Scales And Shredding, Lost in the scale maze |
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:00 AM
|
|
Ive been playing guitar for 2 years and i barely know any scales (only 2 boxes of the pentatonic scale in the key of A).
The main reason i want to learn scales is to be able to shred fast and solo like this kid here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsPddA6VJi4 Now im not really sure how to use scales, practice and play em. Have no idea about the scale rules (like if we have to always stick to a key in a song, when can we switch modes etc) Please help me (by posting links to lessons and explaining this complex stuff in a 2+2 format). I mainly want to be able to shred fast using scales. Thanks -------------------- __________________________
 ___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM)  Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
 |
 
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:10 AM
|
|
To answer some of the theory questions, you could start here, then check out my various lessons on individual scales, the index is here.
-------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:17 AM
|
|
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 17 2007, 04:10 AM) To answer some of the theory questions, you could start here, then check out my various lessons on individual scales, the index is here. Thanks Andrew, but i still have a question. Lets say i want to use the licks in this lesson to improvise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yZA4CkEbjY 1-I pick any scale in any key and choose any mode 2-Then i just place the licks in any frets in that scale/mode Am i right till here? Now heres the part which i dont get. Each note in the lick are intervals apart (example one or two frets). Now if i move the lick up and down a scale, sometimes the lick wont fit into a box (if i was to use my first and second finger i might have to use my first and third finger because theres a gap in the scale boxes). How do i adapt to these situations? -------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:23 AM
|
|
QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:17 PM) Thanks Andrew, but i still have a question. Lets say i want to use the licks in this lesson to improvise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yZA4CkEbjY 1-I pick any scale in any key and choose any mode 2-Then i just place the licks in any frets in that scale/mode Am i right till here? That sounds right ... QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:17 PM) Now heres the part which i dont get. Each note in the lick are intervals apart (example one or two frets). Now if i move the lick up and down a scale, sometimes the lick wont fit into a box (if i was to use my first and second finger i might have to use my first and third finger because theres a gap in the scale boxes). How do i adapt to these situations? By knowing the scales! If you are fitting licks into a scale and want to move them around, your scale training will allow you to adapt the links without thinking about it because you know the sequence and relation of notes in that particular scale. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:32 AM
|
|
QUOTE (steve25 @ Oct 17 2007, 04:12 AM) I haven't mastered scales yet but really want to get there, however i will tell you what i know. So you know 2 boxes in the pentatonic A? There are 5 to learn. I can give you a resource for scales if you like but anyway, each of those boxes will have at least 1 root note, most have 2 or 3. A root note is the starting note that defines what key you are in. No let's take the A minor pent box that starts on the 5th fret E. That fret is an A note therefore if you were to start your scale on that note you would be playing in the key of A. If you started on the 8th fret E, that wouldn't be in the key of A minor anymore, even though that note is still a part of the A minor scale. Instead that would be in the key of C, so you would have to play your C scales instead. But at the moment you don't know any so don't worry just yet. To be able to play in a key up and down the fretboard you have to 'link' your 5 boxes together. See Kris' lesson on this which is here at GMC. Now about different keys. I found understanding this part helps if you are comfortable with power chords and stuff. You know that 5th fret E is A, well if you move it up 1 fret onto the 6th you have A# don't you? So if you played the exact same scale box on the 6th fret you would be playing in the key of A#. Move it 2 places down from the 6th and you're now playing in G#. Make sense? But of course there are 5 boxes and remember there are different root notes, so you're not limited to always having to start in the same spot every single time. Think of the boxes as shapes as well all of them follow on from each other. Hope this helped a bit Does that mean all the minor pentatonic scale in each segment of the fretboard are of the same shape? (like the the second pentatonic box of A the same as the pentatonic box as C, but only the root notes are located in different parts)? In your second paragrapgh did you mean to say that if i follow the A minor pentatonic box shape (the one that starts on 5th fret), but start playning on the 8th fret and follow the exact box shape of Am pentatonic i would be playing in the key of the 8th fret minor penta? To me it does not make much sense (i think i understood it wrong). I though the box shape chages from key to key and different parts of the fret board. I understood you first paragraph crystal clear and it really helped a lot. This post has been edited by jammer91: Oct 17 2007, 01:35 AM -------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:48 AM
|
|
QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:32 PM) Does that mean all the minor pentatonic scale in each segment of the fretboard are of the same shape? (like the the second pentatonic box of A the same as the pentatonic box as C, but only the root notes are located in different parts)? Absolutely! QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:32 PM) In your second paragrapgh did you mean to say that if i follow the A minor pentatonic box shape (the one that starts on 5th fret), but start playning on the 8th fret and follow the exact box shape of Am pentatonic i would be playing in the key of the 8th fret minor penta? To me it does not make much sense (i think i understood it wrong). I though the box shape chages from key to key and different parts of the fret board. I understood you first paragraph crystal clear and it really helped a lot. If you play an A minor pentatonic, 1st box, the first note you play is on the E string 5th fret - a note of A, and also your root note. If you slide everything up 3 frets, your root note will be C (E string 8th fret). If you now play exactly the same shape as you played for A minor pentatonic, but with each note up 3 frets, you will be playing a scale of C minor Pentatonic. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 01:56 AM
|
|
I sorta get it now.
So does that mean all the pentatonic minor scale boxes look exactly the same shape but with different root notes? (then what about those gaps? Does that mean you cant start on those notes?)  Thanks a lot for helping steve and Andrew  . Its as if im pouring my doubts on to your heads and making things complex. Ive never been able to understand this stuff and have learn't a lot now, but still not fully sure.
-------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 02:06 AM
|
|
Now i get it (i think).
I went through andrews minor penta lesson (thx a lot for it man) and this is what i found bout key changing: The root note A is 2 semitones up from G, so just move each of these patterns up 2 frets and voila, you have patterns for A minor pentatonic. So you just slide each pattern to start at the key you want. That makes it confusing to visualize... Is there any site or resouce which has the minor penta moved for all keys? Thanks a million guys, i feel relieved of my scale burden.... So now i just memorise the scales and play as many licks as i can on them starting from a root note. What happens when i mix licks (do i have to start at the root notes of different positions of the scale boxes?) -------------------- __________________________
___________________________QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 AM) Part of the key to success is to never call yourself good... My RIg: -Epiphone 1967 FLying V -Line 6 POD XT live -VOX Valvetronics AD30VT -Yamaha EG-112 -Yamaha GA-10 -Some Yamaha acoustic which is a magnet to dust under my bed End World Hunger |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 02:16 AM
|
|
QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 17 2007, 01:06 AM) Is there any site or resouce which has the minor penta moved for all keys? You mean like this? http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_sc...or&get2=Get |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 17 2007, 02:18 AM
|
|
QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:06 PM) Now i get it (i think). I went through andrews minor penta lesson (thx a lot for it man) and this is what i found bout key changing: The root note A is 2 semitones up from G, so just move each of these patterns up 2 frets and voila, you have patterns for A minor pentatonic. So you just slide each pattern to start at the key you want. That makes it confusing to visualize... Is there any site or resouce which has the minor penta moved for all keys? Thanks a million guys, i feel relieved of my scale burden.... So now i just memorise the scales and play as many licks as i can on them starting from a root note. What happens when i mix licks (do i have to start at the root notes of different positions of the scale boxes?) You don't have to be nailed to the root notes - different licks start on different notes within the scale. In fact, you should be able to play any lick in any box eventually, although due to bending and such, different licks will work better in different boxes. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 20 2007, 12:28 AM
|
|
QUOTE (jammer91 @ Oct 16 2007, 08:00 PM) Ive been playing guitar for 2 years and i barely know any scales (only 2 boxes of the pentatonic scale in the key of A). The main reason i want to learn scales is to be able to shred fast and solo like this kid here.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsPddA6VJi4 Now im not really sure how to use scales, practice and play em. Have no idea about the scale rules (like if we have to always stick to a key in a song, when can we switch modes etc) Please help me (by posting links to lessons and explaining this complex stuff in a 2+2 format). I mainly want to be able to shred fast using scales. Thanks The kid in that videos tone is HORRIBLE! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 20 2007, 12:31 AM
|
|
QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Oct 20 2007, 01:28 AM) The kid in that videos tone is HORRIBLE! Yep 
-------------------- Youtube
MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?" |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 20 2007, 12:39 AM
|
|
QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Oct 19 2007, 05:28 PM) The kid in that videos tone is HORRIBLE! He's pretty sloppy too. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 20 2007, 12:43 AM
|
|
It would be a nicer lesson if he played the clean, slow versions without mistakes...
Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 20 2007, 12:43 AM
|
|
QUOTE (botoxfox @ Oct 20 2007, 01:39 AM) He's pretty sloppy too. He's a shredder 
-------------------- Youtube
MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?" |
|
|
|
|
 
|
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
