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Jun 17 2017, 10:36 PM
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I thought ice was melting , thats not what NASA says https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-s...ter-than-losses
chip , chip , chip This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Jun 17 2017, 10:39 PM |
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Jun 18 2017, 03:13 AM |
Well, there is this paragraph in your own link ...
“We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas.” Zwally added that his team “measured small height changes over large areas, as well as the large changes observed over smaller areas.” And this one ... But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.” The disagreement is the location of the melt and the time line and though that particular paper was 'posted' on line in 2015 with an update in 2016 - the data is from the period of 1992 to 2008. That main increase recorded is from 1992 to 2001 with the net gain slowing from '03 to '08. But ice melt and sea level rise is not only about Antarctica. Here are some more current NASA sea data sheets. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/2...ther-record-low https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-s...antarctic-gains As of March 22nd, 2017: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/s...s-at-both-poles The Arctic ice is at it's lowest in the 38 years since they've been doing satellite mapping. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/03/...-at-record-low/ And then there's Greenland ... https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/09/gree...ou-should-care/ http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/gre...enland-meltdown Nothing contradictory here. The papers detail different areas of the globe over varying time periods. There are discrepancies and disagreements about how much, exactly where and how long but not about the fact that it is happening and that it's getting worse and hence becoming potentially more difficult to abate. Good science is about constantly tweaking the effects and outcome with the acquisition of new data. It's like playing guitar. You learn a new technique or concept and you apply it to the other things you already know ... and you get better. Theoretically. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 18 2017, 07:33 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 18 2017, 01:27 PM
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[i]But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and but it "might " is not science , not enough to keep third world nations poor because of our need to police the world , IMOGood science is about constantly tweaking the effects and outcome with the acquisition of new data. It's like playing guitar. You learn a new technique or concept and you apply it to the other things you already know ... and you get better. Theoretically. I agree , it just seems everyone says the debate is over , and with every bit of new data , saying its over would lead me to believe a person would bias the new data to reach their conclusion . But ice melt and sea level rise is not only about Antarctica. question . What is the optimal ice sheet level for planet earth ?Here are some more current NASA sea data sheets. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/2...ther-record-low https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/nasa-s...antarctic-gains As of March 22nd, 2017: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/s...s-at-both-poles The Arctic ice is at it's lowest in the 38 years since they've been doing satellite mapping. http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2017/03/...-at-record-low/ |
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Jun 19 2017, 01:49 AM |
It looks like CRSN sort of answered the why. He basically said that the minority scientific view moved him. Hmm. Really? I guess the follow up is, what about the minority scientific view moved you to agree? Reading back through the threads, the very things you referenced seemed quite thin in terms of their support for your side of the argument. Indeed, I remember pointing out one of them actually completely discounted your argument and I quoted from the article you provided. You do seem simply attached to this idea on a very personal level for some reason, and that's what is the most baffling. That's what I'm really curious about. What it is about agreeing with the scientific consensus that concerns you?
You mention, poverty. How does agreeing that climate change is real and wrecking the planet equate to putting people in poverty? Is it the fear of govt money going toward this and not toward something else? What lies at the very root of your attraction to the minority view on this? Can we at least all accept that you hold the minority view in scientific terms? If we can't agree on terms, it's tough to agree on anything. Todd I thought ice was melting , thats not what NASA says https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-s...ter-than-losses chip , chip , chip . Hopefully we can get to the bottom of at least this question Todd Jstcrsn - even if you don't agree with science about climate change (which you're entitled to) - what's your incentive to argue?
It's not like greenhouse gas emission makes anybody happier anyway? This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jun 19 2017, 01:57 AM |
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Jun 20 2017, 03:53 AM
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So then is it really just an article of faith with you? A simple belief that the folks who think the way you think on this issue must be right because they all roughly agree on many things you happen to agree with that sorta line up with a roughly "Right" leaning thought process and agenda? It's not really about facts, or consensus. For you its' just a suspect proposition that somehow smacks of folks wanting to raise taxes, soak up federal funding, and kill jobs basically? no, it's science as well . you did not think I could find 3 peer reviewed papers arguing against climate alarmist , I found 500 peer reviewed which you dismissed . o here is a new article stating there have been over 1000 peer reviewed papers in the last three years that alarmists are just that , http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/01/04/100...astrophysicist/ Here is list on Wikipedia signed scientist ( with their credential and some accomplishments ) that disagree with your assessment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scien..._global_warming and a forbes article stating more than half of scientists skeptical of global warming crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scien..._global_warming chip , chip , chip This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Jun 20 2017, 11:56 AM |
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Jun 20 2017, 10:14 PM |
With all due respect, none of the rhetoric here or in the linked to studies is remotely fascist, regardless of how far right or left it may come from. Fascist and communist is WAY over used vernacular these days. Especially by folks who know absolutely nothing about fascism or communism. Any of the older Europeans here can tell you a little bit about it, especially the Poles, Romanians, Czechs, Serbs, etc. Ask Mertay what it's like currently in Turkey.
Americans throwing those terms around ... we sound like morons. Also, this particular thread is a 'troll' thread and I'm both a fucking idiot and yet complicit for even engaging in it. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 20 2017, 11:27 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 21 2017, 06:47 PM |
Also, this particular thread is a 'troll' thread and I'm both a fucking idiot and yet complicit for even engaging in it. Replying to a troll is like wrestling a pig. The pig gets enjoyment from it, but all you get is dirty. The worst part is: your reply encourages more threads like this. -------------------- Cyber-industrial music and video animations:
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