skennigton
starting off nicely with a couple of notes, and carrying on in a
great melodic manner, using a couple of slides along the way.
then a cool bend in the middle, and a little climbing up, then
another bending lick, and another climbing for the end of the
solo. Tone is great, very mellow and gentle, but also with just
right amount of drive. Space is cool too, perhaps little long, but
if you like it it's cool to me as well. regarding playing, it's all there
in a nice decent structure, and nicely balanced. The only thing I
would suggest is add a couple of bends here and there. This will
really give the solo another dimension, and make it even better.
Great job man.

Slammer
Nice bending start, and some bending licks with some nice
phrasing, followed by some crazy and fast pentatonic
legato runs in the style of gary moore. the running
continues to the end where you finish off with - guess
what a pentatonic run! tone is cool, little harsh and
scooped but OK. The structure of the solo is not too
cool, because you seemed ok at starts, moved to
pentatonic runs, but stayed on them almost exclusively
till the end. If you only stopped for a moment for some
nice expressive slow licks it would be even better, but
this way is nice too. Pentatonic runs are ok, more or
less, needs more precision and clarity, but fast and
furious indeed! Great playing.

Smells
And smells plays it cool and melodic! nice melody right
from the start, simple but very very expressive and
effective. I really liked the part where your guitar
becomes louder and adds more drive. Those bends are
really moving, and I can really feel them, that's how
good they are. Also vibrato is very good too, but not too
precise on bends. Must work on that a bit mate, and it
will be phenomenal. The run in the end is a like and
icing on the cake, cutting through a mix like a sharp
knife and penetrating right through the hearth. Tone is
great, and other than some fine tuning of your technique
i have no complaints. Great playing.

TJchep
Great start with those bend+releases, and vibratos. Also
some whammy played once in a while and with taste really
adds to the mood. THat little run in the end is also nice
one, within the limits and played good and clear. tone is
smooth and nice man, i can recognize it always, as so
your style. Keep rockin TJ, you have the talent for
expression, and if you work hard, I think you can really
sound great in some time. Work more on bend+vibrato, and
try to incorporate some sliding techniques that will go
along nicely with those legato passages you are found
off.

UncleSkillet
Great intro bends, a small run and some great expressive
bendings with a vibrato on top too. in the second part,
some nice passages, and two string intervals descending.
a small ascend again and a great emotional bend to finish
up nicely. tone is really great, trebly, but not harsh at
all, really smooth and mix-cutting. The structure of the
solo is great too, improvised great and keeping a steady
balance until the end in a little bit of this-little bit
of that manner. You play vibrato nicely, but some more
work on bend+vibrato is gonna make your playing even
greater and even more expressive mate. Great job.

wrk
And for last, but far away from worse (more to say like
the best imo), comes wrk, and plays it very smooth and
relaxed, with some great bends and melodic sequences. The
color is great, very warm and smooth, and phrasing
excellent, with a lot of taste and feeling for both the
rhythm and harmony. I got nothing to complain here, maybe
only to throw in a suggestion about those bends+vibratos.
THey are good, but not great. Your playing is great.


MINE TAKE:

OK for the end you can hear my take from my next lesson: Gary Moore Style Intermediate/Advanced that will be live soon. Stay tuned.







THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING!

Posted by: MickeM Jul 29 2008, 10:35 PM

Thanks for managing this cool collaboration and comments Ivan!

Yeah, there was one bend in particulat that was sour - never got time to re-record it or I would cos it was getting on my nerves

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 29 2008, 10:37 PM

don't worry mate, it sounds great nevertheless. I make those kind of mistakes too, and after recording they pierce mu ears, but hey, we're all humans,sometimes it is cool to make a mistake.

Posted by: Smells Jul 29 2008, 10:41 PM

great collab Ivan, inspiring backing, really enjoyed doing it, thank you for the kind comments and totally agree with your points 100%, thanks

Posted by: chast Jul 29 2008, 10:49 PM

Really cool collab
And Ivan you are totally right, I really need to expand my lick vocubalary

Posted by: Siggum Jul 29 2008, 10:51 PM

Very nice effort Ivan, monster collab by the way i love the audience clap, its quite funny i was thinking about doing the same thing today

Posted by: Fran Jul 29 2008, 11:03 PM

Awesome mix Ivan, the people clapping and whistling is an awesome touch in between takes!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jul 29 2008, 11:44 PM

Thanks for this collab Ivan.It was a great backing and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great feedback also

Posted by: wrk Jul 29 2008, 11:58 PM

Thank you Ivan!!
Your feedback and suggestions for improvements on everybody's take are really spot on, but still respects space for everybody's personal taste ... what is really difficult i guess. You have a great sense for that and its really helpful.

Concerning my take, i'm more and more aware of what you suggested ... i focus a lot on phrasing, bends and vibrato while playing, but it still does not turn out the way i would like, but there is some progress and i'm sure it will come one day ..

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 30 2008, 12:05 AM

Thanks guys, it was my pleasure really


One more comment I unintentionally left out and that is Fran's. I apologize about that, I must have skipped it somehow during mixing or something. I will fix this ASAP no worries!

Posted by: Fran Jul 30 2008, 12:17 AM

No need to apologize Ivan!

Your collabs are huge and my take is included, it's just the comments that are missing and the take isn't really good , but I always learn from your comments so I'll be looking forward to them.

Keep making excellent collabs Ivan

Posted by: UncleSkillet Jul 30 2008, 12:17 AM

Great job everyone!!

Mix is very good Ivan. Thanks for the collab and great backing once again.

Thank you very much for your the kind words and feadback. Your 100% right about bends + vibrato and I will practice that. As for the treble thing, I think I over did it some to probably. My lose of hearing has been hard to deal with and I just needed to hear and feal what I was doing. We have the same taste in amps though. I also used a Britt j-800 amp model like in your leason. Similar settings but I put a Tube Screamer stomp box in front to give it more punch.

Cheers

Posted by: Gus Jul 30 2008, 12:27 AM

Amazing collab. And specially, amazing take Ivan. The lesson from it is definitely going into my bookmark!

Posted by: skennington Jul 30 2008, 12:52 AM

Awesome collab Ivan and great mix, I just wished mine was in it.. I know these things must take a ton of time so no worries man. If you do decide to mix it in, use the 2nd take I posted near the end of the uploads thread, It's a better effort.

Thanks again man and all you guys did a great job!

Posted by: kyldeee Jul 30 2008, 01:10 AM

Cool, Great work guys I really love Gilmore's and wrk's takes, they blew my mind

Posted by: Slammer Jul 30 2008, 02:08 AM

Great Job everyone.

thanks alot Ivan for making these great Collabs

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 30 2008, 02:15 AM

Wow, a monster collab!

Thanks for running it and spending the time on the comments!!

Thanks for the complimentary things you said about my part - you were spot on with your comments about the clarity of some of the faster runs, something I will continue to work on

Posted by: Gilmore Jul 30 2008, 09:20 AM

Thanks for the comments.

I agree with wrk about working on phrasing, that´s what I do too nowdays instead of playing random fast licks. But I think Moore solos should include some fast tasteful runs, it´s fun to play fast sometimes if it´s expressive and done well.

Great solos from everyone.

Posted by: wrk Jul 30 2008, 09:38 AM

I really liked the fast part in the middle of your take. I still try to figure out how you did it ... really well done and for sure a GM signature how Ivan use to say

Posted by: stickyfingers Jul 30 2008, 09:57 AM

great work, guys! just listened to the final mix, next time i'm in ;P

Posted by: Gilmore Jul 30 2008, 10:22 AM

It´s really a simple Am Pentatonic run in one position at the 5th fret and one or two extra notes probably from Dorian or Aolian scale. You play it back and forth as fast as you can, play decending and suddenly go back one note or two and decend again, repeat it few times accross the scale, I was going for a simular run in Still got the blues, at the end of the first solo, but that´s played an octive higher at 17th fret, extreamly fast, and it´s hard to put it down on tablature because it´s so fast. Easiest thing to do is listen and get as close as possible. I think Gary plays it different every time.

The end run was played at the 12th fret, using some blend of Am penta some Dorian or A minor scale, I´m not sure.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 30 2008, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the comments, Ivan! I've really started taking all these comments and advice in, trying to use them to become a better play!

Looking forward to your next collab!

Posted by: Matt23 Jul 30 2008, 10:37 AM

Thanks for the comments Ivan.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 30 2008, 11:44 AM

No problem guys it was my pleasure

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 30 2008, 01:56 PM

You say so... I had no idea I used 3rd notes

Thnx for the comment! I was prety proud of this take

Posted by: Iluha Jul 30 2008, 02:38 PM

Thanks for the comments Ivan, it was a really great collab!

The slightly pinched bends you'r talking about are actually on purpose... but the device I'm using to record really kills some of the sound.. it sounds much better through my amp

Thanks for all the efforts and keep making these great collabs man!

Posted by: fatb0t Jul 30 2008, 02:42 PM

Awesome collab Ivan! Your attention to detail for these things are unparalleled! Your critizism always spot on! Thanks so much man.

Posted by: skennington Jul 30 2008, 08:37 PM

Thanks for the remix and adding my take Ivan! You are the man! Alot went into this on your part and I want you to know it is greatly appreciated! Thanks for the great advice and comments as well.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Jul 30 2008, 09:25 PM

THanks guys it means a lot you saying that I will try to improve even more!

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Jul 30 2008, 11:18 PM

congrats Guys nice works

Posted by: ItsMe Jul 31 2008, 06:40 PM

that was a really nice collab

Posted by: jdriver Aug 1 2008, 05:03 AM

We have got a talented and outgoing group with these collaborations. It is a pleasure working with you all.

Kaznie-- you are like me, I couldn't tell you what I played, I just played it!

Posted by: wollace03 Aug 1 2008, 10:22 AM

i wanna congratulate you all!

i really enjoyed listening to the final mix and i am definitly lokking forward to participate in one, too!!!

i hope there are many collaborations in the future!

keep on rocking!

Posted by: kaznie_NL Aug 1 2008, 07:57 PM

I tried some writing and it helps, just make a little start and add some pieces. And then just do your improvisations using parts of the written solo. that worked for me. but the theory..I know the Pentatonic scale (which I used) but the sliding to the 3rd... Ivan says so, so it is so