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Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 1 2021, 10:51 AM

Yup! Just barely after they were released, it's getting harder to find a RG565 Genesis. It's not shocking really. After all, ibby fan boys have been lusting after this axe for decades. They probably way underestimated demand per usual and now places like sweetwater have run out of them.


Whats worse is that now I'm seeing them on reverb.com for $500 over what they were going for NEW on sweetwater!!


I hope they do another run of these. I just hope they don't over produce them and start getting slack on the quality control as sometimes happens. I'd love to have one of these. I'm going to try to save up for one and maybe BEN and I can do a RG565 solo collab!

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 1 2021, 11:29 AM

I've gone ahead and sent the German shop Thomann a message, asking if a pre-order means paying now or when the guitar is sent. It says "can be sent in several months". I've put 330 USD aside for now, hoping I get some more cash for my birthday in January, then at the end of January I should be able to put another 330 USD aside, and same for the end of February. Then I'll be getting close I could possibly put more aside, but then I'd be living on bread and water.

It's currently at 1250 USD here in Denmark/Germany.

Posted by: Mertay Jan 1 2021, 11:29 AM

From memory I only noticed inconsistencies with lower-end indo models with ibanez, might take a while to fill stocks but I'm sure they'll be just as nice.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 1 2021, 02:27 PM

Andertons say they have some on order due in end of Feb. Price is pretty good, I thought they would be more but then again, they're not Prestige.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/ibanez-genesis-collection-rg565-fluorescent-orange-rg565for?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=surfaces&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvs-xt-r67QIVQuDtCh2KZw6tEAQYASABEgIOlvD_BwE

Posted by: Mertay Jan 1 2021, 04:10 PM

Made in Japan is basically prestige quality. Actually, minor historic inconsistency is the neck which is direct from modern prestige shape.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 1 2021, 04:36 PM

I wonder why the price is below £1000? Cheapest Prestige is £1100, maybe no hard case etc

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 1 2021, 04:38 PM

I've just seen that it says "Next Delivery Due: 3 Months or Longer" on Andertons too on the Emerald Green on that I want. It's okay though, as I still need to save up.

https://www.andertons.co.uk/ibanez-genesis-collection-rg565-emerald-green

Posted by: Mertay Jan 1 2021, 05:38 PM

I didn't check if it has hardcase but not having dimarzio to me justifies it.

One actually profits if the dimarzio's are included but 90% of the time they use Air-norton, Tonezone. But the advantage of non-dimarzio is upgrading PU's gets cheaper.

The v8 on them shouldn't be bad but they're made in asia if I remember right. I'd prefer dimarzio's to them but no way v8's are deal breakers for me.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 1 2021, 06:56 PM

My RG1570 has a V7/S1/V8 and is possibly the cheapest Prestige so you may have a point

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 1 2021, 08:37 PM

The RG565 GENESIS is a MIJ (Made in Japan) Ibanez. It's not an "indo". It's the real thing. These are amazing guitars.

They are using the original pickup design from the original guitar in the bridge which was a very aggressive alnico that gave the guitar it's signature sound. Purists like myself are stoked they brought back the old pups to keep it as close to "stock" as possible. Still, folks can always swap out pups.

Posted by: Mertay Jan 1 2021, 08:40 PM

Yeah thats what I was going for, should have been more clear.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 1 2021, 09:21 PM

My RG1570 has the V8 bridge with alnico 5, is that the same pickup? I've always found it a little muddy to be honest. Mind you, the RG1570 isn't a very vibrant and bright sounding guitar when unplugged, maybe it's the wood??

Posted by: Mertay Jan 1 2021, 10:19 PM

You're right those PU's do overall sound a bit weak/muddy when played clean, although some can make nice fender-ish cleans with in-between switch positions its design goal was purely distortion.

It doesn't get sharp on the highs but more importantly the mid.s retain a musical vibe (sort of the ibanez signature tone) despite what amp is chosen to work with insane gain.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 2 2021, 01:21 AM

I've got the original V2 alnico in my RG560 and It's what got me in to passive alnico pickups. I've always loved the way it sounded. The V8 was just the later version. I honestly prefer these to just about any other pups I've ever heard in the basswood Ibbys. But you know what they say, tone is in the fingers more than anything else. Then again, everyone's mileage will vary.

It's not a "Prestige" It's a reissue of a "mid range" guitar. Back when these were built they were in the middle of the range in terms of cost and in terms of materials used. So while it's a real "MIJ" Ibby, with the original WIZARD 17mm Neck profile (although, this time it's a five piece neck so it's less likely to warp under load) it's still using lower cost bits including the pups.

For hardcore ibby nuts, this is the "unicorn" Ibby. it' was only made for one year. It's one of the few Ibbys ever to use the humbucker/dual single coil/no faceplace/reverse headstock combination. On top of that, it just looks cool. Ibby fans have been fighting over the originals on the used market for decades.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 2 2021, 02:20 PM

My RG1570 sounds quite flat unplugged, if I pick up my PRS SE Custom24 it has much more sparkle, higher frequencies come through, the difference is like putting a pillow in from of a speaker if you know what I mean

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 3 2021, 03:08 AM

Yup. I hear ya. Some guitars just sound brighter and have more sparkle. Some axes are very resonant event when not plugged in to an amp. The PRS axes are quite just very nice well built guitars to be sure.

Your prestige is a better guitar than the RG565 genesis as well imho, just better materials, pups etc. Then again it's a prestige so it should be a bit better. The 565 is still a mid range guitar that doesn't even come with a case, just like it didn't when first released. I'd still love to have one of the 565 "gennies" though, even over a better quality prestige instrument. Just always wanted one.

Posted by: Mertay Jan 3 2021, 12:56 PM

PRS's are particularly bright when listened both acoustic even compared to Gibson/Epi's. It's not only the wood choice but ibanez floating trem.s also affect brightness. Like, when you hit a chord and touch the trem. you'll notice its vibrating a lot cause they're super sensitive.

But if you want to brighten an ibanez a bit, my first advice is rather than changing PU's try blocking to trem. . If you don't pull the trem. and won't miss that functionality, it can be blocked to be dive-only. It's not a huge difference but noticable. Other advantages are tuning gets much easier and when you bend a note, other notes won't be affected.

Tremol-no is popular but I went something cheap like this; https://www.amazon.com/AmplifiedParts-Tremolo-Stopper/dp/B00CPSYA74/ref=pd_lpo_267_t_2/136-3306206-3331847?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00CPSYA74&pd_rd_r=8313edf7-5c02-4694-9e4f-39dad37e7da7&pd_rd_w=hkb6c&pd_rd_wg=DofTz&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=1JGTMC6M2MZFK4BFAGWZ&psc=1&refRID=1JGTMC6M2MZFK4BFAGWZ

It should take a few minutes for your luthier to install and setup if needed. If you don't like it just back-off the screw and the trem. would function as usual.

After that as my guitar aged, I changed the wires and pots in it too. That affected more than I imagined and I'm still thinking about changing one of the pots to 250k to smooth some highs. HO/PO like stuff gets easier but overall cause of the brightness every stupid mistake starts to really show itself

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 3 2021, 01:19 PM

I have a Tremel-No in my Squire HMIII, years ago the OEM Trem wore out and I put a Schaller on there and that eventually lost stability. Works a treat but blocking is the cheapest option.

That Trem Stopper is a simple but effective design if you still want to dive but won't help with other strings when bending, swings and roundabouts. I might make a few of those and sell them on eBay

Cheers

Posted by: Mertay Jan 3 2021, 02:22 PM

It will, all you have to do is screw the spring-tree harder so the springs will give more resistance to the trem. This also results theoretically in more body vibrance as the trem. passes vibration to the body better with stringer connection pressiure to the cheap trem. stopper. But just don't over-tighten or diving will need to much strength.

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 3 2021, 03:39 PM

Oh yes, I hadn't thought of that, doh

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 4 2021, 04:13 PM

I pre-ordered one and got the expected delivery date of... 31st of May. Ugh! Long wait now

Posted by: Mertay Jan 4 2021, 06:11 PM

Super congrats!

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 4 2021, 06:57 PM

Congratulations buddy

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 4 2021, 07:05 PM

Thanks, guys, let's hope it's worth the wait

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 4 2021, 08:44 PM

I'm sure it will be, what colour did you go for?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 4 2021, 09:30 PM

Emerald Green

Posted by: Phil66 Jan 4 2021, 10:52 PM

That's the one I'd have, sweet

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 5 2021, 12:38 AM

Mega Congrats dude!! Did they let you put a down payment or did they want it paid in full up front?

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 5 2021, 01:32 PM

I don't have to pay till it is being shipped (31st of May). So I have almost half a year to save up.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 5 2021, 07:44 PM

Thats great! Sadly they won't ship one to me here in the states. I went to the site and tried it

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jan 6 2021, 12:58 PM

That's a shame.

If you were to change the pickups from the original ones in the RG565 Genesis to something else, what would you go for? I hear the original pick ups are okay, but not the best. I have considered my usual combination of Tone-Zone and Air Norton. But maybe it's time to try something new.

Posted by: Mertay Jan 6 2021, 01:28 PM

The indo version at the time came with a deactivator bridge which I really liked. Extremely good for powercohords, on cleans quite versatile and balanced. Think EMG but all the good of a passive-pickup which was the goal in its design. If strictly lead is in mind, tonezone would be a safe choice but you have lots of options like vai or petrucci models.

The neck was an air-norton s. Bit more open than the humbucker version but still has a smooth high-end.

I'd probably prioritize the bridge and after installing one then try to find a matching neck.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jan 7 2021, 12:12 AM

They are using the original design of the old pickup in the bridge. It was never a high end pup though. It was their in house brand before the in house brand became the INFINITY series. I simply hate the infinity series to be honest. I like the old V series though Most folks will probably swap the pups. The Tone/Norton is a tried and true Ibby combo and yields predictable results. Your amp/plugin presets should work great with that combo as it's the same as in your blue ibby. However, it might be fun to try out something new as you say. There are so many good options these days. Of course, the "Trendy" pickup is currently the Fishman Fluence Modern. Not to long ago the trendy pups were all Bareknuckle. Before that, it was briefly Lundgren during the 8 string crazy a while back. Any thoughts on what you might put in? Give it a try as stock of course, you may like it.