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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 04:32 PM) *

I REALLY like their slogan. Simply sophisticated. You don't see many this clever nowadays.

Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.

Personally, I only find the EQ interesting but I'll try out GE-7 before moving on to larger stuff. I hear there are a few nice rack eq units, so there's a lot to choose from.


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Yeah the eq got the most instant feedback of looking promising. I'd expect it to beat GE-7 for having less noise and higher fidelity, the ge-7 is from what I remember is an "ok" pedal but not to expect any analog goodness. I liked the recent mxr eq's more, very good quality only downside is they have a limited headroom (warns with leds is headroom is passed).

MD AND DD-200 seems 3/1 cheaper than the 500 series, if no advanced tweaking required could be cool for the price. I demoed all the 500 stuff and they sounded very good.

But the OD I'm not sure. With a cool tube-amp amp such digital-drive pedals do sound good depending on setup but with lesser amps or used with digital they start to feel fake very soon. But I do like the GT1000 so we'll see...

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 07:17 PM) *
Yeah the eq got the most instant feedback of looking promising. I'd expect it to beat GE-7 for having less noise and higher fidelity, the ge-7 is from what I remember is an "ok" pedal but not to expect any analog goodness. I liked the recent mxr eq's more, very good quality only downside is they have a limited headroom (warns with leds is headroom is passed).

MD AND DD-200 seems 3/1 cheaper than the 500 series, if no advanced tweaking required could be cool for the price. I demoed all the 500 stuff and they sounded very good.

But the OD I'm not sure. With a cool tube-amp amp such digital-drive pedals do sound good depending on setup but with lesser amps or used with digital they start to feel fake very soon. But I do like the GT1000 so we'll see...

I hear a lot of good things about sniper modded GE-7 (get it cheap and swap certain elements to the same but of better quality, basically build a new circuit using Boss' PCB). If I find a cheap one, shouldn't hurt to try stock one, I'm not going to mod it. I'd probably prefer a rack unit instead of this multi-band new thing and an EQ would probably be a huge upgrade because I'm using Joyo Zombie amp and consider getting the Jackman model. These have only Tone knob, as in guitar or od/distortion pedals, so my options are limited. I like the sound, though so it's not a big problem.


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post Jun 13 2019, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 07:14 PM) *
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Sure and eq can be quite useful. I mean even if you change the amp one day you can use it as a boost pedal or as solo level/tone increase on the send/return.


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post Jun 14 2019, 01:55 AM
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I love playing with new pedals smile.gif I hope these show up in guitar center so I can give them a whirl. I end up buying pedals that I don't need just to have some fun with them. I bought one of those mini tube screamers just cause they looked so darn cool! I tried it and yup, it's a tube screamer. Just like every other tube screamer ive owned, but it's smaller. So it's going back on the block.


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post Jun 14 2019, 02:41 AM
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QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 08:28 PM) *
Sure and eq can be quite useful. I mean even if you change the amp one day you can use it as a boost pedal or as solo level/tone increase on the send/return.

I have a Behringer's EQ700 and it's okay for clean but it's super hissy with overdrives and distortions. Are all EQ's like this?

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 14 2019, 01:55 AM) *
I love playing with new pedals smile.gif I hope these show up in guitar center so I can give them a whirl. I end up buying pedals that I don't need just to have some fun with them. I bought one of those mini tube screamers just cause they looked so darn cool! I tried it and yup, it's a tube screamer. Just like every other tube screamer ive owned, but it's smaller. So it's going back on the block.

I like that part about buying rig just to play around with it! I'm the same but I'm usually looking for bargains in used market.

The other day I bought an OD pedal and that company was just entering Polish market. I basically got a tube screamer for 5% of its price because whoever put it on auction was probably expecting any competition. Now its prices are 4 times bigger but it's still relatively cheap for the quality/price.

I'm not a fan of One-Unit-To-Rule-Them-All philosophy but the EQ pedal doesn't fall in the category. I'll try each at store if they have any in stock, as you said, it's fun smile.gif

There's also a chance Ola will review one of these, so that's another thing to look forward to.

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post Jun 14 2019, 02:56 AM
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They look interesting but they 'street' at $250.00.
Their competition, at least for me, will be both my TC and Strymon pedals.
The TC stuff is $100 cheaper with equal or better sound quality and most of the Strymon gear is only $50 more with infinitely better sound quality, better build quality not too mention super deep multi-function knob/switch options.
Yes, the Boss gives you 4 presets, though with an external switch, the Strymon gear allows for 2. Depending on which Strymon pedal - sometimes 3 presets. The TC stuff boasts the Tone Print feature which I employ all the time.

A lot of Boss pedals are cool but little of what they've made that's over $100 has ever really sounded like it's worth more than a hundred dollars. Maybe the DC-2 because of how unique it is.


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QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 14 2019, 01:41 AM) *
I have a Behringer's EQ700 and it's okay for clean but it's super hissy with overdrives and distortions. Are all EQ's like this?


I didn't notice that with the mxr but likely a digital pedal will be a touch more quiet.


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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 14 2019, 01:56 AM) *
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I probably wouldn't be eager to demo a boss if I had a tc or strymon pedal unless needed something specific. I never compared them side-by-side but the boss (my experience with 500 series) really impressed me.

Thing about boss was overall the algo's were very straight-forward, meaning nothing innovative etc. compared to other brands. But the clarity, tweak-ability, ease of use, felt like a tank...they do the workhorse thing really well even with digital stuff like these.

If they don't sound any less than the 500 series, then could be a winner.


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QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 06:47 PM) *
Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.


Hm so they are digital?

I have tried multiple digital pedals in a chain and although A/D D/A conversion nowadayds has got really good even at low pricepoints - the major issue is that after a few pedals you get audible or at least "feelable" latency. So yes having all the effects in one single digital unit to avoid stacking A/D latency totally makes sense!


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QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 01:47 PM) *
I REALLY like their slogan. Simply sophisticated. You don't see many this clever nowadays.

Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.

Personally, I only find the EQ interesting but I'll try out GE-7 before moving on to larger stuff. I hear there are a few nice rack eq units, so there's a lot to choose from.



mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.



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They're basically breaking apart the gt1000 algo's similar to line6 with their digital fx. Only the OD200 differs a bit, seems to be a semi-analog device


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post Jun 15 2019, 05:12 AM
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Id have to agree. HOnestly, at this price range, I"d just get the Hotone Ampero which runs about $400 and uses the algos from the Xtomp which I also liked quite a bit. The problem with the Xtomp is that it can't change patches quickly it's just one thing at a time. each emulated pedal/amp was good, but changes were to slow to use it on stage as anything but one pedal. People were buying 2 or thre of them which seems crazy. I'd buy a kemper before I bought 3 xtomps. But the ampero is about the price of two of these pedals and does everything one could need while sounding quite good at the same time.

I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Still, I would like to try these out just for giggles wink.gif

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 14 2019, 05:23 PM) *
mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 15 2019, 04:12 AM) *
I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Well, the point of that is so the tone of guitar won't be changed. My experience is every processor I tried (low to mid. priced stuff) changes the signal balance somehow, you can test that with the hotone too just bypass everything record then plug guitar direct to soundcard and record. These processors usually have hidden post-eq to compensate that difference.

Reverb pedals are usually better than processors cause a good reverb takes too much dsp. Delays can be argued but my experience the output is usually more lively eq'wise. These are also (hardware) parallel designed which to my knowledge can't be done with processors.

Boss jumps in here by being buffered, as a buffer also influences sound character. Some totally avoids while others select 1-2 (usually their famous tuner) on their chain so the signal won't get too dark by cable length or too many (even if true-bypass) pedals. The 500 series by the way are true-bypass or buffered selectable, not sure about the 200 series.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 15 2019, 05:12 AM) *
Id have to agree. HOnestly, at this price range, I"d just get the Hotone Ampero which runs about $400 and uses the algos from the Xtomp which I also liked quite a bit. The problem with the Xtomp is that it can't change patches quickly it's just one thing at a time. each emulated pedal/amp was good, but changes were to slow to use it on stage as anything but one pedal. People were buying 2 or thre of them which seems crazy. I'd buy a kemper before I bought 3 xtomps. But the ampero is about the price of two of these pedals and does everything one could need while sounding quite good at the same time.

I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Still, I would like to try these out just for giggles wink.gif

That's me! smile.gif I hate cars with ABS or assisted steering just as much as I dislike modelling units. It takes away most of the fun for me. The easiest solution to needing a pedal control unit is imho a/b switch. Distortion signal in one path and clean in the other. If you plan to be consistent with your tone and don't need to switch between more than 2-3 presets it should be good enough. I know being analogue semi-purist is in some ways inefficient but as much as I love tinkering, I may eventually put together some unit to fix these issues.


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Then you are the target market smile.gif I''m an ancillary market as I might get a unit just to try it out and see how it sounds. The flexibility of a single unit won me over a while ago yet I still had two pedal boards for years. Only recently did I sell them off after the ampero as I found I never used them anymore. They just took too much time to adjust and then creating patches was very limiting. Not being able to have as many settings on a given pedal as I wanted also killed it. I still like playing wtih pedals thought smile.gif Probably always will.
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That's me! smile.gif I hate cars with ABS or assisted steering just as much as I dislike modelling units. It takes away most of the fun for me. The easiest solution to needing a pedal control unit is imho a/b switch. Distortion signal in one path and clean in the other. If you plan to be consistent with your tone and don't need to switch between more than 2-3 presets it should be good enough. I know being analogue semi-purist is in some ways inefficient but as much as I love tinkering, I may eventually put together some unit to fix these issues.


The first thing I do with any pedal/unit, is do the on off test with no fx to see if it's messing with the tone. The 11 rack didn't seem to have any impact and the ampero has no impact. However, I hear some of the early amperos had noise in them which was later fixed. I've got the 11 and the ampero and they are both great units. I find myself using the ampero because it's so small and easy to tweak with the touch screen or the software editor. I'll never sell the 11 though. It's just a very handy piece of kit and them amps tones are great . LIke i said though I hope to try these pedals out : ) Love trying new gear. Not to marry, just to date it briefly. Kinda like my video games smile.gif

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Well, the point of that is so the tone of guitar won't be changed. My experience is every processor I tried (low to mid. priced stuff) changes the signal balance somehow, you can test that with the hotone too just bypass everything record then plug guitar direct to soundcard and record. These processors usually have hidden post-eq to compensate that difference.

Reverb pedals are usually better than processors cause a good reverb takes too much dsp. Delays can be argued but my experience the output is usually more lively eq'wise. These are also (hardware) parallel designed which to my knowledge can't be done with processors.

Boss jumps in here by being buffered, as a buffer also influences sound character. Some totally avoids while others select 1-2 (usually their famous tuner) on their chain so the signal won't get too dark by cable length or too many (even if true-bypass) pedals. The 500 series by the way are true-bypass or buffered selectable, not sure about the 200 series.


I have to agree smile.gif Having all of it in one spot is just way more easy to build tones with IMHO. If you have good sounding bits in the unit, that sound as good or better than the pedals/amps, then the pedals/amps are just dead weight. That said, I still like playing with new gear, even if I have no intention of keeping it. smile.gif Some folks just like making pedals boards. I still find it to be fun smile.gif Like legos for music. But I never end up using them as they are way to limiting. One sound per pedal? Why? When I can have 100 sounds out of that pedal without having to adjust it manually cause it's in the multi unit. But to each his own smile.gif


QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 14 2019, 05:23 PM) *
mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.


Here is a demo video from Boss. Some great tones!! Nothing that a good multi can't do IMHO, but it's fun to build a board and play with buttons so I say build boards!!! But they are $250 each so all four is $1,000. I'd return them all and get a good multi unit for that price. You could almost buy two good units, an ampero and a mini helix or mini headrush and have way more possibilites.



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They sound pretty good but as Todd says, "all the decent multi-fx units sound that good now". And the high end ones sound better.

If you like pedals, don't mind spending $50 more and want absolutely stellar tone - do yourself a favor and go the Eventide, Strymon and Source Audio route. If you dig the weird stuff - Earthquaker Devices.
Unless you need money you won't sell them because so far, no multifx, modeler or profiler does time based effects this good (yet).

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Friend of mine bought this amp (with original cab.) used only 2 days ago, I played that amp last year and might be the best I've ever played. Just a few knobs or buttons and the variety of tones are huge, genius engineering.

So he's near broke now biggrin.gif but needs a reverb pedal and can't use a cheap pedal or processor (currently has a gt100) , in reality he can but the moment you plug something and notice a difference in tone or dynamics one just can't give-up on such a beautiful tone.

But if using processor as amp then this isn't an issue, any change of eq etc. can be compensated by the device's cab. or eq section anyway. Naturally, any tone coming out of the device is "its tone" so its easy to adapt its self coloration.

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Cool amp!!!! That's the BIG IRON!

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Friend of mine bought this amp (with original cab.) used only 2 days ago, I played that amp last year and might be the best I've ever played. Just a few knobs or buttons and the variety of tones are huge, genius engineering.

So he's near broke now biggrin.gif but needs a reverb pedal and can't use a cheap pedal or processor (currently has a gt100) , in reality he can but the moment you plug something and notice a difference in tone or dynamics one just can't give-up on such a beautiful tone.

But if using processor as amp then this isn't an issue, any change of eq etc. can be compensated by the device's cab. or eq section anyway. Naturally, any tone coming out of the device is "its tone" so its easy to adapt its self coloration.
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