GMC Forum _ PRACTICE ROOM _ Improvisation Course I
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 26 2015, 07:15 PM
Hello everybody!
Welcome to the first forum Improvisation Workout. This program will be based on the improvisation course that I've given at my video chat lessons some months ago and many of you have missed.
Joining this workout doesn't mean that you have to stop other guitar works. This should take 30 minutes per day. I'll expect an audio file from you playing each assignment at the end of the week to let me give monitor your progress.
Who is interested in joining? Please be sure that you can follow the whole course. I want brave and hard working GMCers here!
The program is:
5 Modules - 12 assignments - 12 weeks
IMPROVISATION COURSE - FROM ZERO TO HERO -
Level 1:
Module 1: Major Scales
1. Major Scale (Shapes, sequences & arpeggios) 2. Pentatonic Major Scale
Module 2: Minor Scales
1. Minor Scale (Shapes, sequences & arpeggios) 2. Pentatonic Minor Scale
Module 3: Three notes per string scales
1. Minor Scale (Three notes per string shapes) 2. Major Scale (Three notes per string shapes)
Module 4: Major and Minor Arpeggios
1. Major Arpeggios 2. Minor Arpeggios
Module 5: Extending the fret-board
1. Changing Positions 2. Three Octave Scales 3. Passing notes and chromatism
Posted by: fzalfa Aug 26 2015, 07:17 PM
i'm on !!!! i have dream about it and i need this !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 26 2015, 07:18 PM
You're welcome laurent!
Posted by: Tom51 Aug 26 2015, 08:00 PM
Sounds like a lot of great stuff to learn. I am in and will give my best. Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 27 2015, 01:13 PM
Great guys! So we already have 3 participants here:
fzalfa Tom51 Petr (he's sent a PM)
Anybody else?
Posted by: Sensible Jones Aug 27 2015, 04:09 PM
I'd like to do this again Gabi! I know I missed the last couple of modules from the first time around!
Posted by: Aris Aug 27 2015, 09:39 PM
I m working on this already, so I m definitely in!
Posted by: fzalfa Aug 27 2015, 10:05 PM
yeepee
we are 5 !!
when did we start ??? i want to start fro mzero and go to, where i can
Laurent
Posted by: Alex5 Aug 27 2015, 10:15 PM
I'd like but unfortunatly I haven't enough time for it
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 28 2015, 09:28 PM
Awesome! So we have 5 participants! Good number.
fzalfa Tom51 Petr (he's sent a PM) Sensible Jones Aris
The inscription will be still open during the weekend and then on Tuesday we'll start.
EDIT: We have the number 6!
lpguitar92
Posted by: Daeron Aug 28 2015, 09:37 PM
This course seems very interesting but I think that it's not really for beginners, is it ?
Posted by: fzalfa Aug 28 2015, 10:49 PM
Cooolll et de 7 !!!!
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 29 2015, 02:19 AM
QUOTE (Daeron @ Aug 28 2015, 05:37 PM)
This course seems very interesting but I think that it's not really for beginners, is it ?
The tittle says it... from zero to hero. It's for hard worked beginners.
Posted by: Daeron Aug 29 2015, 06:58 AM
Ok, so I think it will be good for my motivation ! I'm in !
Posted by: fzalfa Aug 29 2015, 07:09 AM
youpi !!
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 29 2015, 02:19 PM
Ok! so we have:
fzalfa Tom51 Petr (he's sent a PM) Sensible Jones Aris lpguitar92 Daeron
Posted by: mad Aug 29 2015, 05:52 PM
Man! Just came back from vacation and now this
I'm in!
Posted by: n3m57 Aug 30 2015, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 26 2015, 06:15 PM)
IMPROVISATION COURSE - FROM ZERO ...
I'm in
Posted by: Nick6373 Aug 31 2015, 12:34 AM
I really wanna join this! I'm just worried I won't have enough time since school starts again for me right away and I'm in my final year...
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 31 2015, 12:49 AM
Ok guys! So this is the new list!
fzalfa Tom51 Petr (he's sent a PM) Sensible Jones Aris lpguitar92 Daeron Mad n3m57 Nick6373
Remember, it's a 12 weeks course and you need at least 30 minutes per day to work on the tasks. At the end of the course you will have a good knowledge of all the basic tools to improvise.
Posted by: fzalfa Aug 31 2015, 08:50 AM
no matter i have time for me and motivation
Laurent
Posted by: Phil66 Sep 2 2015, 05:42 PM
I'm in, I'll have to adjust my schedule and drop time on other things but improvisation is good to study.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 2 2015, 06:14 PM
ok
and when did we start ???? i'm in the starting blocks !!!
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 2 2015, 08:53 PM
Ok guys!! We are ready to start with this workout!!
Improvisation Course - WEEK #1
Here you can check the notes for #WEEK1: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42832&view=findpost&p=694411
About the CAGED system: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=2944 http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=2984
Video with some explanations about this week's explanation:
DEADLINE: September 12th.
Posted by: Phil66 Sep 2 2015, 09:05 PM
Sounds great Gab,
I hope I don't let you down.
Cheers
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 2 2015, 09:12 PM
Thank you Gab
Let's go !
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 2 2015, 10:17 PM
already at work !!!
first module is really good for me, i have learn a new way to plays !!! 90minutes of impro on the BT with all the arpegio, scales etc.... i had a lot of fun, so i keep workin on to assimilate to the end !
Laurent
Posted by: Phil66 Sep 2 2015, 10:40 PM
First question: Why is it called the caged system??
Cheers
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 3 2015, 01:16 AM
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 2 2015, 06:40 PM)
First question: Why is it called the caged system??
Cheers
The answer is on the "About the caged system: link 1". Have you read the CAGED sytem thread?
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 3 2015, 06:12 AM
CAGED is about the 5 open chord shape you can reproduce like a sequence, you can shift them according the tonality of your track
i'm right ?
Laurent
Posted by: Daeron Sep 3 2015, 07:20 AM
I printed the 2 courses about CAGED system and I'll read this today ! But I didn't understand what we are supposed to do this first week... arpeggios on I,V,IV,V ? And then ? We may record something and show you ?
Posted by: Phil66 Sep 3 2015, 08:28 AM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 3 2015, 01:16 AM)
The answer is on the "About the caged system: link 1". Have you read the CAGED sytem thread?
DOH I jumped the gun a bit there. Sorry
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 3 2015, 08:40 AM
Great. So lets see if I understood this right...
We have to learn the following: 1) C Major scale based on the open chord shapes of the C-A-G-E-D System 2) G Major scale (2 Patterns) 3) Diatonic sequences ***Question: where do these sequences come from? Is there any theory behing them or are this just good sounding sequences you created?
4) I-IV-V Arpeggios of the G Major scale
Once we are somewhat familiar with the above we should improvise against the backing and can apply any or all of the 4 things listed above.
Did I get this right? Is there a deadline?
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 3 2015, 08:50 AM
edit:
tom has read my toughts
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 3 2015, 01:00 PM
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 3 2015, 04:28 AM)
DOH I jumped the gun a bit there. Sorry
So now I'm the one who does the question. Why is this system called "CAGED"?
Posted by: Phil66 Sep 3 2015, 01:04 PM
It is based on the open chords C A G E and D and the scales built around those chord shapes.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 3 2015, 01:13 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 3 2015, 04:40 AM)
Great. So lets see if I understood this right...
We have to learn the following: 1) C Major scale based on the open chord shapes of the C-A-G-E-D System 2) G Major scale (2 Patterns) 3) Diatonic sequences ***Question: where do these sequences come from? Is there any theory behing them or are this just good sounding sequences you created?
4) I-IV-V Arpeggios of the G Major scale
Once we are somewhat familiar with the above we should improvise against the backing and can apply any or all of the 4 things listed above.
Did I get this right? Is there a deadline?
Hi Tom! Great questions!
Yes, that's everything you need to learn during this first week. Remember that the scale shapes are movable so once you learn the 5 shapes of C major, you already know the G major shapes, just that you start them from its roots-
About the diatonic sequences... diatonic means "using only the notes from the scale" and sequences means "an arrangemente of scale pitches whose relationships are repeated on each step of the scale". This arrangement is usually based on different intervals or patterns and the possibilities are infinite. On this assignment, the two sequences used are "groups of four" and "diatonic thirds".
About the deadline, it's supposed to be 1 week. But as we are just starting we will experiment and set it in 10 days. I'll add the date on the previous post.
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 3 2015, 01:33 PM
Ok, so if i understood : CAGED system shares the same form of "chords". If I play D chord, I can play 4 others position of D chord inspired by the form of C,A,G and E chords . (and conversely) There is 5 positions to know to play a chord from CAGED system.
am I right ?
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 3 2015, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 3 2015, 09:33 AM)
Ok, so if i understood : CAGED system shares the same form of "chords". If I play D chord, I can play 4 others position of D chord inspired by the form of C,A,G and E chords . (and conversely) There is 5 positions to know to play a chord from CAGED system.
am I right ?
Exactly! Feel free to post your own tabs or video showing this concept to let me check if you are totally right and also to help other students.
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 3 2015, 03:42 PM
Maybe I am too simple...lets say I move shape #2 (from your first link - the barre C chord) from C (on A string) to G (on E String) I will get G major . And if I go 2 frets higher to A (still E string)I will get A major (A B C# D E F# G#) and so on...
Okay...got it now. You can move these shapes around as long as they are between the same strings that belong the chord shape.
Wow ...that is easy only 5 shapes to know and all major scales are available ... Is that so?
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 3 2015, 06:17 PM
Edit:
i have trashed the previous file, because:
- too much notes, no breath.... - too much effect (flanger....) - not realy listenable
if you want to take a look.... https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/tesdt-impro
so this is another take, maybe better, maybe worst.... i have spend too much time today around this one.
i always do false notes.
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/test-impro-2
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 4 2015, 03:05 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 3 2015, 11:42 AM)
Maybe I am too simple...lets say I move shape #2 (from your first link - the barre C chord) from C (on A string) to G (on E String) I will get G major . And if I go 2 frets higher to A (still E string)I will get A major (A B C# D E F# G#) and so on...
Okay...got it now. You can move these shapes around as long as they are between the same strings that belong the chord shape.
Wow ...that is easy only 5 shapes to know and all major scales are available ... Is that so?
Hi Tom, the first thing that you've said isn't right. You can't take a shape and move the root to other string. If the chord starts on 5th string, you can move it on the same string and get the different chords and scales depending on the root. Please let me know if this is totally clear.
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 3 2015, 02:17 PM)
Edit:
i have trashed the previous file, because:
- too much notes, no breath.... - too much effect (flanger....) - not realy listenable
if you want to take a look.... https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/tesdt-impro
so this is another take, maybe better, maybe worst.... i have spend too much time today around this one.
i always do false notes.
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/test-impro-2
Laurent
Hi Laurent, great to find your take here.
I can say that your improvisation still has too many notes. You seem to be exploring the scale instead of saying something. As a training exercise, this is ok, because it lets you get familiar with the different notes from the scale. However, if this is the idea, I would play much slower to really be able to feel how each note connects with the backing. Try to avoid 16th notes, work with quarter and 8th notes, and use silences, let your ear breath. There is no hurry.
I particularly like the moment at 1:04, where you slow down and seem to be searching for a nice melody, try more of that. This kind of melodies, combined with silences is the way to go.
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 4 2015, 03:05 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 4 2015, 01:56 PM)
Hi Tom, the first thing that you've said isn't right. You can't take a shape and move the root to other string. If the chord starts on 5th string, you can move it on the same string and get the different chords and scales depending on the root. Please let me know if this is totally clear.
Yes its totally clear as I mixed A and E shape - I can only move them one the string of the root note.
Thanks Gab
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 4 2015, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 4 2015, 11:05 AM)
Yes its totally clear as I mixed A and E shape - I can only move them one the string of the root note.
Thanks Gab
Perfect.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 4 2015, 06:21 PM
QUOTE
I can say that your improvisation still has too many notes. You seem to be exploring the scale instead of saying something. As a training exercise, this is ok, because it lets you get familiar with the different notes from the scale. However, if this is the idea, I would play much slower to really be able to feel how each note connects with the backing. Try to avoid 16th notes, work with quarter and 8th notes, and use silences, let your ear breath. There is no hurry.
I particularly like the moment at 1:04, where you slow down and seem to be searching for a nice melody, try more of that. This kind of melodies, combined with silences is the way to go.
Hi
Yes i have put a lots of note, a way for try a lots of and xplore. i'll do less in the future
less notes.... of course
Laurent
16th are because i do some work with Todd !!!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 4 2015, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 4 2015, 02:21 PM)
Hi
Yes i have put a lots of note, a way for try a lots of and xplore. i'll do less in the future
less notes.... of course
Laurent
16th are because i do some work with Todd !!!
hehehe so let the 16th notes for him!
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 4 2015, 09:30 PM
It's very hard to make something ... I mean, cooking a real melody . I think the key is to create a simple melody, just a few notes, and after evolve it.
I'd try to share some take Sunday.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 4 2015, 11:56 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 4 2015, 05:30 PM)
It's very hard to make something ... I mean, cooking a real melody . I think the key is to create a simple melody, just a few notes, and after evolve it.
I'd try to share some take Sunday.
Yes, start with 1 note per chord, and then continue embellishing this idea. It's like constructing a building.
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 6 2015, 10:11 AM
Not sure If we should share one take by the deadline only or if we should also post something in between so that you can check if we "are getting out of control"
Nevertheless as this is my first improvisation ever - here is my first try. As you recommended I started with a very few notes only and tried to get to a simple melody that I repeat and change a little. Is that the way to go?
One think about theory: diatonic sequences again. I understood your explanations but still do not get the full picture. Whereas its no problem to get the five chord shapes and arpeggios in my hands I do not really know what to do with these sequences? Just learn and include in my playing?
Thanks Tom
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 7 2015, 08:58 AM
I think have the main melody, I've try to add some bend, pinch harmonic ...
Not sure If we should share one take by the deadline only or if we should also post something in between so that you can check if we "are getting out of control"
Nevertheless as this is my first improvisation ever - here is my first try. As you recommended I started with a very few notes only and tried to get to a simple melody that I repeat and change a little. Is that the way to go?
One think about theory: diatonic sequences again. I understood your explanations but still do not get the full picture. Whereas its no problem to get the five chord shapes and arpeggios in my hands I do not really know what to do with these sequences? Just learn and include in my playing?
Thanks Tom
Hi Tom! The idea is that you post takes every time you want or need it. It's helpful to use this thread to let students monitor everybody's progress and get inspiration from other student's takes.
Your work on this one is on the right track. This is exactly the type of work that you need to do to get familiar with the scale and its connection with the backing's chords. The idea is that you use this method to explore the whole neck. Try on parts of the scale that you are not familiar, go out of the comfort zone as an exercise.
Besides this, working on other two elements are required:
- musicality/phrasing: try to make your melodic lines more interesting. Based on this first take I think that the rhythm of your phrases could be more interesting. It becomes a bit repetitive after some measures. Listen to music and pay attention to how lead melodies (done with guitars, vocals or any other lead instrument) rhythm is worked, how it evolves.
One think about theory: diatonic sequences again. I understood your explanations but still do not get the full picture. Whereas its no problem to get the five chord shapes and arpeggios in my hands I do not really know what to do with these sequences? Just learn and include in my playing?
Thanks Tom
I suggest working on diatonic sequences to get familiar with the scale both technically and also regarding the sound of the different notes. The more sequences you practice the more tools you'll have to improvise and the more trained will be your ear. By now, playing the sequences up and down over the progression is enough. At the end of this course, your ear will be trained and you'll be able to identify when guitarists combine their phrases with sequences. Players like Yngwie Malmsteen, Gilbert, Kotzen, Zakk Wylde, do this all the time.
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 7 2015, 04:58 AM)
I think have the main melody, I've try to add some bend, pinch harmonic ...
Nice work mate! There are cool things happening on this one. I like the fact that your phases are clear and defined. The note choices are also cool on this solo. The only thing that I note is that you tend to repeat the phrases many times and it ends up sounding like an arrangement instead of a solo. It's not bad, but I'd like to hear you playing lines that evolve, and tell a story. Would you like to experiment with it?
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 7 2015, 07:44 AM)
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/test-impro-4
some ideas.... i play slowly
Laurent
Tasty playing Laurent! I like this new take much more! Your melodies sound good and your overall solo connects much better with the backing track. This is the way to go. Keep on experimenting on this direction.
Remember to also focus on expression techniques... vibrato, dynamics, bending, harmonics, etc....
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 7 2015, 04:55 PM
QUOTE
Remember to also focus on expression techniques... vibrato, dynamics, bending, harmonics, etc....
I'm glad to know that this take you seem nice
yes, i have found a melodic skeleton, so now, i must do the cosmetics pass
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 7 2015, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 7 2015, 12:55 PM)
I'm glad to know that this take you seem nice
yes, i have found a melodic skeleton, so now, i must do the cosmetics pass
Laurent
haha exactly, that's the next step.
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 8 2015, 10:54 AM
Ok, thank you Gab I'd try to tell something next time.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 8 2015, 01:30 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 8 2015, 06:54 AM)
Ok, thank you Gab I'd try to tell something next time.
Here is some inspiration... check this video... Don't you feel that Vai's guitar is talking?
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 9 2015, 08:59 AM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 8 2015, 12:30 PM)
Here is some inspiration... check this video... Don't you feel that Vai's guitar is talking?
Yeah Gab I understand what you mean. I need a lot of time (not 30 minutes per day, but 2 hours ) to create lines that evolve, it's like start literally from zero. I should try with Guitar Pro, add a track in the backing track tab and let my imagination lead me with my guitar in my hands and the scale display on the screen.
I guess, there is some "tips" or "tools" to know improvisation, like a form of musical logic, something to be respected ...
Sorry mates, I'm not really comfortable with english language, I hope what I mean is clear.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 9 2015, 03:27 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 9 2015, 04:59 AM)
Yeah Gab I understand what you mean. I need a lot of time (not 30 minutes per day, but 2 hours ) to create lines that evolve, it's like start literally from zero. I should try with Guitar Pro, add a track in the backing track tab and let my imagination lead me with my guitar in my hands and the scale display on the screen.
I guess, there is some "tips" or "tools" to know improvisation, like a form of musical logic, something to be respected ...
Sorry mates, I'm not really comfortable with english language, I hope what I mean is clear.
It's not that complex mate and it's not exactly the main goal of this first week of the course, however it's good to have it in mind while practicing. During this first part the idea is to get familiar with this scale and arpeggio shapes, start building melodies and analyze them. We will work on specific exercises to help you with the direction of your phrases.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 11 2015, 09:55 AM
Hello
this is a take from this morning, always some errors, false bend (outch....)but seem more rich than previous ones
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/impro-5
Laurent
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 11 2015, 11:21 AM
Nice fzalfa, I need your guitar skills
I have zero guitar theory and I would understand something, tell me if I right please :
G major scale = G - A - B - C - D -E - F# octave G - A - B - C ... So : 1 - 2- 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 octave 8 - 9 - 10- 11 ...
Arpeggios = Root - 3 - 5 Is it always +2 ?
Backing track = Root- 5 - 4 - 5 ( G - D - C - D)
I can play these shapes of arpeggios to follow the BT : G -> 1 - 3 - 5 D -> 5 -7 -9 C -> 4 - 6 - 8 D -> 5 - 7 - 9
I can make some inversion too, like :
G -> 3 - 5 - 1 D -> 9 - 7 - 5 C -> 8 - 4 - 6
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 11 2015, 11:50 AM
Yes, the G major scale is right so.
The major arpeggios that we use here are build like a major chords: Root+Major3rd+Perfect 5th which means base note plus 4 semitones (or frets) + 3 semitones.
G (base)-B(four semitones over the G)-D(three semitones over the B/seven semitones over the G
So for the C and D arpeggios you would have : C-E-G and D-F#-A
In case of minor they would change (Base+3+4)
Does it make sense?
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 11 2015, 12:16 PM
QUOTE
Nice fzalfa, I need your guitar skills smile.gif
i sukx guy !!!
my theory skill is at the minimal knowledge
i do not understand your notation.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 11 2015, 06:03 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 11 2015, 05:55 AM)
Hello
this is a take from this morning, always some errors, false bend (outch....)but seem more rich than previous ones
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/impro-5
Laurent
Hi Laurent! Nice new take! There is a lot of music happening here! You playing is becoming more and more melodic. There are some moments where your bends have issues, and also some sections where you are out of scale but most of the time your playing is melodic. Remember to use silences as a part of your phrasing, I feel that your phrasing needs to breath a bit... don't you note it?
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 11 2015, 07:21 AM)
Nice fzalfa, I need your guitar skills
I have zero guitar theory and I would understand something, tell me if I right please :
G major scale = G - A - B - C - D -E - F# octave G - A - B - C ... So : 1 - 2- 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 octave 8 - 9 - 10- 11 ...
Arpeggios = Root - 3 - 5 Is it always +2 ?
Backing track = Root- 5 - 4 - 5 ( G - D - C - D)
I can play these shapes of arpeggios to follow the BT : G -> 1 - 3 - 5 D -> 5 -7 -9 C -> 4 - 6 - 8 D -> 5 - 7 - 9
I can make some inversion too, like :
G -> 3 - 5 - 1 D -> 9 - 7 - 5 C -> 8 - 4 - 6
Hi mate,
Most of the things are correct here. However, if you want to understand the structure that builds the major scale I recommend you to check this articles:
Playing an arpeggio is playing the notes from a chord melodically (one after the other), instead of harmonically (all notes at the same time). Arpeggios as many notes as a chord can, from triads to extended chords. In this case we are using "triads", which are 3 notes chords or/and arpeggios.
Give a read to this: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=3342
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 11 2015, 07:09 PM
Hi Gab, deadline is near and here comes my take. Its really tricky to evolve a nice melody .The scale and arpeggio shapes are not in my fingers yet - I often have to think about it.
Some more feedback:
- practiced >1hr/day as I needed to read about theory and learn the scale and arpeggio shapes. I feel not 100% comfortable yet and would include a few minutes in the next part to better memorize what we learned on part 1.
-was trying to include a larger part of the fretboard but found out that connecting the shapes when going up and down needs much more practice
-my beginner playing skill were great obstacle for nice faster lines or up and down plays
-was trying to include at least some phrasing like bends, slides, hammer on and vibrato
-and last: I enjoyed this very much. Its a nice combination of learning some theory and applying it.
yes i note it, and this is a new take, with more breath and less notes
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/debut-pas-mal
Laurent
Posted by: Daeron Sep 11 2015, 11:02 PM
At the moment, I'm just able to listen to the backing track, follow its own melody/chord progression to play with the root note and then add some other notes (as the second or third interval) on one string. But I'm happy because this is yet a progress for me compared to scales.
Not sure there will be something melodic and listenable yet but I'm working on it.
I like this one very much. Very melodic, I can keep it in mind as a real melody. Congrats !
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 12 2015, 06:32 PM
Merci les gars
Thanks mates ! Glad you like it
Posted by: Sensible Jones Sep 12 2015, 08:56 PM
Here's mine Gabi. Completely improvised in one take. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/major-improv
Posted by: lpguitar92 Sep 13 2015, 06:23 AM
Hope you dont mind the youtube take, i found it difficult soloing over this one because I got bored easily and couldnt come up with much interesting things, i managed to throw in the Eric clapton quote in there haha. but i feel i was impatient and frustrated easily because im used to soloing over more modal , jazzy, or bluesy progressions.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 13 2015, 08:45 AM
this video is private.....
Laurent
Posted by: lpguitar92 Sep 13 2015, 07:15 PM
Fixed! thanks
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 13 2015, 07:45 AM)
this video is private.....
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 14 2015, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 11 2015, 03:09 PM)
Hi Gab, deadline is near and here comes my take. Its really tricky to evolve a nice melody .The scale and arpeggio shapes are not in my fingers yet - I often have to think about it.
Some more feedback:
- practiced >1hr/day as I needed to read about theory and learn the scale and arpeggio shapes. I feel not 100% comfortable yet and would include a few minutes in the next part to better memorize what we learned on part 1.
-was trying to include a larger part of the fretboard but found out that connecting the shapes when going up and down needs much more practice
-my beginner playing skill were great obstacle for nice faster lines or up and down plays
-was trying to include at least some phrasing like bends, slides, hammer on and vibrato
-and last: I enjoyed this very much. Its a nice combination of learning some theory and applying it.
Hi Tom!! Even with those things that you mark I have to say that you are doing an excellent work with this first week. You are playing tasty melodies while exploring the scales and arpeggios. I'm not expecting to hear flashy shredding solos on this. There is a lot to go be combining the notes to create nice phrases and using expressing techniques to make them sound even nicer. Keep on working like this.
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 11 2015, 04:29 PM)
yes i note it, and this is a new take, with more breath and less notes
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/debut-pas-mal
Laurent
Hi Laurent, I feel that your real solo starts in the second half, and I don't really note the use of silences to let your phrasing breath. Do you think it's there?
Some inspiration: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/The_tasty_etude/
Hi mate! Nice playing! I think that you solo evolves really well which shows that you are able to see your improvisation as a whole thing and as a song composer. The evolution is done by the quantity of notes of your phrasing but also with the addition of those nice harmonies in the end. I can also say that adding some silences here could let your phrasing breath a bit more, but the excellent work done with the evolution of your solo make it cool to hear. Keep on experimenting with this!
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 12 2015, 11:37 AM)
wooo, nice one N3m57 !!
another take, sorry no breath......
errors because i listen to me and i lost concentration....
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/fin-pas-mal
Laurent
The second half of this solo! Starting at 00:30! That's the direction! Please keep on exploring with this kind of simple but catchy melodies! Please avoid fast melodies at this point, and remember more silences!
QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Sep 12 2015, 04:56 PM)
Here's mine Gabi. Completely improvised in one take. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/major-improv
Very nice mate! I enjoyed your phrasing on this one as well as your tone. Your playing is catchy and your phrasing keep on evolving and exploring different elements to keep in interesting. I consider that this take shows that you have a good knowledge of the scale and arpeggios so the next step would be to try this concepts over different major backing tracks and see what happens. You can use Youtube or GMC lessons for this and off course you can share your takes with us here.
QUOTE (lpguitar92 @ Sep 13 2015, 02:23 AM)
Hope you dont mind the youtube take, i found it difficult soloing over this one because I got bored easily and couldnt come up with much interesting things, i managed to throw in the Eric clapton quote in there haha. but i feel i was impatient and frustrated easily because im used to soloing over more modal , jazzy, or bluesy progressions.
Hi mate! I like your playing over this one! This first assignment is designed to explore the concepts behind the caged system and arpeggios. The idea is to use it to learn the shapes, connect with the notes and also deleted those blind spots that we use to have in the fret-board. If you have all this things covered you can off course use some other backing tracks to create major melodies and phrasing and share them here to inspired other students... what do you think?
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 14 2015, 11:24 AM
QUOTE
I don't really note the use of silences to let your phrasing breath. Do you think it's there?
yes, in fact no, no silence, i must learn how to shut-up sometimes !
Laurent
Posted by: Sensible Jones Sep 14 2015, 12:26 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 14 2015, 12:31 AM)
Very nice mate! I enjoyed your phrasing on this one as well as your tone. Your playing is catchy and your phrasing keep on evolving and exploring different elements to keep in interesting. I consider that this take shows that you have a good knowledge of the scale and arpeggios so the next step would be to try this concepts over different major backing tracks and see what happens. You can use Youtube or GMC lessons for this and off course you can share your takes with us here.
Thanks Gabi!I'll definitely post some more takes using different backings during the week!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 14 2015, 01:00 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 14 2015, 07:24 AM)
yes, in fact no, no silence, i must learn how to shut-up sometimes !
Laurent
hahaha
QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Sep 14 2015, 08:26 AM)
Thanks Gabi!I'll definitely post some more takes using different backings during the week!
Cool!
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 14 2015, 02:11 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 13 2015, 11:31 PM)
Hi mate! Nice playing! I think that you solo evolves really well which shows that you are able to see your improvisation as a whole thing and as a song composer. The evolution is done by the quantity of notes of your phrasing but also with the addition of those nice harmonies in the end. I can also say that adding some silences here could let your phrasing breath a bit more, but the excellent work done with the evolution of your solo make it cool to hear. Keep on experimenting with this!
Thanks for the kind words Gab, I took all the night from Friday to Saturday to create the second half of this take lol
I really like playing melody and harmony but I need more knowledges about patterns/licks and mostly how I can use harmony. (2 guitars together like Iron Maiden)
What is the next step ? G Major Pentatonic ?
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 14 2015, 03:31 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 14 2015, 10:11 AM)
Thanks for the kind words Gab, I took all the night from Friday to Saturday to create the second half of this take lol
I really like playing melody and harmony but I need more knowledges about patterns/licks and mostly how I can use harmony. (2 guitars together like Iron Maiden)
What is the next step ? G Major Pentatonic ?
Keep on experimenting with this elements, you'll have news here soon.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 14 2015, 05:02 PM
i do not more take with this BT, i think have record near 16H on my HD, i do not do something better or dfiferent, This nice BT do not inspire me to play cool, this BT say -"play hard !!"
withouy joke, i cannot do more, this is my last take for this BT, i'm sorry for erros, but i'm really druged today, i had my second injection in my knee and to void fear (yes i fear needles) i take some strong stuff (ordoned by the doctor of course). then i can be injected without fight any people. (this is a small needle, 2cc of hyualuronic acid...)
Hi Gab, my attempt is here, took me a while to do even this short one .... https://soundcloud.com/petr-14/impro20150914
Petr
Posted by: mad Sep 15 2015, 11:26 AM
Hey Gab!
You can find my take in my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=54803&view=findpost&p=718426!
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 15 2015, 11:42 AM
nice mad & petr !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 15 2015, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 14 2015, 01:02 PM)
i do not more take with this BT, i think have record near 16H on my HD, i do not do something better or dfiferent, This nice BT do not inspire me to play cool, this BT say -"play hard !!"
withouy joke, i cannot do more, this is my last take for this BT, i'm sorry for erros, but i'm really druged today, i had my second injection in my knee and to void fear (yes i fear needles) i take some strong stuff (ordoned by the doctor of course). then i can be injected without fight any people. (this is a small needle, 2cc of hyualuronic acid...)
Awesome Laurent! I notice important improvements on this one. You are playing catchy melodies, and the overall solo has a clear structure that evolves naturally with the pass of the track. I consider this 10 days of practice as a win for you! Please remember to continue exploring on this mode melodic direction, and using faster parts to connect melodies not as the main thing, unless you are at the solo section.
Today I'll share an update on this course.
QUOTE (petr @ Sep 14 2015, 05:02 PM)
Hi Gab, my attempt is here, took me a while to do even this short one .... https://soundcloud.com/petr-14/impro20150914
Petr
Excellent work Petr!! This is exactly what I expected from the students that are starting to get familiar with this elements. Following the chords with a few notes to experiment with the scale, arpeggios and start to incorporate the different sounds that you can get. Keep on working like this!
QUOTE (mad @ Sep 15 2015, 07:26 AM)
Hey Gab!
You can find my take in my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=54803&view=findpost&p=718426!
Nice melody Mad! This could be a Satriani's song!
It's good to see that you worked hard to get a catchy melody, it's not the main purpose of the first week but it's the main goal of this course so you have reached a higher level, congrats!
Posted by: mad Sep 15 2015, 02:56 PM
Thanks Laurent! Your takes are evolving great! Sorry to hear about your knee - hope you get well, soon
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 15 2015, 03:44 PM
QUOTE
Awesome Laurent! I notice important improvements on this one. You are playing catchy melodies, and the overall solo has a clear structure that evolves naturally with the pass of the track. I consider this 10 days of practice as a win for you! Please remember to continue exploring on this mode melodic direction, and using faster parts to connect melodies not as the main thing, unless you are at the solo section.
Today I'll share an update on this course. wink.gif
thanks Gabriel, work seem to paid ! let's see the next level
QUOTE
Thanks Laurent! Your takes are evolving great!
thanks, i work work , and work again
QUOTE
Sorry to hear about your knee - hope you get well, soon wink.gif
unfortunatly, my right knee is dead, too much worn, worn by accident, but certainely a bit worn before cause of military intense stuuf (spend some years as paratrooper in foreign legion), so my only solution for now is to stabilise the tread of the knee with lubricat injection. a painfull story.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 15 2015, 04:38 PM
Improvisation Course - WEEK #2
Here you can check the notes for WEEK #2: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42832&view=findpost&p=694891
How to build the Major Pentatonic scale: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=49050
Video with some explanations about this week's explanation:
DEADLINE: September 25th.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 15 2015, 04:49 PM
yeah !!!! let's work !
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 15 2015, 08:08 PM
anddddd ZAP !
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/lesson-2-1
i feel inspirated by this BT
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 16 2015, 08:58 AM
may this one is far better..... am on the right way Gab ?
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/the-whole
Laurent
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 16 2015, 01:42 PM
very nice fzalfa, I like your tone and the way of your solo, you feel so inspired
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 16 2015, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 16 2015, 04:58 AM)
may this one is far better..... am on the right way Gab ?
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/the-whole
Laurent
Slash? Are you using Laurent's account??
This is your best entry for this course mate! Your playing is very tasty, your phrases are clear and your tone very cool to hear. It's awesome to see how melodic you can be. Keep on this direction!
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 16 2015, 05:07 PM
QUOTE
Slash? Are you using Laurent's account?? ohmy.gif
what ?? hey Slash !! go back to write some songs....
QUOTE
This is your best entry for this course mate! Your playing is very tasty, your phrases are clear and your tone very cool to hear. It's awesome to see how melodic you can be. Keep on this direction! smile.gif
thanks Gabriel, i keep the direction !! better is to come, i have discover some stuff today. i have try some lick with a slash like sound, it sound a bit like him... a bit only, i prefere to sound like myself
QUOTE
very nice fzalfa, I like your tone and the way of your solo, you feel so inspired smile.gif
thanks n3m57
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 16 2015, 08:33 PM
Hello....
it's me again...
this is my last take for this part, for the moment.
i think i may interrest you. i have put a lot in side and some more.
i have cut down the file, cause 6 minutes too listen me is boring, so this is the best part. the previous was a bit "hard", big sound with wha
i love this preset, few fx, near to have a bare guitare sound (in this case my €piphone LP studio)
Hi Laurent, nice playing! I also like your tone on this take. There are some ideas that I'd like to see you improving or exploring in your improvisation:
- More defined phrases. There are just a few moments there two consecutive phrases are related and seem to use the call and response concept. On this take you are sounding more melodic but your lines don't have a clear direction.
- Repeat phrases with slight variations.
- Dynamics. You are not using this element too much. Most of your solo has the same picking intensity.
- Bending: There no much bending here. Long bends say a lot!
- Vibrato: Experiment with different kinds of vibrato.
- Other ornamentation: More slides, harmonics, trills, there are many expressing tricks that could make your solo richer.
Posted by: Ken Slocum Sep 20 2015, 01:22 AM
Gab,
I know I missed the date...are you going to offer this course again? Thanks.....
Posted by: petr Sep 20 2015, 09:01 PM
Hi Gab, I found it more difficult to use the major pentatonic than the entire major scale for improvisation, it seems bit restrictive to me. I think im missing something here. Lets say you have G major backing and you are going to improvise over it. I understand that the pentatonic and the entire scale have different sound and feeling. So am I right that you decide before you start the improvisation what feeling you want it to have and based on that you use either the the pentatonic or the entire scale? And for the take you want us to share here - am I right that for this week we should use pentatonic only?
Thanks Petr
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 21 2015, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (Ken Slocum @ Sep 19 2015, 09:22 PM)
Gab,
I know I missed the date...are you going to offer this course again? Thanks.....
Hi Ken, yes, I'll offer this course again once it's finished however, feel free to join now. We are on week #2 but both first weeks are very related. Start working on the first week and share your recordings here.
QUOTE (petr @ Sep 20 2015, 05:01 PM)
Hi Gab, I found it more difficult to use the major pentatonic than the entire major scale for improvisation, it seems bit restrictive to me. I think im missing something here. Lets say you have G major backing and you are going to improvise over it. I understand that the pentatonic and the entire scale have different sound and feeling. So am I right that you decide before you start the improvisation what feeling you want it to have and based on that you use either the the pentatonic or the entire scale? And for the take you want us to share here - am I right that for this week we should use pentatonic only?
Thanks Petr
You're right. Using Pentatonic or full scale can give a different feel to your phrases. You can keep using one of them of combining both from phrase to phrase. On future assignments we will add stuff that will enrich the pentatonic more, but at this stage the idea is that you have a good control and knowledge of the pentatonic scale along the whole fret board.
This scale will be also used on styles like blues and jazz (and fusion), and that's were you'll get even clearer differences.
About the recording, it would be interesting to hear you improvising at least 1 minutes with Pentatonic and another minute combining both.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 23 2015, 08:33 PM
Hi here
this is my ultimate take for this lesson.
i have choose to done it with a few effects and played with fingers insteed of picking, this is new for me, i like this way for the feeling and the facility to let expression goes... but i have lost some power when playing, so certains notes aren't correctly hear
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/the-last-one
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 24 2015, 03:51 PM
Hi laurent! Nice work! That's what I call tasty playing! I enjoyed this take, your phrasing, and the tone that you get with playing with your fingers.
I think that playing at this speed will allow you to experiment by paying more attention to the note choices on strong beats, and also when you decide to play an accentuated note or a long note. Avoiding to stay too much or target on 4ths and diminished 5th will make your whole phrasing more connected with the chords from the backing.
Keep on working!
Posted by: Tom51 Sep 24 2015, 04:35 PM
Here comes my take for #2. Its not easy to make a tasty melody out of five notes Also to connect both G major pentatonic shapes is tricky.
https://soundcloud.com/user619267345/improassign2
Tomn
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 24 2015, 05:48 PM
Hey ! another take, but not with the same BT, not with the same tonality, but relative to our lesson
you can find here C# pentatonic major and C# Major scales into a very well know track (played by myself of course, i have proof, you can find errors !!! )
i have play this one with the idea to put in it what we have learn for now in this thread.
enjoy it ! i had a lot of fun while play it !!
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/le-parrain
Laurent
Posted by: petr Sep 24 2015, 11:28 PM
Hi Gab, please can you explain your comment for Laurent's take
"Avoiding to stay too much or target on 4ths and diminished 5th"
I thought we can use only the major pentatonic which doesnt contain 4ths and diminished 5th, I must be missing something here ....
Anyway I uploaded some ideas here, sorry for the quality ... https://soundcloud.com/petr-14/imp20150925
Petr
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 25 2015, 11:45 AM
Hi,
I think I used more major scale than pentatonic but I tried to mix both.
https://soundcloud.com/mathieu-nguyen-6/impro2
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 25 2015, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Sep 24 2015, 12:35 PM)
Here comes my take for #2. Its not easy to make a tasty melody out of five notes Also to connect both G major pentatonic shapes is tricky.
https://soundcloud.com/user619267345/improassign2
Tomn
Hi Tom! Excellent job!! Your playing is really tasty on this take. I like how you managed your phrasing and your note choices. You've felt limited but your recording doesn't sound like that, it sounds full and complete. Congratulations on your great job!
Keep on experimenting with this stuff.
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Sep 24 2015, 01:48 PM)
Hey ! another take, but not with the same BT, not with the same tonality, but relative to our lesson
you can find here C# pentatonic major and C# Major scales into a very well know track (played by myself of course, i have proof, you can find errors !!! )
i have play this one with the idea to put in it what we have learn for now in this thread.
enjoy it ! i had a lot of fun while play it !!
https://soundcloud.com/maxime-bon-3/le-parrain
Laurent
hehehe this is great Laurent!! I'm a big fan of Slash so this take reminded me to those teenager days when I used to watch GN'R live videos all day long. Your playing is really good on this one, I like how you took a melody and made it of your own, combining it with your own phrasing and licks.
I would adjust your guitar which is too noisy. I wonder if this is related to the use of too much distortion of maybe a cable that is not working good. Please try to discover the reason why your solo sound so noisy.
Keep on rocking!!
QUOTE (petr @ Sep 24 2015, 07:28 PM)
Hi Gab, please can you explain your comment for Laurent's take
"Avoiding to stay too much or target on 4ths and diminished 5th"
I thought we can use only the major pentatonic which doesnt contain 4ths and diminished 5th, I must be missing something here ....
Anyway I uploaded some ideas here, sorry for the quality ... https://soundcloud.com/petr-14/imp20150925
Petr
Hi Petr, his take was based on the third part of this week's works that is based on combining Pentatonic with Major scale, that's why he is using more notes. By the way, the intervals relationship when soloing is done with the chord sounding at each moment, so Pentatonic scale includes fourths of some of the chords from the backing.
Your take shows that you are getting familiar with the scale. I also notice that you are slowly starting to create phrases that connect and use the call and response idea. Work more on it! Listen to vocal melodies from your favorite songs, or even songs by players like Satriani or Andy Timmons to get inspiration on how to manage and connect phrasing.
Please keep on working on this.
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 25 2015, 03:45 PM
QUOTE
hehehe this is great Laurent!! I'm a big fan of Slash so this take reminded me to those teenager days when I used to watch GN'R live videos all day long
héhéhé, i have done this too, i have saw this solo in front of me in 1992 at paris while a GNR concert, i was very close to slash, i was amazed by this solo, and i always thouhgt never be able to done it.
now i can touche the hope to done it
QUOTE
Your playing is really good on this one
thank you Gabriel, i have try and i have done other take without errors.
QUOTE
I like how you took a melody and made it of your own, combining it with your own phrasing and licks.
yes, i start to have my own personality with playing guitar, i start to know how to play my own way, once again, work and practice pay.
QUOTE
Please try to discover the reason why your solo sound so noisy.
the recording level was too high, that's why the volume level get highter on the cool part.
QUOTE
Keep on rocking!!
of course !! and you too !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 25 2015, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 25 2015, 07:45 AM)
Hi,
I think I used more major scale than pentatonic but I tried to mix both.
https://soundcloud.com/mathieu-nguyen-6/impro2
Hi friend, your take is VERY musical!! It's true that you are using more the complete scale than pentatonic so it's ok to keep on practicing to be able to use both sounds but the good news are that this is a very musical solo, and that's the most important thing. Congratulations on your work here!
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 26 2015, 09:38 AM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Sep 25 2015, 03:10 PM)
Hi friend, your take is VERY musical!! It's true that you are using more the complete scale than pentatonic so it's ok to keep on practicing to be able to use both sounds but the good news are that this is a very musical solo, and that's the most important thing. Congratulations on your work here!
Thank you Gab, I'm feeling less like Ass
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 26 2015, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Sep 26 2015, 05:38 AM)
Thank you Gab, I'm feeling less like Ass
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 28 2015, 01:08 PM
NEXT !!!!
i need to be feed !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 28 2015, 01:40 PM
It's coming...
Posted by: slickster Sep 29 2015, 01:12 PM
Is it to late for me to jump in?
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 29 2015, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (slickster @ Sep 29 2015, 09:12 AM)
Is it to late for me to jump in?
Hi mate, no it's not! I was writing to join this course as a part of your routine. Check out your thread for Gab's Army. You have news there.
Ok guys, we won't take the "week" word the course seriously and we will see it more as Assignments. Why? Because I prefer to go deeper with this topics to be sure that you are the most of each one. As I noticed that you didn't have time to check and work on the complementary lessons for Major and Pentatonic Major scale, the next task is to dedicate this week to learn one of this lessons and provide one or both ot f this recordings:
- Playing the lessons as it is. You can also share this video at REC. - Record and improvisation over the backing track with variations of the lessons licks combined with your own ideas using the concepts covered.
This is the list of possible lessons, please choose one at your current level:
This will help a lot in understanding and internalizing what we learned about in the first two assignments. I will be IN. Deadline please?
Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Sep 30 2015, 04:32 PM
Deadline added!
Posted by: fzalfa Sep 30 2015, 04:35 PM
i'm f***in in !
then i choose......Major Pentatonic Intermediate Solo From Gabriel
Laurent
Posted by: n3m57 Sep 30 2015, 08:11 PM
Hi Gab,
I'm in of course ! The Tasty Etude lesson is very very nice, let's go !
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 1 2015, 02:31 PM
Cool guys! Please keep me updated about your progress.
Posted by: mad Oct 1 2015, 03:42 PM
In! I take the tasty etude
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 1 2015, 03:43 PM
first part learned....
Laurent
Posted by: Sensible Jones Oct 1 2015, 05:27 PM
Out of those I'm going to have a go at Jonathans Tasty Etudes!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 2 2015, 02:20 PM
Excellent guys!
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 4 2015, 05:58 PM
part #2 learned
next
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 5 2015, 02:46 PM
Great Laurent.
How is this going for everybody?
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 5 2015, 02:57 PM
All fine. I split the 10 days in 4 days for the lesson and 4 days for improvisation and one day recording each. So the lesson and video were recorded yesterday and I will use the remaining time for improvisation. I was afraid that if I do both in parallel and record the last day I will get confused. The bad news: I choose the same lesson that all the rockstars and tone seekers here do also....
Posted by: Sensible Jones Oct 5 2015, 04:00 PM
I'm struggling a little bit with some of the phrasing and dynamics, but I'm hoping to have it down by Friday!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 6 2015, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Oct 5 2015, 10:57 AM)
All fine. I split the 10 days in 4 days for the lesson and 4 days for improvisation and one day recording each. So the lesson and video were recorded yesterday and I will use the remaining time for improvisation. I was afraid that if I do both in parallel and record the last day I will get confused. The bad news: I choose the same lesson that all the rockstars and tone seekers here do also....
Good plan Tom. I think that these are only great news from you.
3 days to go guys!!
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 6 2015, 04:12 PM
3 Dayz ?
hope it's enought cause i have a lot to do , between my home child, my wife work at the days long, my older have a ton of mathematics to do, (i must re learn all my geometry basics....damn), my Todd's leson to do... pfffeww
but i can do it !
i'am working on part #3, almost mastered, but bit tricky, a little.
maybe i'll do a REC with , cause at my ears it sound almost good
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 6 2015, 08:51 PM
Hey laurent, please focus on quality over quantity. If you think that you cannot learn the whole lesson correctly, learn some parts of it but be deep with the practice, focus on details.
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 6 2015, 09:55 PM
ok, it's true
but i already have learn the biggest and hardest parts, i"ll do a record tomorow and post you the link.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 7 2015, 01:53 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 6 2015, 05:55 PM)
ok, it's true
but i already have learn the biggest and hardest parts, i"ll do a record tomorow and post you the link.
Laurent
Ok! Looking forward your take.
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 8 2015, 06:22 PM
Here are my recordings for assignment#3:
The Tasty Etude by Jonathan Burgos https://youtu.be/ALq1O2nTqnM
Improvisation about The Tasty Etude https://soundcloud.com/user619267345/improassign3
The greatest challenge for me was to play the improvisation in one take without too many mistakes and without forgetting the ideas and phrases I had in mind and tried before. There was a moment when I was thinking about preparing a sheet with a few tabs as help. Again had much fun with learning and playing that all - although next time I would choose a lesson more at my level.
Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 9 2015, 02:37 PM
Hi Tom!! Congrats on your great job with this assignment! It's awesome how good you assimilated the concepts behind this week's assignment goal.
Your takes show that you have been working really hard. You've learnt the original lesson and then created a solo improvisation combining the lesson's phrases with your own phrasing, making the licks of your own!
I don't think that the level of this lesson has been a problem because you did what I think it's the best we can do when learning GMC lessons, in order to get the most of them. Learn the licks, understand the theory, and then use it an excuse to create our own solo/improvisation/compositions. That's when we do a triple work that covers:
- Technique - Theory - Creativity
There is off course more room to improve your expression techniques but this is a very important step forward for your playing. At the same time, I notice that your playing is more natural in your improvisation, which seems to be logical and obvious but that's not what usually happens with students, so great job by staying at your level when improvising.
Ok mate, I hope that you keep on with this method of practice. Congrats again!
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 11 2015, 02:29 PM
Hi
nothing good from me, knee hurt me to much, i'll post an impro on my lesson BT today or tomorow.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 12 2015, 07:31 PM
Ok guys! Anybody else has worked on this week's assignment or have anything to share or ask before we move to the next one?
Yes i have work , and a lot, but it was hopeless cause i do not have the mind connected, maybe a bit tired. so now i have decide to make me some violence, and finaly ideas come.
this is a small preview, with some errors , but a preview
Yes i have work , and a lot, but it was hopeless cause i do not have the mind connected, maybe a bit tired. so now i have decide to make me some violence, and finaly ideas come.
this is a small preview, with some errors , but a preview
Hi laurent, good takes. I think that this is going on the right track. I can get the feel of the lesson but with your own licks, and that's the main purpose of this week's assignment. The idea is to get inspiration from lessons and build your own ideas. You solo still could have more defined phrases but your playing is promising on this one. It would be good to keep on experimenting with other major lessons, to get even more into the major feel. By the way, did I say that this is a never ending journey?
Thanks for your submit, keep on rocking!
QUOTE (petr @ Oct 12 2015, 07:37 PM)
Hi Gab, here my take based on http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Beginners-Corner-13-C-Major-Scale/
https://soundcloud.com/petr-14/imp20151013
Petr
Hi Petr! Great job!
It's cool to hear your exploring the major scale, trying to go more musical. You definitely need to continue doing this kind of work, and maybe switching to some other musical lessons that use this scale to expand your vocabulary. Regarding this take, beside exploring how each note sound over the chords, you should focus a bit more on timing while you improvise. So the first two goals should be:
In fact, i wasn't really connected to the BT, why ? i don't know, theses days, i try a lot of BT in diferent flavor, and it's never nice, before , i can take any BT , any style or tonality, and i can do something almost woth a sense.
HEY !! i have lost my mojo !! i need a time machine !
Laurent
Posted by: n3m57 Oct 13 2015, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 12 2015, 06:31 PM)
Ok guys! Anybody else has worked on this week's assignment or have anything to share or ask before we move to the next one?
Sorry Gab, I have nothing to share ... The Tasty Etude lesson is more difficult than I thought, in particular the fast lick in the end and feeling. I keep this lesson in my routine
Posted by: slickster Oct 13 2015, 07:21 PM
Gab is it to late for me to join this. I started working on the assignments you gave me,I'm having a little trouble with block 3..
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 14 2015, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Oct 13 2015, 11:49 AM)
Sorry Gab, I have nothing to share ... The Tasty Etude lesson is more difficult than I thought, in particular the fast lick in the end and feeling. I keep this lesson in my routine
Hi mate, rememebr that the idea is that this licks inspire you to create your own licks so it would be cool to see you creating your own variation of the lesson to be able to play over the backing naturally. Simplify the tricky licks and record yourself.
QUOTE (slickster @ Oct 13 2015, 03:21 PM)
Gab is it to late for me to join this. I started working on the assignments you gave me,I'm having a little trouble with block 3..
no, it's never too late to join my workouts. Let me know which is the number of routine and exercise that is giving issues. Share a video playing it if it's possible.
By the way, have you checked the lesson's slow video from where I borrowed the exercise?
Posted by: slickster Oct 15 2015, 02:47 AM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 30 2015, 11:49 PM)
Ok guys! So this is the new list!
fzalfa Tom51 Petr (he's sent a PM) Sensible Jones Aris lpguitar92 Daeron Mad n3m57 Nick6373
Remember, it's a 12 weeks course and you need at least 30 minutes per day to work on the tasks. At the end of the course you will have a good knowledge of all the basic tools to improvise.
please add my name to the list, i'm in....thank you
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 15 2015, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (slickster @ Oct 14 2015, 10:47 PM)
please add my name to the list, i'm in....thank you
Hi mate, don't worry about that initial list, it's not official anymore. You are in.
Improvisation Course - WEEK #3
Ok friends! It's time to get into the minor scales! The structure and concepts behind this week's assignment are similar to Week #1 but this time we will work with minor scale. So be sure to work on previous assignments and check my video explanations before you start working on this one.
Here you can check the notes for #WEEK3: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42832&view=findpost&p=695397
Minor scale is also known as Aeolian mode so this thread will be helpful to understand more about how it's built: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=48132
Who is in?
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 15 2015, 03:57 PM
whoi is in ?
me , myself and I
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 15 2015, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 15 2015, 11:57 AM)
whoi is in ?
me , myself and I
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 15 2015, 04:51 PM
hey hey
listen.... i'm inspirated
edit: i have uncut the end...... last 45-30 sec are craps
Nice playing Laurent! This is a very good first take for this week's assignment. Your playing is melodic and tasty. This means that you are already comfortable with the scale so the next step is to experiment with some other minor backing tracks. What do you think?
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Oct 15 2015, 12:52 PM)
I will be in too !
Just one question: is there reason that we learn only two minor shapes and not five as with major? Or is it just that these two are most useful?
Deadline again in 10 days or open end?
Thanks Tom
Hi Tom! Deadline 10 days. We work with two shapes at first, during this first stage to get familiar with them, then we will add the other ones. There are not more or less important shapes, the choose is arbitrary.
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 16 2015, 04:09 PM
QUOTE
What do you think?
deal, i'll try other minor BT this week, but i'll post another take with this one, i like it !!
edit:
try out on one shoot with Minor E bt, not my favorite tonality, but let's be crazy and do some more difficults stuff
Hi mate, rememebr that the idea is that this licks inspire you to create your own licks so it would be cool to see you creating your own variation of the lesson to be able to play over the backing naturally. Simplify the tricky licks and record yourself.
no, it's never too late to join my workouts. Let me know which is the number of routine and exercise that is giving issues. Share a video playing it if it's possible.
By the way, have you checked the lesson's slow video from where I borrowed the exercise?
can anyone pls give me instructions on how to record myself I have a web cam...the trouble area is block 3 on the guitar gym..not sure how to pick the notes....
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 17 2015, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 16 2015, 12:09 PM)
deal, i'll try other minor BT this week, but i'll post another take with this one, i like it !!
edit:
try out on one shoot with Minor E bt, not my favorite tonality, but let's be crazy and do some more difficults stuff
Hi Laurent, except by two moments where you play A note and B note which aren't part of the scale, the overall sound good and connected with the backing. I recommend you to focus more on building phrases and give some clearer direction to your improvisation. It should be the next goal.
QUOTE (slickster @ Oct 16 2015, 08:00 PM)
can anyone pls give me instructions on how to record myself I have a web cam...the trouble area is block 3 on the guitar gym..not sure how to pick the notes....
Hi friend! Please check this video and let me know if it helps to record your guitar videos:
About the Guitar Gym, this is not the right thread to talk about it, but let me say that the block 3 is based on a lesson and the link can be found there in the post. If you enter to the lesson you'll be able to see the instructor playing the exercises slowly with some extra explanations.
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 17 2015, 04:27 PM
QUOTE
I recommend you to focus more on building phrases and give some clearer direction to your improvisation. It should be the next goal.
Hô yeah , let's go !
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 17 2015, 07:41 PM
Hi
is this is on the right track ? some errors (bad notes, technics lack, and A BIG FALSE BEND) are always in.... must practice (as said Todd)
maybe the nicest solos and themes i have ever done....
i'll do not post anymore for this assignement, cause i cannot monopolise this Topic !
Laurent
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 17 2015, 07:51 PM
Hello Laurent, this is really outstanding. I like it VERY VERY much. Thank you. Please continue sharing new takes. If I could I would do so also. But I still learn the scale and need some days before posting something. But your take is great source of inspiration. So more please....
Cheers Tom
Posted by: slickster Oct 18 2015, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 17 2015, 03:10 PM)
Hi Laurent, except by two moments where you play A note and B note which aren't part of the scale, the overall sound good and connected with the backing. I recommend you to focus more on building phrases and give some clearer direction to your improvisation. It should be the next goal.
Hi friend! Please check this video and let me know if it helps to record your guitar videos:
About the Guitar Gym, this is not the right thread to talk about it, but let me say that the block 3 is based on a lesson and the link can be found there in the post. If you enter to the lesson you'll be able to see the instructor playing the exercises slowly with some extra explanations.
My bad on the post on block. The video isn't playing...
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 18 2015, 12:46 PM
Hi
thanks Tom51 !
so this is three Minor Bt oneshoot impro for you !! the occasion for me to work some more phrases and scales. not perfect, but not too much errors i think.
Hi Laurent, cool and relaxed you present a few new recordings each day - congrats, thats impressive. I like the #4 and #7 most and the first 30seconds of #7 are so nice how the melody develops!!
That motivates a lot! Thanks Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 18 2015, 06:36 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 17 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hi
is this is on the right track ? some errors (bad notes, technics lack, and A BIG FALSE BEND) are always in.... must practice (as said Todd)
maybe the nicest solos and themes i have ever done....
i'll do not post anymore for this assignement, cause i cannot monopolise this Topic !
Laurent
This is beautiful Laurent!! Your take is so epic and heroic! Congrats on your great playing on this one.
The only detail that I would adjust is your tone which is a bit noisy. I would experiment trying to get a similar sustain but with less distortion, maybe using an extra overdrive and lowering your amp's distortion level, or using any kind of compressor or sustainer.
Other than that, this is killer, congrats!
PS: Keep on sharing stuff here, your work is inspiring for everybody here!
QUOTE (slickster @ Oct 17 2015, 08:21 PM)
My bad on the post on block. The video isn't playing...
That's weird, maybe you don't have the right plug in installed. Are you using chrome ?
By the way, try this link: https://youtu.be/18Kh2LB7K_E
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 18 2015, 07:12 PM
QUOTE
This is beautiful Laurent!! Your take is so epic and heroic! Congrats on your great playing on this one.
The only detail that I would adjust is your tone which is a bit noisy. I would experiment trying to get a similar sustain but with less distortion, maybe using an extra overdrive and lowering your amp's distortion level, or using any kind of compressor or sustainer.
Other than that, this is killer, congrats!
PS: Keep on sharing stuff here, your work is inspiring for everybody here!
Thank you for listening Gabriel, i'll try another setup in the futur ! do you listen the 3 other impro i have done with various minor BT ?
in fact i choose random minor BT on youtube, listen them one minute to see what happend, and i jam on without training, in a one shoot ! i really love this.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 18 2015, 11:09 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 18 2015, 03:12 PM)
Thank you for listening Gabriel, i'll try another setup in the futur ! do you listen the 3 other impro i have done with various minor BT ?
in fact i choose random minor BT on youtube, listen them one minute to see what happend, and i jam on without training, in a one shoot ! i really love this.
Laurent
That's an interesting experiment. I checked the 3 audios and my favorite is number 1 which is the one that has he more defined melody. It sounds like a pre composed solo! The second one has many notes out and the third sound sounds good but didn't attacked me as much as the first one.
I wonder if you at least checked the chords that the backings included before starting the recording....
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 19 2015, 04:18 AM
QUOTE
I wonder if you at least checked the chords that the backings included before starting the recording....
Yes of course, when available ! Not always the case !!!
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 19 2015, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 19 2015, 12:18 AM)
Yes of course, when available ! Not always the case !!!
Laurent
Having this info can help you to play more connected with the chords when improvising but It's interesting to experiment improvising without knowing it too.
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 19 2015, 03:14 PM
yes, it's right !
Laurent
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 19 2015, 07:15 PM
Hi
this is another take, always a one shoot with a random bt.... with some errors like at 1:10 1:15, it's a bit dirty .... like 1:30 1:40 , i lost myself.
utube is a real wonder to mining guitar BT !! pick one, and play with !
Nice playing mate! I enjoy more your clean solo but I think that it's related to the fact that I still feel that your distorted tone needs some tweak. What are you using to record it? what amp?
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 20 2015, 03:23 PM
Hi Gabriel
No Amp, my setup is : Guitar -> bulb preamp -> Boss GT 100 -> roland FA-66 firewire -> Pc -> sometime guitar rig 5 -> Fa-66 -> marshall headphone.
what kinf of tweak do i need, explain ?
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 21 2015, 02:50 PM
Is the amp being emulated with your boss? what is the bulb adding? drive?
Posted by: n3m57 Oct 24 2015, 03:50 PM
Hi,
some ideas ...
https://soundcloud.com/mathieu-nguyen-6/a-minor
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 24 2015, 04:20 PM
Here is my take for assignment#4. Started playing around the arpeggios of the minor chord and then moved around. Was not sure which tone would fit the backing track best so I choose one of the "metal styles" from Guitar Rig.
Is the amp being emulated with your boss? what is the bulb adding? drive?
sorry to be late, too much pain killer druged these days.....
so, in my preset i emulate two amp, two chanels:
-1 with a fender ultra sonic -2 with marshall 1960
bulb add some warm and crunch, a bit of, i can use a compressor too
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Oct 24 2015, 05:20 PM)
Here is my take for assignment#4. Started playing around the arpeggios of the minor chord and then moved around. Was not sure which tone would fit the backing track best so I choose one of the "metal styles" from Guitar Rig.
Here is my take for assignment#4. Started playing around the arpeggios of the minor chord and then moved around. Was not sure which tone would fit the backing track best so I choose one of the "metal styles" from Guitar Rig.
Hi mate, good job with this. I notice that you are still getting familiar with the scale but focusing on making your lines sound musical. There is still work to do in order to make your phrasing more defined, and I think that the use of more silence between phrases can help.
Please keep on practicing and experimenting and share a new take in some days.
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Oct 24 2015, 12:20 PM)
Here is my take for assignment#4. Started playing around the arpeggios of the minor chord and then moved around. Was not sure which tone would fit the backing track best so I choose one of the "metal styles" from Guitar Rig.
Hi Tom, good playing here. The note choices are going well with the chords from the backing. The next step is to define your phrases even more, and this is related to the note choices but also to rhythm and silences. Imagine that your guitar is a singer, and create more "vocal" style lines while you improvise. Listen to melodic guitarists like Andy Timmons and Joe Satriani to get some ideas about this.
Keep on the hard work!
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 25 2015, 03:17 PM
Thanks for your feedback Gab! I understand what you mean. A lot of notes, no breath, no structure and idea where to go. I just choose a different A minor track from GMC and here are some ideas. Now I would start to improve my playing about that and add some phrasing... I just wanted to share something where I tried to implement the "call-response" idea. Cheers Tom
Good job Tom! This is the direction! It's exactly what I was talking about! This is a never ending but amazing journey, keep on this direction!
Posted by: n3m57 Oct 28 2015, 09:28 PM
Ok Gab, thank you for your advices. I will share something different this week end
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 29 2015, 03:25 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Oct 28 2015, 05:28 PM)
Ok Gab, thank you for your advices. I will share something different this week end
Great! Looking forward it.
Anyone else working on the new assignment?
Posted by: Tom51 Oct 29 2015, 03:26 PM
Should we still work on this assignment? I was already waiting for the next one
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Oct 29 2015, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Oct 29 2015, 11:26 AM)
Should we still work on this assignment? I was already waiting for the next one
The work on these assignments is infinite! I'll share the new one soon, but you can continue exploring the previous concepts and off course share your progress here.
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 30 2015, 12:25 PM
Hi
i can'"t resist to put another a bit "worked" impro in E minor
Hey laurent! Thanks for your new take! I can note the difference in quality here and it is surely related to the fact that you've worked a bit more this one and polished the solo. It sounds like an instrumental song! It has different parts that contrasts but connect perfectly. The melodic section is EPIC!
I can say that this is one of the best recordings I've heard from you, congrats!!!
Posted by: fzalfa Oct 31 2015, 05:38 PM
Hi Gabriel
I have worked the whole track and I think make it a more longer add lyrics and voice !! Sound better ? Yes because I play in another way. Since two days I play faster cleaner and scale knowledge is arriving !!! Seem to have reach another checkpoint
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 1 2015, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Oct 31 2015, 01:38 PM)
Hi Gabriel
I have worked the whole track and I think make it a more longer add lyrics and voice !! Sound better ? Yes because I play in another way. Since two days I play faster cleaner and scale knowledge is arriving !!! Seem to have reach another checkpoint
Laurent
Awesome! Great job mate, looking forward the extended version.
Hi n3m57! Awesome work! This sounds like a song! You even added extra guitars harmonizing your guitar lines. Your solo is very musical, your playing tasty and the phrases evolve really well. I wonder if this is an improvisation done by once of if you've worked polishing the composition... how did you get this?
Congratulations!
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 2 2015, 10:10 AM
nice one Mathieu
Laurent
Posted by: n3m57 Nov 2 2015, 03:05 PM
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 2 2015, 02:38 AM)
Hi n3m57! Awesome work! This sounds like a song! You even added extra guitars harmonizing your guitar lines. Your solo is very musical, your playing tasty and the phrases evolve really well. I wonder if this is an improvisation done by once of if you've worked polishing the composition... how did you get this?
Congratulations!
Hi Gab, glad you like it ! I took a lot of time to make it !
I'll try to explain : I didn't play the whole improvisation by once, but step by step. I kept in mind the idea from Tom51 : call-response Then I play, play and play again in DAW ... and listen a lot of music too When I got a good melody, I've worked to polish it. I have used the third for the harmony part ( thanks Ben Higgins for the lesson ).
The tone in the end sound like ASS, I had no more time to polish it.
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Nov 2 2015, 10:10 AM)
nice one Mathieu
Laurent
Thanks Laurent !
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 2 2015, 03:34 PM
QUOTE (n3m57 @ Nov 2 2015, 11:05 AM)
Hi Gab, glad you like it ! I took a lot of time to make it !
I'll try to explain : I didn't play the whole improvisation by once, but step by step. I kept in mind the idea from Tom51 : call-response Then I play, play and play again in DAW ... and listen a lot of music too When I got a good melody, I've worked to polish it. I have used the third for the harmony part ( thanks Ben Higgins for the lesson ).
The tone in the end sound like ASS, I had no more time to polish it.
Fantastic work man! So you've build this one block by block and the final work is great. In any sense the only difference between improvisation and composition is that the first is done in real time. However, both can be mixed for creation, since the concepts are the same. That's what you have done here and the results is a very musical solo. I'm very proud of you. Keep on rocking!
Posted by: n3m57 Nov 2 2015, 04:50 PM
Thanks alot for the kind words Gab, I really appreciate what you said
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 3 2015, 04:58 PM
Improvisation Course - WEEK #4
Hi friends! Congrats to all the students that are following this workout succesfuly. On this assignment we will work on Minor Pentatonic scale. The structure and concepts behind this week's assignment are similar to http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=54851&view=findpost&p=718469 but this time we will work with minor pentatonic scale. So be sure to work on previous assignments and check my video explanations before you start working on this one.
Here you can check the notes for #WEEK4: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42832&view=findpost&p=695827
Who is in?
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 3 2015, 05:25 PM
i'm in, as ever !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 3 2015, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Nov 3 2015, 01:25 PM)
i'm in, as ever !
Laurent
You're welcome as ever.
Posted by: Tom51 Nov 3 2015, 06:56 PM
Very happy to be part of this! I am IN ! Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 3 2015, 07:06 PM
QUOTE (Tom51 @ Nov 3 2015, 02:56 PM)
Very happy to be part of this! I am IN ! Tom
Great!
Posted by: n3m57 Nov 3 2015, 08:15 PM
Hi Gab,
I'm in too !
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 4 2015, 02:18 PM
Great! You're welcome.
Posted by: Tom51 Nov 9 2015, 07:36 PM
Hi Gab, here is first try for the minor pentatonic assignment. I really tried to connect those Gm pentatonic shapes on the fretboard and not only stay in one area. Tom
Great job Tom. This take shows that you are exploring the scale and that you are focusing on creating phrases. You need to continue experimenting on this direction, and also check the complementary lessons to add licks and ideas to your vocabulary.
Keep on rocking!
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 11 2015, 07:37 PM
Hi guys
i do not post any track ?? yes
Gabriel, do i must only play penta with this assignement ?
i try to play penta, but i always add notes from other scales...... hard to stay into the penta only !
Edit:
i have done this, onto un blues G minor BT, nor penta all time...
Hey Laurent! Congrats on this really warm improvisation! I can say that it's one of the best solos I've heard from you. It's very cool to hear, very tasty, not only your phrasing, also your tone. This must be a very inspiring improvisation for other students working at this workout, congrats friend!
QUOTE (Alex5 @ Nov 12 2015, 06:53 AM)
Hi. I join.
Welcome Alex!! Feel free to start from the beginning and share your takes and progress here. You can also comment about other students takes and ask questions to them about their own approaches to the different assignments.
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 13 2015, 12:08 PM
Hi
thanks for the comment Gabriel, this made me happy
about the tone, it barely a guitar only tone, only add a reverb and thant's all, the guitare used was an Epi LP studio with seymour duncan pickups.
like the previous on, this is my best solo, yes , until the next one ?
Laurent
Posted by: Tom51 Nov 13 2015, 04:33 PM
I just listened to some complementary lessons you recommended Gab and here is a new take with one of the backing tracks from these lessons. This time its Am pentatonic ...except 3 notes from Aminor scale - it simply sounded better
I just listened to some complementary lessons you recommended Gab and here is a new take with one of the backing tracks from these lessons. This time its Am pentatonic ...except 3 notes from Aminor scale - it simply sounded better
Beautiful! This is the direction Tom! That's the best you can get from GMC lessons, inspiration to develop your own voice on guitar! This is the most musical solo I've heard from you, congratulations! Keep going on this direction, continue exploring phrasing and also expression techniques.
Very nice Laurent! I like it very much. what are you using here? What's the key of the backing and what scales are you using?
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 16 2015, 09:24 PM
Hi Gabriel
I use almost Gminor Melodic, the Backtrack is in Gminor too, the chord prog is Gm7, Gm7, Gm7, Gm7, Cm7, Cm7, Gm7, Gm7, Eb9, D7#9, Gm7, D7#9: i try to use some minor harmonic to give it an oriental taste in on phrase, to figure the presenc of our foe
i use my habitual setup, as:
- €piphone Les Paul Studio with Seymour duncan Slash, d'adario flat wound string & ernie ball hybrid setup, i love this axe - ART TubePac as preamp - Boss Gt100
played with fingers
effects are :
- a tube scramer - a reverb with vibrato - an equaliser - a little delay
happy to know you loved it !
Laurent
Posted by: Charles Nov 16 2015, 10:08 PM
I have no time but I can sacrifice 30 more min. a day. I'm in!
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 17 2015, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Nov 16 2015, 05:24 PM)
Hi Gabriel
I use almost Gminor Melodic, the Backtrack is in Gminor too, the chord prog is Gm7, Gm7, Gm7, Gm7, Cm7, Cm7, Gm7, Gm7, Eb9, D7#9, Gm7, D7#9: i try to use some minor harmonic to give it an oriental taste in on phrase, to figure the presenc of our foe
i use my habitual setup, as:
- €piphone Les Paul Studio with Seymour duncan Slash, d'adario flat wound string & ernie ball hybrid setup, i love this axe - ART TubePac as preamp - Boss Gt100
played with fingers
effects are :
- a tube scramer - a reverb with vibrato - an equaliser - a little delay
happy to know you loved it !
Laurent
Thanks for the detailes info Laurent! If you add this to your recordings here you'll be helping other students to learn more about scale uses and also about tone settings.
QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 16 2015, 06:08 PM)
I have no time but I can sacrifice 30 more min. a day. I'm in!
Hey guys! We have completed the Module 2 so now we have a new "complementary lessons" week.
We won't take the "week" word the course seriously and we will see it more as Assignments. Why? Because I prefer to go deeper with this topics to be sure that you are the most of each one. As I noticed that you didn't have time to check and work on the complementary lessons for Minor and Minor Pentatonic scales, the next task is to dedicate this week to learn one of this lessons and provide one or both ot f this recordings:
- Playing the lessons as it is. You can also share this video at REC. - Record and improvisation over the backing track with variations of the lessons licks combined with your own ideas using the concepts covered.
This is the list of possible lessons, please choose one at your current level:
Minor Scale: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Beginners-Corner-15-A-Minor-Scale/ http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/Bb-minor-phrasing-beginner/ http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Simple-Melodies-In-A-Minor/
Minor Pentatonic: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Beginners-Corner-14-Minor-Pentatonic-Scale/ http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/pentatonic-licks-beginner/ http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/pentatonic_exercise_slides/
Combining minor & minor pentatonic: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pentatonic-Minor-Switching/
DEADLINE: Nov 29 th
Who is in?
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 18 2015, 03:27 PM
count on me !!
I choose the Simple Melodies In A Minor lesson
Laurent
Posted by: Tom51 Nov 18 2015, 04:08 PM
Yes, will be in too.
Tom
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 19 2015, 01:45 PM
Great guys!
Posted by: Alex5 Nov 20 2015, 09:20 AM
Here's assignement 1 of impro course (2'26'') https://soundcloud.com/user-280506716/improgmaj/s-4soSZ
With false notes due to my habit playing other scales, a passage of "Hey you're out of the tempo what are you doing ?" and some passages of "I've nothing to say but I play anymore".
My guitar tone isn't the best one...
I made the file private I hop you can listen it.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 20 2015, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (Alex5 @ Nov 20 2015, 05:20 AM)
Here's assignement 1 of impro course (2'26'') https://soundcloud.com/user-280506716/improgmaj/s-4soSZ
With false notes due to my habit playing other scales, a passage of "Hey you're out of the tempo what are you doing ?" and some passages of "I've nothing to say but I play anymore".
My guitar tone isn't the best one...
I made the file private I hop you can listen it.
Hi Alex! I copy here what I've commented at the mentoring program first. (let's continue here!)
I'm glad to see that you are working on the improvisation course!
This moment is to explore the different elements covered so this audio is totally successful. You've tried to create simple melodies and phrases. There are some moments where you play wrong notes, and some other moments where your rhythm is not going with the backing so pay attention to this details in future recordings.
Before you go to the second assignment I'd like to suggest you doing some voice - guitar connection. The idea is that you sing along with the notes that you play. At first, you'll have to sing a bit (millisecond) after the note sounds, but with practice the idea is that you do it simultaneously.
The second part of the task should be done once you are comfortable with the first one and it's based on singing a phrase, and then playing it. You should be able to do it over the backing... you sing a melody of 4 notes, and then you play the 4 notes....
Practice this for 3 days and let me know how it goes.
Deal?
Posted by: Alex5 Nov 20 2015, 02:07 PM
Deal!
I will do that. It will spend me more than 3 days to post another take. I change of internet provider and my connexion will be down these next days.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 20 2015, 02:08 PM
QUOTE (Alex5 @ Nov 20 2015, 10:07 AM)
Deal!
I will do that. It will spend me more than 3 days to post another take. I change of internet provider and my connexion will be down these next days.
I feel that your solo has some cool phrases, but I notice many pitch issues, that can be related to a combination of tuning issues, with not precise bending and some wrong notes here and there. Also, some more definition regarding phrasing can make your solo more interesting to hear.
I know you can do it better. Keep working!
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 23 2015, 04:46 PM
hi Gabriel, thkx for listening
it was a fast throw out, i notice and i'll keep some phrases for the next version i'll do.
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 24 2015, 04:35 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Nov 23 2015, 12:46 PM)
hi Gabriel, thkx for listening
it was a fast throw out, i notice and i'll keep some phrases for the next version i'll do.
Laurent
Ok Laurent, looking forward your polished take.
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 24 2015, 04:37 PM
The time to domesticate my new Jackson. And i'll produce you a sweet one !
Laurent
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 24 2015, 05:00 PM
Cool!
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 25 2015, 06:52 PM
Hi Gabriel
This my first record with my fine tuned Jackye !!!
need some time to adapt myself with this very different neck (in comparison with the LP 59' and 60')
So this is this 2 minutes impro, with some bad notes.... but something more than before, i feel a slight difference with my way to play.
Hi Laurent, thanks for your takes! There are some cool things happening, mostly on the second solo where I've found nice phrases and melodies. However there are some old things that we've talked appearing again here:
- tone: I think that your tone is too METAL for this style and backing. I feel that is has too much distortion and high frequencies, a warmer cleaner tone would fit better.
- no silences!
- no too much rhythm variation
What do you think?
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 28 2015, 04:56 PM
I agree
I'll do some other take with another axe. Theses days I'm focused onto the Jackson.
Laurent
Posted by: Tom51 Nov 28 2015, 04:59 PM
Here comes my take for Improvisation Course - MODULE 2 - Complementary Lessons. These complementary assignments are always a great challenge for me. Learn a lesson in a few days and improvise is not an easy task. This time I made the mistake to waste the first evening learning an easier lesson in case I fail with the other one (Bears Pentatonic). I will not do that again. If a lesson is too difficult for me I will learn only parts of it or make it easier for me. Hope that is OK. So, six day lesson and two days for improvising this time.
Simple Melodies in A minor by Laszlo Boross https://youtu.be/zFkLsC6zGR8
Improvising about Simple Melodies https://soundcloud.com/user619267345/improassignlessonaminor
Posted by: slickster Nov 28 2015, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (fzalfa @ Nov 28 2015, 03:56 PM)
I agree
I'll do some other take with another axe. Theses days I'm focused onto the Jackson.
Lauren
Sounds like you have your chops down, nice playing, but I would definitely change the tone to much distortion...enjoy listening to you play..
Posted by: fzalfa Nov 28 2015, 07:09 PM
QUOTE
Sounds like you have your chops down
what do you mean, i do not know the sense of this expression !
Laurent
Posted by: Alex5 Nov 30 2015, 10:53 AM
Hi Gab,
I've made this secon take for assignement 1. I let you listening but I know the mistakes yet :
- Boring - Not enough notes - Too much silence - Not very inspirated.
I absolutly want to play over the whole BT and having something to say during more than 2 minutes is very hard for me. Maybe it's my first mistake... Should I play a shorter time ?
Here comes my take for Improvisation Course - MODULE 2 - Complementary Lessons. These complementary assignments are always a great challenge for me. Learn a lesson in a few days and improvise is not an easy task. This time I made the mistake to waste the first evening learning an easier lesson in case I fail with the other one (Bears Pentatonic). I will not do that again. If a lesson is too difficult for me I will learn only parts of it or make it easier for me. Hope that is OK. So, six day lesson and two days for improvising this time.
Simple Melodies in A minor by Laszlo Boross https://youtu.be/zFkLsC6zGR8
Improvising about Simple Melodies https://soundcloud.com/user619267345/improassignlessonaminor
Beautiful playing Tom! There are many magic moments on your solo! Great job! Here I'll comment some details that improved would make this one a top level take.
- Tone and mix: I think that your guitar is a bit loud in the mix. I also think that some little reverb/delay would make it fit better with the backing track.
- Bending: Sometimes your bending is not precise, other time is not natural, while other times I feel that you use it in weird places of the phrases or repeat them too much. This is not dramatic, but just dedicate some attention to it.
- Adjust weak parts: There are some moments close to the end where your playing is not clear, or your phrasing not totally smooth and consistent. Identify this parts and work on them.
That's all from me mate, keep on the great job!
QUOTE (Alex5 @ Nov 30 2015, 06:53 AM)
Hi Gab,
I've made this secon take for assignement 1. I let you listening but I know the mistakes yet :
- Boring - Not enough notes - Too much silence - Not very inspirated.
I absolutly want to play over the whole BT and having something to say during more than 2 minutes is very hard for me. Maybe it's my first mistake... Should I play a shorter time ?
Hi Alex! Great to find a new take from you! These are practice tasks and backings so it's ok to practice on long backings, record it and then analyze your playing to identify which are the best parts and what you are doing on the less interesting parts to avoid it. The more you practice, the more you'll connect your mind with your fingers.
I recommend you to check for some other backings in this tonality to see if other rhythm / chord changes give you more inspiration.
BTW I feel that your playing is good here, but you need to continue adding elements into your playing. Here is a list of things to incorporate:
- vibrato and slides - bending - hammer on and pull of
Start with 1 at each time, and then combine everything into your playing. You'll notice that your phrasing will become more expressive.
Posted by: fzalfa Dec 1 2015, 11:46 PM
Hi all
this is another take, i lack of inspiration theses days..... maybe a bit tired of playing and drilling, i may take one or two days without touch a guitar.
this is the take ! barely no fx,€pi LP studio, played with fingers...
Hi Laurent! I like the tone that you get with that guitar and your fingers here. I also think that your playing is tasty and that there are some nice phrases there.
The weak points are tuning, and many wrong notes.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 2 2015, 02:38 PM
Ok guys, here is an important announcement!
We are not going to continue working on more advanced stuff on this thread. We just completed modules 1 and 2 which are based on this topics:
Module 1: Major Scales
1. Major Scale (Shapes, sequences & arpeggios) 2. Pentatonic Major Scale
Module 2: Minor Scales
1. Minor Scale (Shapes, sequences & arpeggios) 2. Pentatonic Minor Scale
Before we more to another thread, I'd like to know how was your experience with this first step of the course.
Do you think that you've incorporated the concepts? Do you need more time? Are you ready for more advanced stuff? Would you like to continue working on this concepts but with new approaches?
Posted by: fzalfa Dec 2 2015, 04:50 PM
Hi Gabriel
wrong notes ? yes !!! i assume tuning maybe, it was late at night......
Do you think that you've incorporated the concepts? yes ithink Do you need more time? no Are you ready for more advanced stuff?you can tell me Would you like to continue working on this concepts but with new approaches? i'll kill for
Laurent
Posted by: Tom51 Dec 2 2015, 05:53 PM
This course was really awesome so far. Big thanks to Gab. I have learned so much during a relatively short timeframe in such a pleasant way. Just great. I really like to learn and apply music theory in such a way. What I took home is that improvisation will always have to be part of my guitar playing. These complementary lessons assignment also pushed my playing really. I started with nearly nothing and very happy with the results so far although I am not a very creative person and have to work hard to find a melodie at all. The course is also a nice ear training, helps to learn the notes on the fretboard and how to get a melody out of the mind into the guitar.
Do you think that you've incorporated the concepts? ***No, not seemlessly yet. I understood the concepts and can apply them and could play everything from the 2 modules (except some diatonic patterns) in any note you give. But I still have to think about it and have to "warm up" to get all shapes and scales in different positions right. If I stop working on it now I will have forgotten a lot in a few months time. So its not like driving a car yet
Do you need more time? ***No, the 10 days deadline were great. I also like this strict timeframe as it pushes me to focus and stay interested.
Are you ready for more advanced stuff? ***Yes!
Would you like to continue working on this concepts but with new approaches? ***Yes sure.
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 3 2015, 07:33 PM
Thanks guys for the fantastic feedback! More input is welcome. I'm working on the next steps...
Posted by: fzalfa Dec 3 2015, 08:33 PM
QUOTE
Thanks guys for the fantastic feedback!
NO NO NO !!!
Thanks for YOUR fantastic JOB !!!
Laurent
Posted by: petr Dec 3 2015, 09:25 PM
Hi Gab, thank you for all your work. I stopped to post takes somewhere in the middle of the course because Im quite slow, but I still work on it. Any new stuff from you is great
Petr
Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Dec 4 2015, 02:47 PM
Great to know it Petr. If you are silent I don't really know if you are following.
I wonder if you have seen this new lesson by Kris: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Your-First-Phrases/
I strongly recommend his approach on improvisation. Let's add it as a complementary lesson of this course.