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Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 06:36 PM

So I went to install Logic 8 on my Mac today. It takes 40 GB of space so I had to delete some files to make room for it. I must have deleted something I should not have and now my Mac has crashed and won't reboot. This is why I never got into recording!!! I am a computer RETARD!!!! Every time I try to figure out a recording program it turns into a NIGHTMARE!!!!..........Alright I feel a little better.....NO I DON"T.....I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (VictorUK @ Apr 4 2009, 06:40 PM)

Sounds to me as though you dont have a very big hard drive at all....

150 GB....But my kids loaded a bunch of stuff on it awhile back. I only had about 25 GB of available space!!

Posted by: Artemus Apr 4 2009, 07:01 PM

I feel your pain bro! Hang in there. Unfortunately I'm not that familiar with Macs. I'd help you out if I knew how. It's true though, 150 gigs is quite low these days.

Posted by: DeepRoots Apr 4 2009, 07:09 PM

I feel your pain, i constantly find myself deleting files on my 750gb hard drive to make room for more files......better save up and get a second hard drive to go in there with it...im thinking another TB maybe

Posted by: Emir Hot Apr 4 2009, 07:11 PM

I suggest you buy another hard drive and install the fresh system on it. Use that one as "master" only for the system and program installations, no personal files or files you're working on. After that you connect the old one as a "slave" hard drive and it will be visible under a different drive letter. I am not sure if this looks the same on MAC but I believe very similar as on PC. Back-up your data from the old drive on some DVDs and delete everything from it. Then you can use that one for all your projects and personal documents while keeping your system drive secured and clean of anything unnecessary.

I hope this helps.

Posted by: Sircraigery Apr 4 2009, 07:22 PM

That's a bummer man. I have a mac too (fairly new from windows), so I can't help you with your technical problems. But I'm still curious on what's it's doing when you try to turn it on. Maybe I could help you find an answer?

How come you went with logic 8? I know nothing of this program, but I have seen it in stores.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 07:28 PM

Thanks for the info guys. I know I have a small hard drive and I do need to upgrade it. I swear to god that everytime I say "I am going to learn to record".....something like this happens. I spend a day or two getting so frustrated because I can't get anything to work so I just give up and go back to practicing. I'm gonna suck it up and figure it out this time but it just FRUSTRATES THE !@#$ out of me!!!!

QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Apr 4 2009, 07:22 PM)

That's a bummer man. I have a mac too (fairly new from windows), so I can't help you with your technical problems. But I'm still curious on what's it's doing when you try to turn it on. Maybe I could help you find an answer?

How come you went with logic 8? I know nothing of this program, but I have seen it in stores.

It is supposed to be a great program and it is made to run on Macs. The dropped the price for the full blown package from 1k to $500 too.

I go to turn it on and it acts like it is gonna boot up and then shuts down and does it again over and over. The computer is fairly old...at least 5 years. I knew this was coming but it still gets me all fired up!!!

I just hooked myself up to my "personal emergency" tanks of Nitrous Oxide so everything should be right with the world shortly!!!

Posted by: skennington Apr 4 2009, 07:46 PM

Monte, not sure on a mac but try to get the system in safe mode. As it's trying to boot, hit F10 and see if it takes you there. If you can get to safe mode, you cam restore the system to a point before the install and all should be fine.

Looks like it won't be that simple.. Try this link and see if any of these steps will help...

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (skennington @ Apr 4 2009, 07:46 PM)

Monte, not sure on a mac but try to get the system in safe mode. As it's trying to boot, hit F10 and see if it takes you there. If you can get to safe mode, you cam restore the system to a point before the install and all should be fine.

Looks like it won't be that simple..

Try this link and see if any of these steps will help...

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411

Thanks Skenny....I already took it to a service center.

It needs a bigger hard drive and upgraded anyways.....I'm just venting. Thanks for the help....Back to the nitrous.......

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 4 2009, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 4 2009, 08:22 PM)

Back to the nitrous.......

I used to run a Nitrous System on one of my Bikes!!! Now that was some SERIOUS fun!!!!
Is the Mac a Laptop or Desktop? If it's a Laptop get them to make sure the Battery is OK!!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Apr 4 2009, 08:46 PM)

I used to run a Nitrous System on one of my Bikes!!! Now that was some SERIOUS fun!!!!
Is the Mac a Laptop or Desktop? If it's a Laptop get them to make sure the Battery is OK!!!!

It's a desktop...I knew this was coming....still sucks though.

Posted by: Sensible Jones Apr 4 2009, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 4 2009, 08:50 PM)

It's a desktop...I knew this was coming....still sucks though.

I know exactly where you are!!! I should be receiving the last components for my new set-up this week!! Just waiting on a new Monitor now! The PC I'm using is 10 years or so old. It only has a 20Gb Master Drive and an 80Gb Slave!!! It's so slow that I can't even run Reaper on it!!!!

Posted by: Skalde Apr 4 2009, 09:06 PM

Get some 500Gb extern harddrives. They are pretty cheap nowadays.
You could your main drive for your system and important programms and the extern drives for your recording stuff.
Maybe one for revovery only would be useful too

Posted by: jer Apr 4 2009, 09:22 PM

Emir speaks with much wisdom when it comes to setting up drives.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 09:50 PM

I have a 150GB external hard drive that I tried to install logic on and the program said that It had to be installed on the main drive. I'm gonna have 2 large drives installed and basically start from scratch. I have everything backed up on the external drive and I do most my personal stuff on my latptop. It just seems like every time I try to figure out the recording thing I run into a computer snafu and get so frustrated that I just say forget about it. The difference this time is that I have GMC and some people who actually can give me some worthwhile advice.

Thanks

Posted by: Emir Hot Apr 4 2009, 10:08 PM

Relax Monte, soon you will be recording the whole album I suppose

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 4 2009, 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Apr 4 2009, 10:08 PM)

Relax Monte, soon you will be recording the whole album I suppose

Right now I'd just settle for being able to record track properly for one of your collabs.

I feel much better now though....nitrous works great.

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 5 2009, 07:17 PM

A couple of things that may help Monte...

When you reinstall your OSD make sure you upgrade to at least 10.4.9 - Logic 8 needs 10.4.9 or later. If you're not up to to date could be a good time to go to 10.5.X .

The main Logic prog is about 7GB - it's the additional packs that add an extra 39GB to the required file space. With these extra ones you should get an option as to i) whether you want to install and ii) where you install. I think it is only the main prog that has to sit on the Op system disc.

As others have said it's a good opportunity to install a new second HD that you can use for your recordings and maybe even a third to stream samples from. Pare back what is on the system disc maybe to only the OS and Logic and put the kids' software on a different disc. If you can once you have a clean running system burn a Ghost image (or similar - I think the Apple equivalent is called something like Carbon Copy) that you can use to recover from in future. A Ghost ISO image would include OS, drivers, etc.

If it's Logic pro you need a G5 or better to run. For other versions of Logic 8 you need at least a 1.25 G4. Also the recommendation is at least 1GB of RAM - preferably 2.

The crashing - assuming it's only happened since Logic went down I think you may have a corrupt boot sector - and a clean OS install should sort this out. Rather sadly if you could bring up the error console you could find out but as it won't even boot .

Be aware that a lot of power cycle crashes are caused by faulty hardware - RAM, HD etc. Try the new OS install but if you are still getting problems then it may well be hardware...

Best of luck

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (tonymiro @ Apr 5 2009, 07:17 PM)

A couple of things that may help Monte...

When you reinstall your OSD make sure you upgrade to at least 10.4.9 - Logic 8 needs 10.4.9 or later. If you're not up to to date could be a good time to go to 10.5.X

.

The main Logic prog is about 7GB - it's the additional packs that add an extra 39GB to the required file space. With these extra ones you should get an option as to i) whether you want to install and ii) where you install. I think it is only the main prog that has to sit on the Op system disc.

As others have said it's a good opportunity to install a new second HD that you can use for your recordings and maybe even a third to stream samples from. Pare back what is on the system disc maybe to only the OS and Logic and put the kids' software on a different disc. If you can once you have a clean running system burn a Ghost image (or similar - I think the Apple equivalent is called something like Carbon Copy) that you can use to recover from in future. A Ghost ISO image would include OS, drivers, etc.

If it's Logic pro you need a G5 or better to run. For other versions of Logic 8 you need at least a 1.25 G4. Also the recommendation is at least 1GB of RAM - preferably 2.

The crashing - assuming it's only happened since Logic went down I think you may have a corrupt boot sector - and a clean OS install should sort this out. Rather sadly if you could bring up the error console you could find out but as it won't even boot

.

Be aware that a lot of power cycle crashes are caused by faulty hardware - RAM, HD etc. Try the new OS install but if you are still getting problems then it may well be hardware...

Best of luck

Thanks for the info Tony...and everybody else. I am definitely going to go with two HD's. I am going to probably take this opportunity to just start from scratch. I have all my files backed up on and external HD so now would be a good time to do a "do over". Thanks again everybody.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 5 2009, 07:34 PM

Have you emptied your garbage can? on the low right? Have you once made a TimeMachine point so you can set your Mac back in time?

Posted by: mattacuk Apr 5 2009, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Apr 4 2009, 06:09 PM)