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Dec 13 2013, 06:11 AM
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I was planning on keeping it off the internet until I release, but it's probably better to get everyone's opinion
 Thanks ToddIf you've got a moment, please listen and critique/constructive feedback this mix please. The part I don't feel satisfied the most with in this mix is the lower end frequencies, something just seems 'wrong' about the bass :S Thanks a lot! 
Track_Draft_1.mp3 ( 12.21MB )
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Dec 13 2013, 08:20 AM
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Your probably ok to put it up and get some feedback at pretty much every stage of it's development. No reason to keep it under wraps to be honest unless you are afraid someone is going to "pirate" it
Kidding of course. Piracy is your friend to be honest until you reach a certain level of fan awareness and even then it's really just promo. But of course, some folks really get chaffed at this idea. Such is life  Anyhoo, I"ll give it a listen and report back. Update: Well, it sounds workable to me Considering you are mixing it almost blind it's actually pretty good. Maybe a bit of a hump in the low mid/upper bass range but nothing to far out. But yeah, being able to hear your own mix is really important. Start saving up to get a pair of real monitors. The usual suspects in the price range of course per the countless times it's been gone over in the forums. I'm guessing you've read those threads as they've come up? In short, KRK, ALESIS, ADAM, JBL, MACKIE all make decent near field monitors for folks on a budget. Put your ears on a few pair next time your at a music store to see which ones you like Todd QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Dec 13 2013, 12:11 AM)  I was planning on keeping it off the internet until I release, but it's probably better to get everyone's opinion
Thanks ToddIf you've got a moment, please listen and critique/constructive feedback this mix please. The part I don't feel satisfied the most with in this mix is the lower end frequencies, something just seems 'wrong' about the bass :S Thanks a lot!
Track_Draft_1.mp3 ( 12.21MB )
Number of downloads: 162This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Dec 13 2013, 08:26 AM |
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Dec 13 2013, 10:54 AM
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Just on the mix (the performance etc seem fine)...
Any comments are going to be rather limited as an mp3 really isn't suitable due to the inherent compression issues with transcoding. What I would say is that the gainstaging seems wrong, the track has a rather digital quality to it and it sounds a bit 2 dimensional and flat. I've only had a quick listen on a laptop. If you can put the track up as an uncompressed wave I'll try and give it a proper listen in the studio when we've a bit of free time. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Dec 13 2013, 12:52 PM
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Sorry but I'd need a wave file not FLAc Taka.
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Dec 17 2013, 01:53 PM
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Just some quick comments on the mix for Taka.
I thought the tune was a nice composition and three is some good developmet but the mix does need work. Before I say anything though I would stress that for a home/project mix this isn't that bad. Most of these issues plague home/project mixes generally and often to a greater extent than Taka's. The gainstaging isn't right - and this is true of a large number, possibly the majority of project studio mixes, not just Taka's. (I've had mixes from some 'pro' mix engineers who need to redo their gainstaging.) Two of the immediate consequences of that are that there is noticeable noise in quite a few places and there is evident distortion. Ideally the tune needs to be mixed again with correct gainstaging and fader placement/levels to make more appropriate use of dynamic range, reduce noise and avoid distortion and clipping. Some of the instruments/parts sound as if they were recorded 'hot' and that then exacerbates gainstaging issues. I think you're falling in to the trap of trying to get the 2bus to the same level as a mastered CD. Mixing is not mastering and you should as a minimum keep the two stages separate and not confuse them and ideally you shouldn't master your own material. The track, at least to me, sounds 'digital' and rather over processed. At times the keys sound thin and lacking in depth, the cymbals similarly have a digital type sheen and at times glare a little, the piano lacks body and depth. The digital quality becomes exacerbated as instruments and effects are added and the tune ends up sounding more sterile than musical. The bass end dominates too much and results in an odd audio spectrum. Bass notes are boomy, have a tendency to ring on and wallow about. High mid and highs sometimes sound harsh, brittle and there is a lack of air and sheen. Low mid is muddy and a tad congested. The tonality, levels and balance of the different instruments/parts are not consistent. Reverb choices seem odd at times and exacerbate the bass issues. Fade out is odd. Soundstage could have more width and there is not much sense of depth, so the tune sounds 2 dimensional. Sorry if that all sounds very negative. As I mentioned at the beginning the mix isn't bad for a home/project studio and the majority of the issues tend to be true for most of them as well. Would proper monitors help? Probably but you should also allow for some room treatment as well and keep in mind that studio 2 way monitors often don't reproduce the bass end particularly well either. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Dec 18 2013, 03:18 AM
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Hi Tony,
Thank you very much for the feedback. I decided to start fresh with the mix, and things are sounding a lot better now. Thanks again. |
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Dec 18 2013, 01:08 PM
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As usuall some pro support from Tony. He pointed out things that are essential - no matter what kind of tone You prefer.
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Dec 18 2013, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 18 2013, 12:20 PM) what is gainstaging and what would you suggest over the 2 way monitor Gainstaging is how you manage the signal levels to minimise noise and distortion. Many people who have grown up only using DAWs don't seem to understand gainstaging at all, or think that it doesn't apply in digital. Consequently lots mix too hot and over rely on theirthe daws peak meters. It also doesn't help that some vts are not good at handling a hot signal and so can go in to overload very easily and potenitally witout you knowing. In addition some vsti's are designed pretty hot to start with and so any additional processing that you add can push it in to distortion very quickly. What I'd suggest other than 2 ways - 3 way large box like ours here . That though is expensive and needs quite a large room. Most people can't do that so have to go with 2 way. If you stay with 2 ways then you will not get much bass from a driver that is less than 7'' or 8''. So for those at 6'' or less you may well need a matched sub. 2 ways below about $1500 also tend to be ported designs but the ports of these tend to introduce issues and the 'cure' is often worse than the 'illness'. So below $1500 you may be beter off with a closed design and either accept less bass or add a matched sub. QUOTE (Taka Perry @ Dec 18 2013, 03:18 AM) Hi Tony, Thank you very much for the feedback. I decided to start fresh with the mix, and things are sounding a lot better now. Thanks again. No probs Taka. When you do the mix focus a bit on your gainstaging. Try to aim for individual channels peaking at -18 to -12dBFS withthe loudest track at about -10. Set the initial gain at the head of each channel not downstream. -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Dec 18 2013, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Dec 18 2013, 01:32 PM) Gainstaging is how you manage the signal levels to minimise noise and distortion. Many people who have grown up only using DAWs don't seem to understand gainstaging at all, or think that it doesn't apply in digital. Consequently lots mix too hot and over rely on theirthe daws peak meters. It also doesn't help that some vts are not good at handling a hot signal and so can go in to overload very easily and potenitally witout you knowing. In addition some vsti's are designed pretty hot to start with and so any additional processing that you add can push it in to distortion very quickly. What I'd suggest other than 2 ways - 3 way large box like ours here . That though is expensive and needs quite a large room. Most people can't do that so have to go with 2 way. If you stay with 2 ways then you will not get much bass from a driver that is less than 7'' or 8''. So for those at 6'' or less you may well need a matched sub. 2 ways below about $1500 also tend to be ported designs but the ports of these tend to introduce issues and the 'cure' is often worse than the 'illness'. So below $1500 you may be beter off with a closed design and either accept less bass or add a matched sub. No probs Taka. When you do the mix focus a bit on your gainstaging. Try to aim for individual channels peaking at -18 to -12dBFS withthe loudest track at about -10. Set the initial gain at the head of each channel not downstream. so do I want to record the guitar track hot without clipping but than in mixing bring it down to the above levels |
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