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Posted by: Phil66 Feb 22 2021, 09:59 PM

Well this evening I went to get my Bill Gates Tracking Chip installed, AKA the Covid19 vaccine. I had a choice of the Oxford or the Pfizer and went for Pfizer.

At the moment no side effects, not even a sore arm, I've heard more people say that they felt rough after the Oxford one than the Pfizer.

Anyone else had their first one yet?

Stay safe folks.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Feb 22 2021, 10:13 PM

I'm in one of the last rounds out of 12 rounds here, I think, so still a long wait

Posted by: Mertay Feb 22 2021, 10:42 PM

My parents got their first shot today, a Chinese vaccine is used here.

My mom has a bunch of allergies (cause of that they made her wait in the hospital almost an hour in case anything bad happens) but thankfully no issues till now. They say that the 2.nd shot is the one that really produces the antibodies so I hope 1 month later that will go smooth as well.

Here the order is by age(aside health workers, disabled etc. they got the first row). Currently down to 65 but if the husband/wife is older than 60 they get a shot too since they live together. But as the age will decrease so does the number of people increase thats why I'm not optimistic on getting my shot likely till after summer.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Feb 23 2021, 02:11 AM

Glad you were able to get it! Here in the states, its' just people 65 and older and front line health workers. The huge winter storms that shut down the middle of the country didn't help things. Some of the vaccine that was in the super cold refridge units went bad evidently. Millions of people were without power or heat or water.

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 23 2021, 05:50 AM

Lol tracking chip. They opened up a new tier here in Alaska, or maybe they just added to the 1st tier. We are ahead of the curve up here as far as percentage of population vaccinated. Ranked 1st in the country.
New groups included are.
People 50 and over with a high risk medical condition, which for me, is cancer. I'll try to get that scheduled this week.
Also included in this group are.
People 50 years and over who are an essential worker and must work within 6 feet of others.
PreK–12 and child care education staff.
Most health care workers.
People living or working in congregate settings.
My folks will get their 2nd shot this week. Neither one of them had a negative reaction to the 1st shot. So far, so good.
I lost a former bandmate, longtime, and good friend to Covid last month, he was 63 and had some underlying health issues that contributed to his death. That was a shocker and hit me pretty hard.

Posted by: Phil66 Feb 23 2021, 06:18 AM

Sorry to hear about your friend, stay strong buddy and stay safe.

Posted by: AK Rich Feb 23 2021, 06:23 AM

Thanks, Phil. I'll do that. And you as well.

Posted by: PosterBoy Mar 2 2021, 11:26 AM

My mum and sister have had their 1st shots.

I don't think I'll be scheduled until probably September

Posted by: AK Rich Mar 10 2021, 08:14 AM

Update: Alaska, the state were I live just opened eligibility for the Covid vaccine to anyone 16 years of age and up.
https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2021/03/10/watch-live-covid-19-vaccine-available-to-all-alaskans/

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 11 2021, 02:17 AM

Very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Here it's still 65 and older and teachers/doctors/etc. My aunt and uncle have had one shot each of the double. The rest of us are waiting. Hopefully it will be soon. Lots of old folks in florida as that's the state folks go to after they retire so it was an "at risk" state but so far the bill gates chip is rolling out well


In Brazil, the president said the vaccine could turn you in to a gator. so some folks were slow to try it. There is still resistance to it all around the world.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 11 2021, 01:43 PM

I think we've only got about 3.7% of people vaccinated here. It's gonna be a long time!

Posted by: Mertay Mar 11 2021, 01:56 PM

I'm happy to see people didn't go all "anti-vaccine" around the world despite internet miss-information.

I read that with the first dose, anti-body producing has very low chance (lesser than 50%) so those who had their first shot shouldn't relax. And even after the second shot mutated viruses still carry a risk.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 11 2021, 02:15 PM

3.1% here! It's also gonna to be long. I hope that my Grandma and parents receive get it soon.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 11 2021, 02:38 PM

I hope the same for my parents. My mom is 69 and my dad is 72. They are in good health, but they are getting older of course.

Posted by: klasaine Mar 11 2021, 03:20 PM

My folks have gotten both doses of the Pfizer vacc.
They're both 88 years old.
Zero side effects. Barely even a sore arm.
Onward.

Posted by: Mertay Mar 22 2021, 04:38 PM

My parents got their second shot today.

About a week ago after my brothers wedding my mom had an allergic reaction (nothing serious). And till last week it happened 2 more times, despite staying away from stuff she knows she's allergic to.

We figured it is due to antibody building which I guess started after 3 weeks of the first shot, so for a short while from now on she's going to consume basic stuff like salad, rice, non-tropic fruits etc.

But news from Brazil on the other hand is worrying. They're out of vaccine supply which is terrible but the worst is the mutated virus seems to be hitting harder. A hostital doctor from there said 60% of their patients were between 30 to 50 years old.

I was sure this year the nightmare won't end but hearing this seems I won't have a piece of mind either.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 22 2021, 04:58 PM

That's really scary Mertay. I've heard about Brazil's mutation. This are really sad news.

The only positive new that I had is that my grandma received her first dosis. She'll get the second one the next month.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 22 2021, 06:02 PM

I've got a text today saying I can book a time for the vaccines. Due to health situation I get to jump up in the line a bit. I'll be getting the Pfizer vaccine on the 12th of April and the second shot on the 6th of May. I hope for the best!

Posted by: AK Rich Mar 25 2021, 02:13 AM

My folks have had both of their shots now with only very mild reactions. Stacie and I had our 1st round last week. Both of our arms were really sore for about a day and a half and I felt a little off for that same time. After that we were fine. We all had the Pfizer vaccine.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 25 2021, 02:56 AM

The sooner we can go back to normal the better Even as kind of an extreme introvert I'm starting to get a bit sick of it all!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 25 2021, 04:49 PM

I also enjoyed the lockdown thing... but I have the same feeling now. Can't wait to get back to normal.

It seems that my brother has Covid. My band Ramen is now 3/4, I'm the only one who didn't get the virus.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 26 2021, 01:13 AM

Very sorry to hear your brother has covid and sad to hear you band got it as well!! We have had more of it in the USA than just about anywhere else sadly. I've managed to avoid it so far as have my remaining family. Also I did get the first shot of my "tracking chip" it's the moderna which needs two shot. My prayers go out to you and your band!!

Posted by: Mertay Mar 26 2021, 01:07 PM

We're all going to catch it eventually but can only hope it won't be painful.

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 26 2021, 01:35 PM

Sorry to hear about your brother Gab, I knew the drummer had covid some time ago but I didn't know about singer. Has the singer got through it yet?

Hopefully they will get through it, most people of your age group survive. Stay extra safe buddy. I haven't been into my mom's apartment since last March, I meet her outdoors, weather permitting and we walk around the park next to her block.






Hopefully the vaccine will help many many people survive.


Stay super safe folks. I treat everyone I meet as though they are infected, any parcels are put into my garage for at least four hours if cardboard wrapped, and then only the box is opened and then hands washed before removing the contents. Depending on the day of dispatch the contents could then be left for up to three days, or opened and the contents within that inner packaging are slid out and not touched until hands are washed again. Extreme? Maybe, but this thing is an invisible killer.

Stay extra safe folks.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 26 2021, 02:14 PM

The singer is having some hard times. It's not risky but the symptoms have been very strong. My brother had a softer experience, two days with fever and now he is getting better.




Well done! I hope that you can get back to her apartment and have a great time soon.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 27 2021, 05:45 AM

I started having brief blackouts for about 3 days after my first shot. It was odd. Brain would shut off in mid sentence and I didn't know it was happening. Evidently some folks have odd reactions to various versions of it.

Sadly, it is looking like we may have to get a NEW COVID SHOT EVERY YEAR FROM NOW ON. Yup, forever and ever just like the flu shot.

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 27 2021, 02:06 PM

You okay now buddy?

Here they're saying we will have to have a booster this winter and possibly having a sit every six months.

Posted by: Mertay Mar 27 2021, 02:12 PM

I read last week a study in Denmark, people who went through covid still had an average 87% of their antibodies remaining after 8-9 months. This is good news as with the vaccines their protective period might surpass 6 months to even 9 or more.

It's still new so my guess is probably after summer it will be clear how often we'll have to get vaccinated.

Posted by: klasaine Mar 27 2021, 06:34 PM

My wife had her second shot two days ago (community college prof).
Slight ill affects but nothing debilitating: headache, low grade fever, a little nausea.
Hasn't stopped her from doing anything.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 27 2021, 08:25 PM

All good now Evidently folks react differently to different versions of it. I had the Moderna. some folks have no side effects at all. For most folks it's very mild if at all. Some states here are opening up to just about anyone. I'm glad to see that we are finally getting some traction with the vaccine. Finally!

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 27 2021, 09:02 PM

My wife had hers on Thursday morning, we were a little concerned because she had the AstraZeneca one which a lot of people report bad side effects for a couple of days but she's had none at all

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 29 2021, 04:40 AM

Very glad to hear she got the jab and that there were no side effects!! We have been seeing on the news that the UK has had a rough go with the new strain going around. There was a big lockdown going I think? is that over now?

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 29 2021, 07:34 AM

The first stage of lockdown easing is today. Still quite strict but a slight easing of rules.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 29 2021, 02:31 PM

Nice to read some good news here guys! We are a bit scared now in Argentina... the second wave is getting closer... our neighbor countries Brazil, Uruguay and Chile are living their worst days... We didn't have tourism since December but Argentinians could go everywhere and get back.

Now all the flights from Chile, México and Brazil are suspended since the las weekend. I hope that this helps to avoid the new mutations expand. (however they are already here)

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 31 2021, 09:54 AM

I have heard that BRAZIL is in a very bad way. The hospitals are all full, numbers are rising every day, new strains are killing people right and left, the inflation is killing the economy, etc. Very bad news.

Posted by: klasaine Mar 31 2021, 02:56 PM

The mutations are here too in the US and our infamous "Spring Break" is upon us. Lets see if we can avoid or minimize a 4th wave - ?

Posted by: AK Rich Apr 16 2021, 02:07 AM

Stacie and I got our 2nd vaccination today. So far we are both just feeling kind of tired, although Stacie said she felt a little dizzy for a moment. So far, so good.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 16 2021, 02:19 AM

Egad, please no not the fourth wave. I am hoping that is just news folks tryin to pump ratings. i keep seeing bits about it on the news and keep hoping it's all just hype. We have had enough. Surely folks will not just give up on safety and go nuts on spring break? Well, then again. Young people. they just might go nuts on spring break and we might have a bit surge up in cases. Uggh. Hoping for the best. I believe people are smart and can look out for themselves and each other. I have to believe that the world wants to take care of itself.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 17 2021, 10:21 PM

Still feeling a bit awful after my second shot. I don't remember the first one being quite this bad. It's only been a couple of days so I'm sure it will smooth out. Bit of fever, bit of chills, headache body ache. uggh.

Posted by: AK Rich Apr 18 2021, 07:36 PM

Update after vaccinations. Our nurse informed us when we went in, that in most cases the reactions are worse after the 2nd vaccination and that was the case for Stacie and I. On the day after, we both experienced tiredness, body aches and occasional nausea and our arms were sore again. My reactions were fairly mild but it was worse for Stacie. Her arm was more sore than after the first shot and was a bit bruised looking and slightly swollen and she stayed in bed for most of the day due to the other symptoms. We both still felt a bit run down and achy with occasional nausea on the 2nd day after the shots but were feeling better overall, and by the 3rd day (today) we are pretty much back to normal, although Stacie's arm is still just a bit sore.
To help with the reactions to the vaccinations, our nurse told us to be sure and drink plenty of water afterwards.

Posted by: Mertay Apr 18 2021, 07:53 PM

I read this today; https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/01/health/covid-vaccine-side-effects/index.html

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 19 2021, 04:00 AM

I am finding this out to be true the hard way I thought it would be about the same for both shots but no it's worse on the second for me at least. My sister seems to be doing better. Both of us have covid arm (pain/swelling) but I'm a bit more achey and brain fogged. Should ease up now it's been 3 days. i have not heard of it lasting more than a few days. some great advice from mertay and connection with migranes which I had not even thought about.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 6 2021, 10:54 PM

Got my second shot today, and I've been feeling somewhat tired and drowsy, but I can't tell if it's because of the vaccine or just a general thing

Posted by: Phil66 May 6 2021, 11:00 PM

I've got my second Jan on 13th May

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 7 2021, 03:47 AM

It was a rough one for me. Some folks get more side effects. Just rest a bit til you feel better

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 7 2021, 03:51 AM

Took a 4 hour nap, then a shower and I'm feeling a lot better now. Less tired

Posted by: Mertay May 7 2021, 10:58 AM

Not only EU and USA but China and Russia too almost suddenly dropped their vaccine supply distribution 1-2 weeks ago around the world and slowly gaining criticism.

My guess is they foresaw a "spring wave" which happened last year and took the step of preventing it by keeping supply to themselves. As a result we see a huge increase in Asia (specially India is a nightmare) and things not getting any better in South America (and no one speaks of Africa...) despite summer is nearing and people are more outdoors right now.

But specially after June (when EU, USA etc. nears 70% vaccination) finally a "Global" battle against Covid will begin, also around Fall other countries will start making their own vaccines.

The only risk left is mutations as we know for example no current vaccine is effective against the South African variant and there's a lot of unknowns about the dual-mutated India'n variant. So depending on the mutations we'll see how much we can go back to normal on the long run.

Posted by: AK Rich May 7 2021, 08:35 PM

I think that may be old news. What I have read in recent news contradicts the claim that no vaccine is effective against the S.African variant and that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are only slightly less effective in recent studies except for in RARE cases where they are not effective.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01222-5

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-variants.html

https://www.biospace.com/article/pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-vaccines-effective-against-variants-and-more-covid-19-news/

Also, Moderna has a revised vaccine that targets the S.African variant and is also effective against the Brazilian variant.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-variants/

Posted by: Mertay May 7 2021, 09:19 PM

I have hope on revisions for mutations but that will take time. Mean while despite supporting vaccination, sometimes I feel because some people spread false bad word that damages the efforts, some may spread overly good to compensate those... for example Russia and China are known to not report some side-effects as recently proven by EU tests, which doesn't mean EU companies are an open book...

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 11 2021, 04:12 AM

We are not out of the woods yet. CDC still has restrictions on just about everything but it's way better than it was in most places. However, BRAZIL is still in a very bad way and INDIA is on the brink of collapse. It's places like this where covid runs rampant and we are likely to get variants that we are not ready for. Our governer lifted the mask mandate for florida sadly. I still wear mind in public.

Posted by: Mertay May 11 2021, 02:53 PM

People living in the poorer areas in India cannot find wood to cremate their loved ones anymore, so bodies started to appear (about 100 currently) on the Ganges river...

Posted by: Phil66 May 13 2021, 04:58 PM

It is a very tragic situation over there

Just had my second jab, let's how I sail through it like the last one.

Posted by: klasaine May 13 2021, 06:49 PM

I'm done with both now (Pfizer).
No real issues. I had a headache after the second one for a day and a half.

Posted by: Phil66 May 13 2021, 07:56 PM

I had a headache for a day and a half before mine All work-related stress though, let's see what happens

Posted by: jstcrsn May 13 2021, 10:28 PM

well ,for what it is worth the CDC says fully vaccinated people don't need masks

Posted by: Mertay May 13 2021, 10:47 PM

I have relatives getting sick despite being vaccinated, a while later their 2nd shot. Wife had it very light but the husband stayed in bed, was told he suffered a bit but not bad enough to be hospitalized (men are know to have it worse, specially if testosterone level is high). The husband got it from his assistant.

Though not high alert like we used to, its still a good idea to keep some distance to people and not enter closed+crowded spaces if we don't have to. Personally, I'll only totally relax when an effective medicine will be developed.

Edit:

PS; Likely because I live in a 3rd world country and don't trust the government, the moment I read that new mask rule thought it was for subliminally convincing non-vaccers to vaccinate...

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 14 2021, 05:03 AM

It's still possible to get sick even after the two week period of your second shot. It's certainly possible to get sick just before or just after the second shot. however, some people are getting bad symptoms right after the second shot almost as if they were ill. the good news is, in those cases, it's just symptoms from the vaccination, it's not actually the illness.

It sounds like some folks you know got sick before being fully vaxed? I sure felt like I'd gotten covid but the doctor told me to just relax and give it a week tops. So that's what I did. Hit me like a train.

Posted by: Mertay May 14 2021, 08:50 AM

The % efficiencies of vaccines aren't solid numbers cause most when that % was measured not many mutations were around. Sinovac for example when first measured had only 50% in one country but recently got %97 from another.

I see it more like solution for zeroing deaths/hospitalizations rather than complete protection, and its the hospitalizations (blockage of health system) where governments were afraid of.

Edit; By the way, my comments doesn't suggest any negativity to vaccination.

Actually because covid will be something like the common cold (common but not very dangerous) hopefully someday cause of these vaccines, non-vaccer's are in bigger danger than ever the more things normalize until medication can be found for a real cure.

Posted by: Phil66 May 14 2021, 09:32 AM

Well all I have is that my shoulder feels like it's been hit by Mike Tyson, the woman did force the juice in a lot quicker than the last time though, I felt it surging in under pressure, maybe that's caused a bit of local trauma.

Feel fine otherwise

Posted by: jstcrsn May 14 2021, 02:05 PM

so this is my issue , so now we don't trust the science. This is why I can not get it yet. The science says one thing everybody gets the shot, then the science says another and everyone says I'm leaving my mask on. Funny how I get called a 'science denier' which I can handle, but for now I am just never gonna believe the government

Posted by: Mertay May 14 2021, 02:45 PM

My cousin a few years ago when her wife expected a baby got a flue shot, despite that got the flue but was a minor one.

Here is the dilemma; Would he have sharked away the flue easily even if he didn't get the shot, or did he prevent a feverish bad one+ not spreading it to his wife with the shot...we can't prove this by self observation/experience.

Here we have a total of 4 different vaccines, I'm thinking about not getting a Chinese/Russian one cause I'm not convinced (yet) by their data. But will get the Biontech one as soon as I can cause I can't afford to stay at home for another year and knowing myself (rather social, using public transportation, skinny build, smoker...) will likely get Covid on my normal routine and might be painful.

Maybe if I had the option to stay at home for another year would wait to see if better vaccine's/medicine would be released but no option of self conviction is ideal in this covid scenario, I'm just trying to find the least worst/regrettable one for myself.

Posted by: jstcrsn May 14 2021, 03:19 PM

the Flu vac had years of testing and years of studied side effects and re engineering

Posted by: Mertay May 14 2021, 04:09 PM

Actually they change it every year.

Flue has like 150 something variants of it and they can only cover like 10-15 with one shot, so they try to foresee which variants will be spread most that year (can depend on the continent) and keep changing the formula. Covid might be like this too in the future so thats why I'd like to see medical solutions to it as quick as possible.

Posted by: jstcrsn May 14 2021, 06:31 PM

yes they engineer it for what they perceive next years biggest "form" if you will , but that does not negate the testing for side effects/reactions that the Covid shot simply has not had

Posted by: liveOASISforever May 14 2021, 06:49 PM

A was supposed to get mine a few weeks back now. Never went for it. Probably wont ever get it. I respect everyone's choice whether to get it or not but personally I have never went for any vaccines and never will.

Posted by: klasaine May 14 2021, 07:20 PM

I have cousin who's 15 years older than me. He walks with a limp and has a compromised pulmonary system ... Polio.
Certainly, by all means - your choice/my choice.

Posted by: jstcrsn May 14 2021, 07:25 PM

no problem with that at all, My dad got it

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 14 2021, 07:28 PM

Yup! Science has made great strides to help fix a lot of bad things and diseases. Science is ever evolving and changing, as that is the very nature of science. Learn, get better, get better knowledge. Could we afford to wait more years for the vaccine? Probably not. Already 6 to 15 times as many deaths as the flu causes yearly world wide, from what I looked at quickly. 250.000 deaths vs. 3.300.000. I don't think we can afford to wait and see what happens.

Then people will argue that Covid doesn't kill you. It's not what you die from, they say. Well, it sure as hell ain't helping you either. if that's the argument you could say a heart attack in itself doesn't kill you, it's the lack of oxygen to vital organs etc.

For me it's the unforseeable nature of it. It does not just hit old people, kill old people etc. I have read about many cases where young healthy people get hit hard by it as well. It's that unforeseeable nature that scares me. I am in a risk group myself, but still relatively young. I don't feel like I can afford to risk it.

Posted by: AK Rich May 14 2021, 07:50 PM

I have never had a flu shot, and I never get the flu. I didn't want to take the chance with Covid since I am more vulnerable because of immunodeficiency due to cancer treatments. That being said, if I was healthy and younger, I would probably skip the vax myself since I would not be in a high risk category such as older people with comorbidities and the vast majority of people who get Covid get through it, (with some exceptions) which ends up being the same as being vaccinated from what the science is saying.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 14 2021, 07:53 PM

I do hear young and healthy people who's system shut down completely getting Covid though. People who would think they would not be affected by it. Of course it might less likely, but it does happen, and that's the scary thing for me. The unforeseeable aspect of it. It doesn't seem to 100% differentiate between young/old or healthy/risk. I've read lots about young people being greatly affected by it too.

Posted by: AK Rich May 14 2021, 07:58 PM

This is true. Young people have died from it but the % is very low. It's a gamble for sure. People can make their own choices and I'm not going to fault them one way or the other.
Hopefully people who choose to not get the vax can get through it if or when they become infected.

Posted by: liveOASISforever May 14 2021, 08:13 PM

Really sorry to hear that you have had to have cancer treatments. All the best to you Rich. A do believe everyone has different issues that make them more vulnerable to Covid and a completely understand that. Being told with my type 1 diabetes that I am to.

Dont get me wrong it does scare me with the thought of being in intensive care with a ventilator. A think more than often that it wont happen to me. Hopefully it doesnt come back and bite me.

Posted by: AK Rich May 14 2021, 08:21 PM

Thanks a lot, man. Look into it thoroughly and make the most informed decision that you can. Whatever choice you end up making if you haven't made a final decision yet, I wish you the very best of luck and do the best you can to stay safe.
PS: Also I wanted to say that I am sorry to hear about your diabetes. Sometimes people with diabetes can be their own worst enemies if you know what I mean. I have known a few people that suffered because they didn't manage it properly. Don't be that guy.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum May 14 2021, 08:24 PM

I was offered a vaccine due to health situations and being in a risk group, and I decided to accept it. It was the pfizer one. Haven't felt anything bad so far. Not a moment of pain, no nothing really. I doubt the tiredness I wrote about earlier was caused by that. I'm generally always tired

Posted by: jstcrsn May 15 2021, 01:44 AM

CDC says you no longer need to wear a life jacket out side in case of rain
https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-says-you-no-longer-have-to-wear-a-life-jacket-outside-in-case-of-rain

Posted by: AK Rich May 15 2021, 02:21 AM

🙃😄

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 15 2021, 03:09 AM

Another Govt Conspiracy exposed

Posted by: jstcrsn May 15 2021, 02:00 PM

, trying to give a little comedy relief on a heavy subject

Posted by: Todd Simpson May 16 2021, 01:51 AM

Laughter is the best medicine.

Posted by: Mertay May 31 2021, 12:05 PM

Bad news, the Indian varient is proven to be resilient.

PFIZER/BIONTECH vaccine is up to 6X less affective, this also goes for treatements.

Posted by: Phil66 May 31 2021, 05:57 PM

Don't know who to believe https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57214596

Posted by: Mertay May 31 2021, 07:05 PM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/05/30/world/pfizer-vaccine-indian-variant/

This is newer news it should be more clear in the following days but definitely a sign not to get too comfortable yet.

Posted by: Phil66 May 31 2021, 08:27 PM

I'm still being as careful as I was last year

I'm also interested to know, when they say "the Indian variant" they mean it was first discovered there BUT, does that mean the other countries that have the Indian variant have had it brought in from India OR is the variant in other countries and was only name after the country that first discovered it?

Does that make sense?

Posted by: Mertay May 31 2021, 08:53 PM

I didn't understand the second part of the question

Posted by: PosterBoy May 31 2021, 08:56 PM

I had my 1st Moderna shot today

Posted by: Phil66 May 31 2021, 09:25 PM

They say the Indian variant is called that because that's where it was first identified. Could that mean that other countries, for example the UK had the same variant that had mutated within the UK but hadn't been identified or have all Indian variants within the UK been brought in from India?

Posted by: Mertay May 31 2021, 11:17 PM

It's likely carried, they couldn't find any of the variants original source but its suspected (specially the Indian) was mutated in an animal then cought and spread by human.

Posted by: jstcrsn Jun 1 2021, 12:20 AM

I also heard it started (originally )in a lab in China

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 1 2021, 12:31 AM

Sadly the indian variant is proving resistant to vaccine. They are trying other methods now. It's more transmissable than the othe variants and evidently the effects are worse as well. It's very scary thing. Here is some news from Reuters. One of the few news sources I actually trust.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/india-covid-19-variant-exhibits-resistance-antibody-drug-shows-promise-2021-05-28/

From the bbc article phil shared

The Pfizer vaccine was found to be 88% effective at stopping symptomatic disease from the Indian variant two weeks after the second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent variant.

The AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective against the Indian variant, compared with 66% against the Kent variant.

Posted by: FreePizza Jun 1 2021, 05:23 PM

Received my first Moderna shot. Same thing, arm feels super bruised. Not sure when I'll get second shot because I think they are delayed here in Canada.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 1 2021, 07:53 PM

Glad you got the first one! Yeah I had "covid arm" as well. Don't make any plans after the second shot, some folks feel a bit ill for a few days.

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 2 2021, 01:58 AM

Should be 3 or 4 weeks when you can get a 2nd dose. If it's as long as 3 months or so, you have to start over. This is what I was told after my 1st jab. My arm was the same as yours after the 1st one.


88% effective is pretty damn good considering that some vaccines weren't even that good against the original strain.

Posted by: Mertay Jun 15 2021, 05:43 PM

First shot of biontech today.

Here they decreased the age limit radically fast these past 4-5 days, it was crowded cause the computer system they used was having issue's. Took me 1.5 hours from start to finish

Anyway, its been 9-10 hours since the shot and aside the needle left-over pain in my arm (can move it without a problem) I didn't experience any symptom as of yet...but I did eat and sleep well 2 days prior to the shot and mostly resting today like a sunday not even playing guitar.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 18 2021, 12:29 AM

Congrats on getting stabbed! I heard that Prez Biden was going to give away millions of shots to countries that needed them as we have so much extra supply that it's starting to go bad on the shelf. Millions of folks here are refusing to take the shot at all for fear of various conspiracy theories (tracking chip/infertility/etc.) so we have way more than we need. Sadly, having such a huge chunk refusing to get vaxed keeps us from reaching herd immunity as quick as we would have. Some states are giving out incentives to get folks to vax up.

Symptoms are worse for folks on the second shot but the first one should be fine

Posted by: Mertay Jun 18 2021, 02:33 PM

Thanks

I saw a few who got in-line then soon left after realizing the wait would be just too long, I also thought about that to be honest but since my house wasn't close decided to wait anyway. Who knows when/if those who left will return to get vacced.

EU brought travel restrictions internationally, these restrictions may get localized (like being able to use a public bus etc.) depending on the country. If the carrot doesn't work there's always the stick

Posted by: Mertay Jun 24 2021, 07:13 PM

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jun 24 2021, 07:20 PM

My take away from that is that it could just as easily (if not more often) happen if you have gotten covid than it will from the vaccine. About 1:23 in. At least according to those specialists.

I think I'm understanding that correctly.

Posted by: Mertay Jun 24 2021, 08:55 PM

Yes, more importantly though this Delta variation (by the way recently delta-plus emerged again from India, might be even worse) has become troublesome. Despite having a good vaccination rate, England still can't open and a spike has recently started even though its summer.

Here in Turkey though we don't need a local vaccine as they're outsourced, still there are vaccines being developed (one is at phase 3 now). The reason is incase a dominant mutation of covid arises where current vaccines doesn't work, then the world can respond faster to modify according to the mutation if needed to be. Many countries and firms are preparing themselves for this.

So the current vaccines work against current mutations but covid itself is getting more and more contagious/dangerous. This is why such small risks are worth taking. It's an easy to cure side-effect by the way.

...And no one should bet on herd immunity either, specially the un-vacc.ed. Newer mutations arrive from an under-vacced country in a matter of days and spreads in weeks as we see in the Delta example. Covid will only go away once the 3.rd world counties are also properly vacced.

Posted by: klasaine Jun 24 2021, 10:56 PM

Sadly the 'herd immunity' thing is totally misunderstood, both the how and why of it.
A community can't reach it until at least (conservatively) 75% of the population has immunity from either getting Covid or getting vaccinated.
For fast and easy spreading diseases like Measles - 95% of a population needs to have the antibodies. Polio - 85%.

It will either take YEARS or ... we may never get there(?).

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210414/faq-herd-immunity-and-covid-19#:~:text=Experts%20have%20estimated%20that%2070,learn%20about%20this%20disease.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/herd-immunity-and-covid-19

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 25 2021, 05:14 AM

I'm glad that we are rolling out vaccine and making progress on getting a handle on this thing. It could be going a bit better though. Still, there are places in the world like india that are so far from where we are now that it's hard not to be a little grateful for the progress so far. I do hope we get our vax numbers up in every state though.

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 25 2021, 05:49 PM

The thing is that we don't know how many people have immunity because they have already had covid but showed no or little sign of it and were never tested. So it's very possible that we are much closer to herd immunity in the US than we know, and as the articles you shared stated, we won't know untill positive tests and deaths numbers fall off to enough to show it. Also if you count the number of vaccinated and the number of people that we know have recovered from covid, we actually start to get pretty close even without the unknown variable. I am optimistic that herd immunity is closer than we know in this country but that doesn't really help us if we get a variant that is highly resistant to the current vaccines. So far this hasn't happened and hopefully it won't. Certainly, we need to get the countries that are behind in vaccination rates caught up.

Posted by: Mertay Jun 25 2021, 06:22 PM

Israel today brought back mask mandate when outside, they had only 10 covid positive per day but cause the new delta variant it jumped to 200... Israel has one of the highest vaccination rate (%60) so this shows we still have a long way to go.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 25 2021, 09:38 PM

Thats concerning to be sure. I keep hearing about the delta variant but also that our current vax should handle it. still, we do have millions of folks without their tracking chip installed here, so we could see a wave of delta infections. uggh.

Posted by: Mertay Jun 28 2021, 10:30 PM

Here we go;



But this matches my expectation of why having a vaccine. Media does represent the vaccine to be a tool to "magically" solve every problem to convince people having it...if they don't, it gets harder to explain why its (still) a good thing for them despite the risks.

My reality is we'll probably all catch this virus one day but not being hospitalized or having severe long term effects is what I hope for myself and everybody

Now the chaotic part is economy related by receiving this info. The world will try to foresee if we'll keep being an open economy or not and this will affect all of us (again).

Posted by: AK Rich Jun 30 2021, 02:45 AM

From what I understand, the Delta variant may be more contagious, but with a 99.9% recovery rate it's looking less deadly than the Alpha version according to data from the UK. The Delta variant currently has a case fatality rate of 0.1% which is actually much higher than what the actual death rate would be (infection fatality rate) since the vast majority of covid 19 cases go undetected.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 30 2021, 04:10 AM

Im very thankful to have had my 2 chips implanted and to see my country heading back to being more normal. Movies are showing and people are going. Fireworks are happening for the first time in quite a while this 4th of July. It's very positive overall I am sad to see India and other countries still fighting so hard to just stay ahead of this thing.

https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-american-pandemic?itm_content=footer-recirc

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 4 2021, 07:01 PM

First chip installed!!

I'm very happy that this day finally came.

Posted by: Mertay Jul 4 2021, 07:13 PM

Congrats Gab.

As a small update, I've decided to lay low on caffeine (coffee not too much but specially Coke). Not sure if its the abnormal summer heat for this season, made no exercise during lockdowns or the vaccine but my heat races a bit more easier than I remember.

Though not 100% sure but I suspect caffeine the most as the reason, we'll see if cutting back will make a difference.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 4 2021, 07:31 PM

Congrats Gab

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 4 2021, 10:58 PM

Cutting down on stimulants is always a good idea imho. If your heart keeps doing this (tachycardia) get to a doctor for an EKG just to be sure. It's not something you want to let slide. My father eventually passed away from a heart condition that went undetected for years.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 5 2021, 04:43 AM

Thanks guys! I'm not feeling very well today, so I had to stay in bed. They told me that maybe I wouldn't feel well for the next 2 days.

Did you feel bad after being vaccinated?

Posted by: AK Rich Jul 5 2021, 06:11 AM

Glad you are on your way to being vaccinated, Gabriel. I felt a bit crappy after my 2nd shot but not so bad that I didn't get out of bed. I know people who had flu like symptoms for a couple of days after the shot though. Hang in there, man. You'll be alright. 🙂

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 5 2021, 08:24 AM

After my first one I felt fine, zero side effects, couldn't even feel where the needle went in. After the second one I didn't feel ill but my deltoid felt like Tyson had bare knuckle punched it twenty times but that only lasted a day. I felt the shot go in, not the needle but the actual liquid, it was as though the woman forced it in too fast.

You'll be okay very soon buddy.

Posted by: Mertay Jul 5 2021, 02:11 PM

This is a good thing, your body reacted quickly to the vaccine and likely your immunity will be much higher than most on their first shot. Like, Phil, I didn't feel a thing on the first shot but expect that crappy feeling on the second

Even though you'll be on bed rest, eat well like healthy stuff that gives a lot of energy to you (like fish etc.) then I'm sure the process will be easier.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 5 2021, 04:08 PM

Thanks mate.




Oh! Let's see what happens with the second one... thanks Phil!



Nice to know this. I had not thought of it that way.

Posted by: PosterBoy Jul 5 2021, 04:41 PM

I had my 2nd Moderna shot on Friday morning

Was fine for the rest of the day and then during the night got hit like a bus with fever and flu symptoms.
Spent Saturday on the sofa, Sunday morning felt ok but a little tired and fragile by lunchtime I was fine.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 6 2021, 01:47 AM

I feel your pain Had the same thing happen to me after my second moderna shot. Thught I was actually getting covid but nope it was just symptoms from the shot. The good news is that most folks have no problems at all. sadly, some folks get really impacted by the second shot.

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Jul 6 2021, 02:16 AM

And of course you hear more about the ones that do feel it, naturally, and fair enough we gotta "fear" the possible side-effects and symptoms, but most probably don't have issues, such as me, but there's not really any reason for us to speak loudly about it, I suppose.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jul 8 2021, 12:31 AM

Well said!! Most folks have no issue at all. So we don't hear about most of them, "it was fine nothing to report" but we do hear about the rare cases of symptoms like I had. For the most part, people are just fine Even if there are symptoms, it's only a few days, and then it's fine.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 24 2021, 04:37 PM

One of my workers called yesterday after work and said he's positive. He's on a pilot scheme that has regular pcr tests. We've broken up for our annual two week summer sturdier so we've had to contact everyone and let them know, advising them all to take a test.

So far, so that have had a test are negative, myself included. As I'm out of town at my holiday home, I had to go into town to get some lateral flow tests. They gave us fourten each because we're here for two weeks which is odd as they only recommend doing it twice a week.

Wife is negative too. We'll do another test on Tuesday.

Posted by: FreePizza Jul 24 2021, 05:01 PM

Good to hear you guys are negative 👍. I just received my second Moderna dose yesterday at lunch so approximately 24 hours ago. Luckily so far, other than a slightly sore arm, I feel great. My wife was sick for two days.

Posted by: Phil66 Jul 24 2021, 05:08 PM

Thanks

Posted by: Mertay Aug 1 2021, 03:50 PM

Almost couldn't get my 2.nd shot, 1 vile is equal to 6 people and the 6th didn't come to the appointment

So the nurse called him/her and after took his promise he was on his way finally got the shot, waited more than an hour. It was in a hospital and they were drawing blood in the next room, with each kid crying in there it was unbearable.

2.nd shot was even less symtomatic than the first, almost not even a sore-arm. instead of 3 I went 6 weeks later for the 2.nd shot maybe thats why.

Posted by: Phil66 Aug 1 2021, 08:15 PM

Glad you got it mate

Posted by: Mertay Aug 2 2021, 12:28 AM

Thanks!

The numbers started to climb here too just like the rest of the world but personally feeling safe is great.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Aug 2 2021, 01:30 AM

super congrats on getting vaxed! My home state of Florida is now the new epicenter of covid in the USA sadly So im glad that im vaxed up as well ;0) We still have a lot of people who refuse to get vaxed though. The delta variant is as contagious as chicken pox evidently so it's spreading quickly through the unvaxed.

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 29 2022, 09:49 AM

My mom was due her 4th jab (2nd booster) very soon, she now has Covid, she tested positive on Sunday, (it was Mother's Day here). She is 83 (her birthday is Friday), she has many health issues including two inhalers for some lung condition that they can't determine, she suffers with suicidal depression and extreme anxiety, she's a strong woman and always joking (the mask of depression) and probably one of the most selfless human beings I know.

I can't do anything to help her as I can't go in to her apartment in a complex for older people, I can't risk it for my own or my wife's sake either. I feel helpless.

Fingers crossed it doesn't get any worse than it is now, she sounded terrible yesterday but still managed a joke and banned me from seeing her for at least two weeks just to be sure and even then she said she will only see me outside, weather permitting It's just a mother doing her thing

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 29 2022, 12:54 PM

I hope she'll be okay, Phil Let us know!

My mom (70) and her boyfriend (80) had covid, but they got through it just with severe influenza-symptoms for a day or two, and that was it. Seems the newer variant isn't as bad. My dad, 73, the same.

I haven't been hit yet, luckily.

Posted by: Phil66 Mar 29 2022, 01:08 PM

Thanks Ben,

I've just called her, she didn't sound as rough but said she just can't stop sleeping which isn't like her at all, she's a chronic insomniac, so fingers crossed she will be okay in a few days.

It's just a bit worrying because of her other conditions.

Cheers

Posted by: Caelumamittendum Mar 29 2022, 02:05 PM

My mom did say her and her boyfriend were very tired for a bit as well, but I think it cleared up again.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Mar 29 2022, 10:36 PM

Very sorry to hear this. I really hope she is ok. It's twice as hard since you can't visit for health reasons. She had all her shots and still got sick which i'm double sorry to hear. Now they are saying folks over 50 need a fourth shot/second booster. There is yet another variant going around that is managing to make folks sick despite being vaxed. Thus the second booster.

Stay strong my friend.

Todd

Posted by: Phil66 Apr 2 2022, 06:16 AM

Thanks Todd,

She is getting better now, just really really tired so hopefully a few more days will see her right.

Cheers

Posted by: jstcrsn Apr 2 2022, 02:03 PM

I am glad she is getting better , I can't imagine what it would be like not being able to visit my mom/ family in a time such as this . I and many members of my family got it and there was a doctor in our area just telling people to go catch it from someone since the variant was so mild and the natural immunities would far out way the boosters ability against reinfection I

Posted by: Phil66 Apr 2 2022, 03:29 PM

Thanks



It is killing some though, would be my luck to be one of those

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 4 2022, 02:14 AM

Glad to hear she is improving I'm set to get my fourth shot next week. I just saw on the news that the chinese have locked down a chunk of shanghai due to a small covid outbreak. I'm glad we don't have that kind of thing over here.

Posted by: Phil66 Apr 4 2022, 01:49 PM

My dad has it, 85 this coming Wednesday, smoker too. I work with him so I'll have to cover his machine work as well as doing my work. Crazy days at the moment.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Apr 4 2022, 11:30 PM

Very sorry to hear this. I will pray for your family. I Hope we can all get through this if we support each other

Posted by: AK Rich Apr 6 2022, 01:19 AM

I hope your folks can get through it without complications, Phil.

Posted by: Phil66 Apr 6 2022, 05:18 AM

Thank you