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Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 10 2007, 04:15 AM

check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPCFNB79wo0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l31qrUl0s2w&mode=related&search=

Posted by: JVM Jun 10 2007, 04:31 AM

He's pretty fast. But I don't like him Why do people who are capable of playing extremely fast often fall prey to the feeling of "well, I can play this fast, so I HAVE to play this fast, all the time."? ESPECIALLY if they list like blues or something as an inspiration.

I'm not naming names, and I think a lot of shredders are great, I'm not saying they aren't

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 10 2007, 04:40 AM

yea I personally don't really like him and his music sounds like a video game but it's still amazing how fast he sweeps

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 10 2007, 04:45 AM

Actually, probably not... Francesco Fareri - 18 nps (...of uncoordinated, inaccurate, arm vibration alternate-picking on 1 string). His sweeps might be faster, but I'm doubting they're that fast, or clean for that matter.

Yep, by chance I came across the proof:

Here is the video of Francesco playing "Suspension", the `so called` 33 nps lick is the sweep he does between 1:52 and 1:53.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l31qrUl0s2w

Here is a short audio clip of that lick :
http://www.speedyshare.com/361721267.html

Here is exactly 1 second of that (16 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/774174642.html

Here is that slowed down (ver.1) (16 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/284613550.html

Here is that slowed down (ver.2) (16 nps) :
http://www.speedyshare.com/797886422.html

So there you go, that "33 nps" lick is actually only around 16 nps. Now anyone can listen to that slowed down clip and check for themselves.

Posted by: fkalich Jun 10 2007, 06:23 AM

those were removed for some reason. i have a question. can he play anything that sounds real good where his notes stand out clearly? you you have any examples of that with this guy?

Posted by: Pavel Jun 10 2007, 09:39 AM

You may don't like him - but i wish i had technique like him! Every time i see that guy i get motivation for the next 2 months! hehe I saw him a year a go and he totaly De-motivated me because back than i couldn't play half as fast as i can now. Now he's a source of inspiration for those shred sessions.

Posted by: fkalich Jun 10 2007, 09:55 AM

didn't say i did not like him. i might have sounded that way.

what motivated the question was this. i have come to feel (very strongly) that this type of picking involves a fundamentally different physical muscular mechanism than slower picking. i am admittedly in the development stage, but i base this on something i learned long ago.

i believe that this is done by keeping the opposing muscles both is a state of tension, and in fact the pick movement is powered by rapid fire alternately relaxing each of the opposing muscles. this is the same mechanism that i believe mandolin players use. this differs from slower picking, where the pick is pushed and pulled by the opposing muscles, but the muscles are not kept in a pretty constant state of tension.

so i think to do this type of picking, you play fast with the pick right away, and over time get your left and to catch up. you cannot do this type of picking slowly, it is a physical feature we find throughout our neuro muscular system. for example the vocal vibrato is due to this type of mechanism. there is some variation in the potential speed, it is approximately 7 or so cycles per second for the vocal chords. For this picking i think the speed may be faster, as different muscles can be involved depending on the style of the player. but fundamentally the mechanism would be the same as involved in vocal vibrato. there is a neurological function that allows us to alternately fire opposing sets of muscles rapidly.

i was wondering if this guy was skilled in the more typical type of picking, where over time you can get much faster, but never get up to this speed. it would not be possible unless you use this described muscular mechanism.

i did listen to this guy slowly, and he is more accurate than i would have felt, he does actually hit most of the notes. i consider this type of play a nice thing, but would not over do it as i feel many do with their play. if you look at classical composers, they sometimes wrote fast things, there were musicians who could play fast. but they did not over do

edit: when is said this involves a constant state of tension, i meant only with the directly involved muscles. of course one should stay as relaxed as possible, as teachers here have stated. just as a great operatic singer will have a very relaxed throat, although the vocal chord themselves are certainly in a state of tension.

Posted by: Robin Jun 10 2007, 02:29 PM

I think that was really, really amazing actually. But that is NOT something I would listen to.

Posted by: Iluha Jun 10 2007, 04:22 PM

Quoting Steve Vai from one of his videos I saw on youtube: "Sure, I could just shred up and down scales (shredding up and down scales) or I could do this (plays the intro to freak show excess)".
Point is it's awesome he can play scales so fast, but it's useless if he doesn't use it wisely in his music, which he doesn't.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 10 2007, 04:32 PM

I think that guy does have an insane technique, and incredible talent, he just doesnt know how to use it right.

Posted by: JVM Jun 10 2007, 04:38 PM

Think you could find me a link to that video?



Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to play that fast just because I know then that I could pretty much put it to use playing absolutely anything I could think of. So he is inspiring in that way, but I still don't like him

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 10 2007, 04:47 PM

Heres that steve Vai video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FV51itmcuA

Its around 3:40 i think.

heres part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH-sEbp7mSg&NR=1

Posted by: Pavel Jun 10 2007, 04:49 PM

His songs suck totally but i would love to have that kind of technique to use it MY way.

Rusty Cooley picks just as fast as him but he picks different way and he make incredible stuff with Outworld and his solos are insane so this technique is very useful if you know how to use it (or to say better - have talent for composing)!

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 10 2007, 04:55 PM

He does make me want to pick up my guitar and shred all day

I supose thats the important thing about him.

Posted by: shellshock1911 Jun 10 2007, 04:57 PM

yea Rusty Cooley is insanne fast too, check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97LTj-_8at0

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 10 2007, 05:02 PM

Great videos - and yes, that encapsulates it for me - if I had that kind of technique, I'd use it like Steve Vai. The truly great shredders really think about what the music is trying to say, not what the technique is trying to say. Technique for them is a tool, it is not the be all and end all of their playing as it is with some performers.

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jun 10 2007, 05:14 PM

Well, I could bring up a million guitarists off youtube that are fast, but its not all about speed its also about technique, feel, and unique sense of phrasing.

That guy that you brought up has great technique. But overall his music is total sh1t

- John

Posted by: JVM Jun 10 2007, 05:38 PM

Exactly I love Vai. I think Satch beats him in terms of phrasing though.

Thanks for the videos, Uncreator.

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 10 2007, 07:12 PM

I've heard that his new CD is a big improvement musically.

Posted by: benhowell Jun 10 2007, 08:46 PM

These guys technically abilty is superb, but not many of them at all seem to use in in a very musical way (satch and vai excluded).

Blend the best of both worlds and you get people like Scott Henderson and Frank Gambale

Just my opinion.

Ben

Posted by: JVM Jun 10 2007, 09:49 PM

Whose?

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 10 2007, 11:45 PM

http://www.guitar9.com/secretswithin.html

Posted by: Pavel Jun 10 2007, 11:51 PM

Thanks for the link. I just downloaded all of the samples and they are horrible! I mean - an elephant must have stepped on that guy's ear when he was a kid. Can he make one melodic song and make it sound at least 'ok'?

He's definitely an inspiration as a technically skilled player but he's a noobish composer.

Disclaimer : Everything stated above is just my opinion!

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jun 10 2007, 11:55 PM

wow. that was amazing terrible.

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 11 2007, 01:32 AM

Yeah, based on those samples, it hasn't gotten better. I only have one song of his, and it's from the Shawn Lane Remembered albums.

Posted by: fkalich Jun 11 2007, 03:25 AM

he is not bad. plays fast all the time, but he has something in him that is decent. there is something that is interesting. he certainly has his own way of doing things.

Posted by: ezravdb Jun 11 2007, 02:43 PM

The keyboard stuff was pretty cool but the guitars were bad mixed and noisy.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Jun 11 2007, 05:45 PM

Does anyone know who that guy is that can speedpic like so fast it sounds like 1 long note. i can't watch the video right now and im not sure if this is the same guy. the guy im talking about claims he is the fastest speed picker in the world and id like to fnd that video again

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 11 2007, 06:11 PM

I've never seen a video of it, but Cooley can do it. It sounds like one sustained waving note.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jun 11 2007, 06:23 PM

Someone posted a vid a couple of months back - some guy (not Rusty) just playing one note at high speed - there was no evidence he could actually do anything else than one note though

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 11 2007, 06:36 PM

Oh, that guy. They gave him the world record. :-| I don’t know how Guinness defined it, but I don’t think he deserves any record. I’m sure there are players who can tremolo pick faster than that. The thing that annoys me about the guy is that he obviously doesn't have the fretting hand speed to match his picking. He claims to have beaten Shawn Lane’s speed, but obviously the difficulty is in fretting one different note per pick, which Shawn could do in incredibly difficult patterns while playing at light speed and making a musical statement. This guy just switches between fretting a few different notes every once in awhile, and the only skill is in how fast he can do nothing.

Posted by: Pavel Jun 11 2007, 07:22 PM

That's just funny hahaha Guinness record for 1 note picking ?!?!?! That's humiliating for the book of records!!

Posted by: Iluha Jun 11 2007, 07:29 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O8Wbb8r8PUs

I think this is the guy you'r talking about? I think that record is a joke, and it would be as if there was a record for fastest masturbation movement ;x

Posted by: Pavel Jun 11 2007, 08:13 PM

I wonder for how long can he pick that fast...i mean yes it's amazing because i have most problems with my right hand but i wonder if he can pick like that for, i don't know - 15 minutes?!?!

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 11 2007, 10:32 PM

15 minutes seems a bit much lol

Posted by: InstruMental Case Jun 12 2007, 01:15 AM

He does have good picking hand technique - he appears to be using the George Benson / Shawn Lane style http://www.tuckandpatti.com/pick-finger_tech.html#1.2.2.

Posted by: JVM Jun 12 2007, 01:26 AM

Interesting reading there.

Posted by: The Uncreator Jun 12 2007, 01:12 PM

mmm...Indeed, yes Indeed.

Either way, picking a single note very fast for a record isnt that amazing, hell, if he does it and plays a different note every time, maybe like a "Lick" or something. it might be cool

Posted by: FrankW May 16 2008, 02:21 PM

The guy's got technique, but needs to work on the most important thing...being musical.

Posted by: Marcus Siepen May 16 2008, 05:03 PM

hmmm... one of my alltime faves is David Gilmour.... and he is not really fast Speed is not everything, specially if speed is all somebody has to offer.

Posted by: shellshock1911 May 16 2008, 05:22 PM

OMG is that ME who posted this thread like almost a year ago lol, I don't even remember it.

Posted by: Gus May 16 2008, 05:31 PM

+1 . David Gilmour is way high on my list of favorites...

And I like speed when well used. Slash can go really fast and chooses good points to do it, but he does not do that all the time. He has much more to offer...

Posted by: Zizi Top May 16 2008, 05:46 PM

ohhhhh my earsss i love shred ! but this guy, he gave me a headache !! he should try to put some melody ! i mean yeah it's cool , but who's going to listen to that !! i'm a shredder and i stopped the video before the end ! imagine people who don't play guitar ! they're going to hate this !!
he's good, he got technique but he should buy some feeling

Posted by: Moon Boots May 16 2008, 07:38 PM

I struggled to get through 10 seconds of that video...soul destroyingly terrible

Posted by: Matt23 May 16 2008, 07:46 PM

He's really amazing and fast, but I get really bored listening to it cos theres no melody.

Posted by: The Uncreator May 16 2008, 07:51 PM

I dont actually think it was that fast, It looks fast....sure. But it doesnt sound "world record fast". I mean, I think Petrucci has played that fast, maybe even faster (and with taste and style), on several Dream Theater records.

Posted by: shellshock1911 May 16 2008, 08:03 PM

Yea in Rock Discipline John Petrucci plays 16th notes at 216 BPM, and I am sure he could go higher, it was made in like 1995.

Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff May 16 2008, 11:02 PM

woah his wrist is so tense when he plays hes gonna get some real bad injury

Posted by: Danilo Capezzuto May 18 2008, 01:59 PM

...it seems a bullet storm...really fast, but I prefer melodies...sorry me.