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Posted by: sigma7 Apr 17 2008, 05:58 PM

everytime i noodle and try to make a solo i always improvise. The problem is that my improvs come out bluesy when I want metal. NEED HELP!!!!

Posted by: Pi38 Apr 17 2008, 06:00 PM

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe try coming up with a solo in your head, and then play that, rather then doing it all on the spot.

Posted by: Darfuria Apr 17 2008, 06:06 PM

Learn a non-bluesy scale

Posted by: Mark. Apr 17 2008, 06:08 PM

Practice metal solo's from bands you like and try using these licks in your own playing!
Once you know enough licks, you'll start making up your own and before you know it you have your own metal solo

Mark.

Posted by: coffeeman Apr 17 2008, 06:10 PM

Use a minor scale or the harmonic minor, and tell us how it went. Search for lessons on metal soloing there are a lot from Gabriel, Trond, Marcus, Muris, Jerry.

Posted by: sigma7 Apr 17 2008, 06:17 PM

i tried using the c harmonic minor and i see what you mean. it is less poppy/bleusy and more darker like i wanted it. Haven't been able to put a big solo together but the notes are deep, like neoclassical. Thanks a lot guys.

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Apr 17 2008, 09:22 PM

you have to run with the rythem thats mean to convert the bluesy to metall or hard rock also you can use minors
scales and go throw them i think it will help you

Posted by: Fsgdjv Apr 17 2008, 09:32 PM

My tip would be as boring as advicing you to not give up on the pentatonic scale. Yes, try some other scales, but pentatonic metal solos are really good aswell, you can play it without it sounding super bluesy. Try to use the pentatonic scale as some kind of "base" and then add some notes form the natural minor scale sometimes, but mostly pentatonic. That usually sounds really cool.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 17 2008, 10:29 PM

Must learn natural minor and harmonic minor well, and most important - how is their relationship with chords in the key. Choosing the right set of notes/patterns and throwing in some licks over a given progression is a hard job let me tell ya, specially if you need to do it live and improvising. So I recommend you first learn a few good solos, and compose some of your own.

Posted by: MickeM Apr 17 2008, 10:57 PM

That's good advise!

Don't expect to be able to improve godlike unless you first practise hard. Too often improvisation will just be repeating of the same ol same ol riffs. Learn new ones, slow, the more riffs you got in your brain music riff library the more you can apply in an instant and get from brain -> fingers.

Improvisation just means to repeat stuff you already master, in different variation and in different order.

Study hard first!