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Bone Nut Vs Plastic Nut
Sensible Jones
Sep 7 2012, 12:15 PM
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If I didn't change strings before a gig then I was going to brake a string ever time and always on the bridge.

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Check the edges on the Bridge, make sure they're nicely rounded and not sharp. Then check the String Grooves the same way, any sharpish edge will create a pressure point on the string and gradually cause it to break at that point!

Nice pair of guitars! I have a Balladeer also and it's never broken a string in anger!! This is quite surprising really as it's had a hard life and been bashed about a bit!!
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Sep 7 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Sep 7 2012, 12:15 PM) *
Check the edges on the Bridge, make sure they're nicely rounded and not sharp. Then check the String Grooves the same way, any sharpish edge will create a pressure point on the string and gradually cause it to break at that point!

Nice pair of guitars! I have a Balladeer also and it's never broken a string in anger!! This is quite surprising really as it's had a hard life and been bashed about a bit!!
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I did check that out (sharp edges) but really I seemed to break strings on any guitar. So it must have been my strumming technique.

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SpaseMoonkey
Sep 7 2012, 02:25 PM
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I had a Gibson LP not to far back but far enough! laugh.gif

I could never keep the g-string in tune. I could stretch the string all day long still would go out. I took it to a friend of mine who is a luthier. He worked on the nut and it still did it for me. So he told me the only way to fix it was either use graphite or get a new nut which he recommended a bone nut.

He claimed that it would increase sustain, keep the strings in tune longer/better, and also that bends wouldn't cut out as fast because of how smooth they are made.

I used the graphite trick till I traded it for a better guitar tho.

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Sensible Jones
Sep 7 2012, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (zoom @ Sep 7 2012, 02:04 PM) *
I did check that out (sharp edges) but really I seemed to break strings on any guitar. So it must have been my strumming technique.

Ah, fair enough! I guess we should call you 'Lead hand' instead of 'Leadbelly', eh??
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Cosmin Lupu
Sep 7 2012, 05:24 PM
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Guys, I am really happy - I have compared the feeling of my bone nut with the same model today at the dealer, having the plastic nut. Less sustain indeed and less depth indeed!

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Sep 8 2012, 07:19 AM
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Such a small, "insignificant", and rather inexpensive upgrade can make quite a difference!

I know that many (and some GREAT players) lean towards the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra.... yet your story is one of many reasons that I encourage players to explore gear upgrades within their budget/means. When you get that tone that vibrates with your particular style, and you just connect to the tone, the end result is pure magic. Unfortunately, in most cases, that magic costs $$$$$. tongue.gif

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Guys, I am really happy - I have compared the feeling of my bone nut with the same model today at the dealer, having the plastic nut. Less sustain indeed and less depth indeed!

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Sep 8 2012, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (derper @ Sep 8 2012, 06:19 AM) *
Such a small, "insignificant", and rather inexpensive upgrade can make quite a difference!

I know that many (and some GREAT players) lean towards the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra.... yet your story is one of many reasons that I encourage players to explore gear upgrades within their budget/means. When you get that tone that vibrates with your particular style, and you just connect to the tone, the end result is pure magic. Unfortunately, in most cases, that magic costs $$$$$. tongue.gif


Thank you mate! Well, I have a friend that uses a Russian made device, which he operates with a little piece of paper and some crayons - DON'T ask me how laugh.gif and he uses it as a power amp biggrin.gif

He also modded a VERY OLD and CRAPPY guitar which still looks crappy but has the EXACT tone of a telecaster laugh.gif

So, yes, sometimes, magic can be achieved without that much $$$ biggrin.gif

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Sep 8 2012, 10:20 AM
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Now I am REALLY getting curious about bone nuts...

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QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Sep 8 2012, 09:20 AM) *
Now I am REALLY getting curious about bone nuts...


Marcus will be trying bone nuts and going Musashi style, after reading Gorin No Sho in the airplane on the way towards USA! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Sep 3 2012, 02:23 PM) *
I've installed a few Bone nuts, you can notice the difference. As bone is more 'dense' than plastic it transfers a better vibration through the neck to add to the natural resonance of the guitar. This is also why Brass ones are used too!!
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Would an Ivory nut have similar characteristics as a bone nut I wonder?

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Cosmin Lupu
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I've also heard about tusq nuts - I HOPE they are not made out of ivory, as I would be very much against killing elephants for having their tusks on my guitar... sad.gif

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this may be dumb but how do the steel locking nuts of floyd roses compare? i imaginge they would transfer most of the sound through the neck.

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Sensible Jones
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QUOTE (AK Rich @ Sep 10 2012, 05:24 AM) *
Would an Ivory nut have similar characteristics as a bone nut I wonder?

They do indeed, in fact very early Guitars/Lutes etc had Ivory ones.

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Sep 10 2012, 07:22 AM) *
I've also heard about tusq nuts - I HOPE they are not made out of ivory, as I would be very much against killing elephants for having their tusks on my guitar... sad.gif

No they're not actually Ivory, it's a composite material that is hard like Bone or Ivory and has the same kind of properties.
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Fear not, no living Tusq animals were harmed in the making of these nuts!!

QUOTE (wish to shred @ Sep 10 2012, 12:52 PM) *
this may be dumb but how do the steel locking nuts of floyd roses compare? i imaginge they would transfer most of the sound through the neck.

Not dumb at all and a very valid question! They do transfer a lot of resonance through the neck, BUT because the bridge end is free floating it loses at that end.
The idea of these replacements is to help increase tone and sustain therefore they're meant for fixed bridge guitars.
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