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Nov 11 2007, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE (chast @ Nov 11 2007, 04:37 PM)  I think, thats a good idea  I guess you get a great fretboard freedom if you practice scales like that. Its gonna take some time, but it is worth the time. I will try it, thanks Iluha  This idea is even better than that - at some stage we all need to break out of the boxes (if we learned that way in the first place) and learning scales this way will achieve just that and lead you towards a total view of the fretboard, one that isn't limited by boxes. This will also help you with 3 note per string scales, as these will fall very naturally out of your method The reason that most people don't do it this way is that it is very much harder than learning boxes - a box is a relatively easy way to learning a complete scale and being able to play tunes with it in a short period of time. Your grander scheme will be short on results for a longer time but at the end of it you will have a far better understanding of the fretboard and scales in general, and no predisposition to play in boxes. All in all, a great post Iluha! This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Nov 11 2007, 10:50 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Nov 12 2007, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE (Iluha @ Nov 12 2007, 01:29 AM) Really? well I didn't expect this to be a "never before used" idea, but I did think of it on my own, and if Satch recommends than I guess it shows it works I think it's great that you've thought up a different way of thinking about learning scales. I can't find the correct Satriani video, but I've found a couple of references that show Satch's influence on this style of learning scales. Check out the articles at http://www.ibreathemusic.com/article/147/1 and also the Nov 17 2005 post from a guy called Drew on a Satch forum at http://satrianiforum.com/ar/t1176.htm These articles talk about boxes, single strings and ways to combine the two approaches. I think any learning technique that leads to the fluid playing of scales is worth investigating. -------------------- QUOTE If you think you can, you can. And if you think you can't, you're right. |
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Nov 12 2007, 03:31 AM
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QUOTE (Resurrection @ Nov 12 2007, 04:01 AM) I think it's great that you've thought up a different way of thinking about learning scales. I can't find the correct Satriani video, but I've found a couple of references that show Satch's influence on this style of learning scales. Check out the articles at http://www.ibreathemusic.com/article/147/1 and also the Nov 17 2005 post from a guy called Drew on a Satch forum at http://satrianiforum.com/ar/t1176.htm These articles talk about boxes, single strings and ways to combine the two approaches. I think any learning technique that leads to the fluid playing of scales is worth investigating. Yup those sources relate and expand on what I presented here, this gets me more and more motivated to drop something off my current practice list and add a scale to try learn this way, thanks for those links Res
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Nov 12 2007, 04:19 AM
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I have to (respectfully) disagree; at the end of Iluhas quest he will have leapfrogged boxes and moved beyond them, he won't be tied down to thinking in specific areas of the fretboard, the whole fretboard will be open to him. That's where we should all aim to get to in the end.
However, your point #1 is a good one - learning the key signatures thoroughly is a very worthwhile exercise! This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Nov 12 2007, 04:20 AM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Nov 12 2007, 04:30 AM
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Its interesting - most people learn the boxes, but some lucky people are taught in ways more similar to this. If they work hard they wil be ahead of the game earlier in their learning cycle. I remember discussing this with Ben Howell one time - he says he was never taught boxes and doesn't see the point, and he's right of you take the long view, its just a lot harder to get there initially that way, but the flip side is that box learners need to make a painful transition to a box-free view of things or they will be stuck at a particular point of theor development.
I have a lesson planned around this (its in my index but I haven't written it yet) and Kris has a couple of lessons based around breaking out of boxes. This wouldn't be necessary with Iluhas methodolgy. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Nov 12 2007, 04:49 AM
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QUOTE (dimeisgod @ Nov 11 2007, 10:46 PM) i think that when someone says "scale" you should immediately think of the notes of the given scale and its sound, that is so much more musical than the boxes.. Definitely! Boxes are useful because they get you to where you are going quickly, thats all. They are bite sized ways of learning the overall scale and can be very effective for beginners and intermediate players. But as you point out, the end game is that you are thinking at a musical level, more about the sound of the scale and its function, than the actual patterns you use to reproduce it. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Nov 13 2007, 04:33 AM
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QUOTE (Wyvernx @ Nov 12 2007, 09:48 PM) I thought we were supposed to memorize shapes, or are they the same as boxes? well I'll try to do this as well, the more ways of learning something, the most likely you'll get it. Yes - memorize patterns. Patterns are the form that a scale takes on the fretboard. They could be boxes, or they could be up and down the whole string as Iluha says. However you make up a pattern, it is always the case that you can move it up and down to change key. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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