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Hi Phil!

He recommends to work on each hand at a time and try to take it to the tempo required. This really make sense and can be one part of the practice to then get back to sync both hands. The reason that he gives is that the movements required for fast tempos are not the same than the used for slow tempos. So practicing at fast tempo without having to think on synchronizing both hands can be a good (extra) method. Kiko Loureiro also recommends it, and I've personally use this as well.

This is also comparable to the idea of practicing much faster than your comfortable tempo to break your headroom.

There are many tricks, and methods, but there is only one secret: Practice. smile.gif Focusing for a good amount of time every day on it.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 27 2021, 02:58 AM) *
There are many tricks, and methods, but there is only one secret: Practice. smile.gif Focusing for a good amount of time every day on it.


Yeah I know, I just thought that there may be something we could work on to supplement just playing through the same piece. I was playing it for an hour a day, over and over but just couldn't get passed 70% speed, the chordal part was the one that was the main hurdle.

As I said, when a collab appears, I love to get stuck into them at the detriment of the lesson I'm working on and I did a lot for the last one, even purchasing and testing a new mic. It's like spinning plates with my time restrictions biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 27 2021, 06:58 AM) *
Yeah I know, I just thought that there may be something we could work on to supplement just playing through the same piece. I was playing it for an hour a day, over and over but just couldn't get passed 70% speed, the chordal part was the one that was the main hurdle.


I would really try what he suggests.

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I'll work on it but please know I'm not putting his advice above yours, just looking for different approaches. It's frustrating when you've played the same thing for an hour a night on loop for a week with no improvements.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 27 2021, 02:58 AM) *
He recommends to work on each hand at a time and try to take it to the tempo required. This really make sense and can be one part of the practice to then get back to sync both hands.


As my fingers know the whole lesson I'm going to work on getting each bar and the transition between them up to speed. I may be looking at it wrong but I'm struggling to work on each hand individually. Do I just play along with GP using just my left hand and then just my right hand? It feels really strange.

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 27 2021, 02:58 AM) *
..... there is only one secret: Practice.


I agree 100% but there is another secret, that practise has to be done the right way which I'm still trying to find for me wink.gif

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Hi Phil, the idea is to add to your current increasing tempo practice in small blocks, the method of isolating each hand. Sometimes you'll notice separating your left can be tricky, but at least you can practice a bit holding the shapes.

In this video I show you how I would separate the right hand for some parts of this lesson, how I would work on the right hand (using some pick and legato), and how I work on very small fragments. The idea is to always try to reach the target tempo when isolating in any of these ways.

Then, as, Troy says, the idea is to try to increase the tempo of your slow practice and find a place where both things meet.

Here I'm showing some random examples of what I would work. I'm obviously reaching the high speed quickly because I've already mastered the part but it may take some practice sessions to reach it. But as you will be focusing only on 1 hand, it could be smoother.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 30 2021, 04:37 PM) *
Let me know if this makes sense!


Thanks for doing that video Gab, much appreciated smile.gif

I'd started doing something similar but the way you show me is better. I put a wrap around the strings and just used my right hand. I tried the same with my left hand, it felt very strange but I'll try it for a while. I'll use the video technique for my right hand and the wrap technique for my left unless you suggest different.

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Cool Phil! I'm not sure if I understand what you'll use for your left hand practice... a wrap? Why? I'm not using a wrap at all. I'm muting with my left hand the strings when practicing with my right, and using legato and shorter parts when practicing my left.

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I didn't explain it very well. The wrap is just so that I can take my right hand completely off the guitar and work on my left (fretting) hand. I guess I could just put my right hand on the strings to mute them. I did the same for my picking hand, muting with a wrap but your way is better because you can switch to one or both hands.

I'll just use the hand I'm not working on to mute the string from now on smile.gif

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Hello buddy,

Okay, before I get too far into getting up to speed with this lesson, I want you to check out the picking please. I've just noticed that you are doing only downstrokes. If I want to put this into REC should I do that too?

I'm currently just rolling with what my right hand wants to do.

What do you think?

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Nice Phil! This sounds really good! I'm using only downstrokes in the new video because I'm emulating my own playing in that vintage lesson.

Honestly, you could play it in both ways. The only difference is that you won't get the type of accentuation that I get in my take. It's not better or worse, it's just different.

In this take there is an extra rotation when you get back to the lower string that is now necessary and that can bring issues when trying to play this faster.

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Thanks buddy,

I've also noticed that the original lesson is all downstrokes too, I think that if I get it up to speed, I might as well post it in REC and with that in mind, I might as well play downstrokes.

The way I played it seemed the most natural to me and all downstrokes seems harder to play fast, particularly the little descending runs (if that's what they're called) like in bars 4 and 6 but I'll make the switch now. I'd hate to get it to REC and fail the grade because the picking doesn't match the lesson wink.gif

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Yes, I got you mate. This can be a good excuse to master downpicking which is a very useful technique for both rhythm and lead guitar.

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Okay Gab,

I've slowed it down to half speed, in this video I didn't play the chords as I need to work on them at this speed.

Please check for any left and right-hand issues before I get too deep into developing bad habits.

It's amazing how hard it is to switch from how I was picking it to doing all downstrokes laugh.gif

I know there are some mistakes but I need to know more about mechanics please.

I'm trying to get close to your lesson tone, I think I need more mids or maybe a wah pedal set halfway. What do you think? Your tone sounds a little bit "boxy" like a small practice amp, is that correct?

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Hi Phil,

This sounds very well! At this tempo, I don't notice problems with your movements or mechanics. However, based on what Troy said, there maybe a different technique when playing fast, so you should try to practice only with your right hand at a higher tempo too.

There is nothing to fix here, but remember that the technique used for speed picking is not exactly the same than the one used for slow picking/playing.

In other words, I would suggest to make smaller movements when downpicking, but it doesn't make sense at this tempo.

Do you get what I mean?


Your tone sounds great. In my lesson, I'm using the neck pick up. That's why the sound quality is different. I remember using my Marshall Valvestate 8080 for this lesson.





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Hello Gab,

Here is a video, it's very scruffy ay 80% but please check out the right hand more than anything. I did try practising with just the right hand but it felt extremely weird, especially where there is a hammer on, it's a whole new skill on its own biggrin.gif

This is my first attempt at downstrokes at 80%, I was just trying to push the boundary, this is why it's scruffy but as I said, right hand is the one to watch please. Also what about the tone?

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Hi Phil! Is this the right video?

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Sorry Gab,

That's another lesson with Todd that I'm struggling with due to lingering issues from that injury last year rolleyes.gif

I've corrected it now.

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Hello Gab,

In case you missed it I corrected that video from yesterday (see above).

Okay, I had an idea, you know I said I was struggling to isolate the picking hand and play without the left hand? mainly where there were hammer ons, it was confusing my right hand. What I did was, in GP I removed the notes that are hammered on and play along with it. It worked like a dream to isolate the picking pattern. Most people probably won't need to do it but it helped me. Here is video of me trying to do what you did in your demonstration video.

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