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Jul 1 2010, 05:43 PM
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I stopped being religious about a year or so ago......it was a VERY difficult process for me to get through. Since then I have been free to look at other possibilities. I really connect with what this guy thinks.......His name is David Icke. Some of it is WAY OUT THERE.....but it seems to make sense to me.
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Jul 1 2010, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (thefireball @ Jul 1 2010, 11:42 AM)  Yet we will turn right around and say that some explosion (big bang) happened - and then - here we are! You realize how small of a chance that could've even happened? You realize that if we were any closer to the sun that summers would be too long and we would die of heat? And that if we were any further from the sun the winters would be too long and we would freeze to death? ...... standard. That's why we have God to tell us what is right and wrong. Murdering, stealing, lusting, adultery, and etc is wrong because God says it's wrong. Not because man said so. Man is fallible. God is not. We can make up our rules all we want - but eventually that will lead to destruction. Bad news. Actually there is solid evidence that the bang happened, we have pictures from 200 million years after the occurrence, that validate the theory. Being that the speed of light is limited, we can look into the past like this. Just as when we see the Sun, we are actually looking 8 minutes into the past. Only in this case we are looking about 13.5 billion years into the past. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/t...mapresults.html Regarding morality, I have seen nothing in my life to indicate that your average religious believer is more ethical in behavior than those who are not. Just because a person recognizes mumbo jumbo when he sees it, does not mean he goes out raping and pillaging. |
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Jul 1 2010, 08:49 PM
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I'm Christian.
I don't believe any religion is 100%, but most all have the same basic idea and teachs morals. Some just take it too far and yes religion can be taken over into brain washing and control. Everyone needs pick what to believe in, rather than just follow the leader or go and completely ignore it altogether. QUOTE if i was a christian.. i would probably commit suicide.. for the purpose of my soul rising to heaven Christians believe that suicide is a sin, you can't get into heaven from killing yourself. It's like getting a gift from your friend and then destroying it in front of him so next time you hope you will get a bigger gift, just doesn't work. Life is a gift, it's up to you what to make of it. QUOTE Actually there is solid evidence that the bang happened Evolution, big bang theory, etc, has more holes in it than religion. We would of evolved from monkeys, yet some didn't, and even jars of jam would have evolved into something else over the years, rather than sitting on the shelves keeping their original content when sealed. The big bang says everything came from nothing (or how was that object created?), yet you can't make anything from nothing. The easiest way to think about it would be 'The Sims' pc game, lol. Everything is created with a purpose. The world was created by God as a playground for his Angels (created into human form). Time is an illusion of aging. God and Angels don't actually age. Time was invented. God always existed, therefore everything started from something. The world was given problems. Without problems encountered, achievements wouldn't be as sweet. Every good game is designed to lose, so the win is that much better! Without evil, good would just be netural. Every Yig has a Yang. Humans where given free will, rather than being zombie robots. Do what you will, learn from your mistake. Develop your abililities. Love each day as a gift. Learn at least one new thing a day. People start taking it all for granted. This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jul 1 2010, 08:54 PM --------------------  Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jul 1 2010, 09:01 PM
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I try to care as little as possible
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Jul 2 2010, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (Wallimann @ Mar 21 2008, 03:47 PM) I am with you about the conditions that are not perfect. My explanation to that is sin. :-) I second that explanation 
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Jul 2 2010, 10:34 PM
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You say Santa - it was by Coka Cola as a marketing imagine created from the real christain Saint Nick who donated toys to the less fortunate.
You say Easter Bunny and Chocolate Eggs - it was created to cover the real symbol of the egg which is the birth of Christ. You say Evolution - it was created from somewhere wasn't it? The next evolution world cycle will be 2012, hope the world doesn't end in your case? Evolution can't explain why birds fly but we don't, we all should evolve the same in the same environment. There are hundreds of different animals like giraffes and elephants which can't be explained through Evolution. Female cannot change the chromosomes within her eggs and cannot have any effect upon her offspring. DNA repair process proves the evolutionary theory is wrong because it attempts to repair any changes. You say Time - time is only a calculation from man, it's not even correctly calculated, leap years? They have found more than 4 dimensions in fact there are about 10 or 11 dimensions - most we still don't know much about. Everything is created as a blur of the original, but the original still remains. Christain religion just so happens to be mixed into everything one way or another. So if your Christian and it's all just a big lie from thousands of years (just like that american moon landing) you are still believing something for a greater good, and teach your children good morals, standards, the act of helping others and giving (so long not been corrupted). If your not Christian, you tell lies to cover up the true meaning of Christmas, Easter and almost all the holidays, etc (and know it's a full out lie). It's up to you what to make of it? This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jul 2 2010, 10:54 PM -------------------- Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jul 2 2010, 11:15 PM
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Note: I didn't say Christmas but Santa.
I do like to see both sides of the fence before assuming anything... Yes, I know Roman pagans celebrated between December 17-25, singing naked, raping, and ending on the 25th destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering a innocent man or woman. Sick! Popular myth puts his birth on December 25th in the year 1 C.E. The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth. This was just a guess based around this date. Hmm, Jesus was also innocent and brutally murdered to save the sins of mankind. Make sense for humans to label the same random day, the ending of suffering and total evil. Christmas Tree - Pagans worshipped the trees. The Origin of Mistletoe - Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow. The Origin of Christmas Presents (what I was talking about before) - Christian gift-giving of started by Saint Nicholas. Truth is, we really have no idea if it's the correct date or not for Christmas. It is probably not! Christmas is a lie. December 25 is a day on which Jews have been shamed, tortured, and murdered. There is no Christian church with a tradition that Jesus was really born on December 25th. (evil, more evil or one good act of kindness - what do you celebrate?) And yes, you are correct, for the solar cycle not evolutionary cycle, that was my mistake. This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jul 2 2010, 11:24 PM -------------------- Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jul 2 2010, 11:51 PM
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Now, if God is benevolent (and omnipotent for that matter), why do innocent people die from a natural process (all created by God, according to you) such as disease?
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Jul 3 2010, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE Now, if God is benevolent (and omnipotent for that matter), why do innocent people die from a natural process (all created by God, according to you) such as disease? Good question, one I've puzzled over myself before... After all, what have little children done to deserve punishment or suffering? Nothing. Yet, they suffer. If God is all loving and all powerful, why doesn't He stop this injustice from happening? In Adam, all die. In Christ, all are made alive (1 Cor. 15:22). Adam represented all of mankind. When he fell into sin, the Bible teaches that we fell with him (Rom. 5:12-21). The Bible says that all people are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). When he fell, we inherited not only a sinful nature from Adam by simply being born, but we also inherited a world affected by sin as well, death, decay, disasters, etc. It didn't start out this way. Since we are made in the image of God and we are not robots without free will, God has given to us the stature and responsibility of managing what has been given to us. We just so happen to really suck at it... If someone wants to say that it is unfair for Adam to represent us in the Fall, then they must also conclude that it is unfair for Jesus to represent us on the cross. This latter case would mean that we would not have salvation. This is why God set up the idea of representation, so that we could be saved. Christian's believe in life after death, so all those innocents death may not by so in vain, would not of sinned and therefore may live in afterlife. If one has asked forgiveness and accepted Christ as their personal Savior, then we need not fear death. We will live forever in Heaven where there is no death or suffering. You will be surprised at the number of people which turn to God at near death, maybe too late for some. However, people can also pray for the soul of others. Think of air if you will (maybe a bad example, but just for an idea)... You can't see air, sometimes there's wind which gives you a feeling, but most the time you can't really even feel it all around you. How do you know it's even there? You breath it, without you die. But even with the air you still can die, but it stays with you. Under water or under earth you still have some oxygen, but go too far away into space and there's no more oxygen. Oxygen does still get removed from earth, but saved by trees creating it back (call that forgiven). One of the last things which happens when your body is dead is the oxygen in your body leaves and joins the rest (call that the spirit). Same deal with your soul, the body is just a weak shell which can't survive with it, but when you leave the world, no matter the time the soul will still live on forever. This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jul 3 2010, 12:38 AM -------------------- Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jul 3 2010, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (Azzaboi @ Jul 3 2010, 01:34 AM) Good question, one I've puzzled over myself before... After all, what have little children done to deserve punishment or suffering? Nothing. Yet, they suffer. If God is all loving and all powerful, why doesn't He stop this injustice from happening? In Adam, all die. In Christ, all are made alive (1 Cor. 15:22). Adam represented all of mankind. When he fell into sin, the Bible teaches that we fell with him (Rom. 5:12-21). The Bible says that all people are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). When he fell, we inherited not only a sinful nature from Adam by simply being born, but we also inherited a world affected by sin as well, death, decay, disasters, etc. It didn't start out this way. Since we are made in the image of God and we are not robots without free will, God has given to us the stature and responsibility of managing what has been given to us. We just so happen to really suck at it... If someone wants to say that it is unfair for Adam to represent us in the Fall, then they must also conclude that it is unfair for Jesus to represent us on the cross. This latter case would mean that we would not have salvation. This is why God set up the idea of representation, so that we could be saved. Christian's believe in life after death, so all those innocents death may not by so in vain, would not of sinned and therefore may live in afterlife. If one has asked forgiveness and accepted Christ as their personal Savior, then we need not fear death. We will live forever in Heaven where there is no death or suffering. You will be surprised at the number of people which turn to God at near death, maybe too late for some. However, people can also pray for the soul of others. Think of air if you will (maybe a bad example, but just for an idea)... You can't see air, sometimes there's wind which gives you a feeling, but most the time you can't really even feel it all around you. How do you know it's even there? You breath it, without you die. But even with the air you still can die, but it stays with you. Under water or under earth you still have some oxygen, but go too far away into space and there's no more oxygen. Oxygen does still get removed from earth, but saved by trees creating it back. One of the last things which happens when your body is dead is the oxygen in your body leaves and joins the rest. Same deal with your soul, the body is just a weak shell which can't survive with it, but when you leave the world, no matter the time it will still live on forever. Although I respect the amount of time you spent writing your well worded reply, I must - unfortunately - say that you did not answer my question. You immediately skipped to the conclusion that an "innocent" person would be a child. Fair enough. Let's say this child was from Kenya and stillborn. Does this child believe in God? Is this child allowed into Heaven? Does ignorance infer the right to Christian (or any Semitic) privileges? Ignoring what I just wrote. Most Christians would answer "People die because of sin. Maybe not our own sin, but because Adam hath sinned." This I find funny, because if God the Almighty predestines death, why in the world did he also *invent* the human immune system? And please, do not preach with quotes of the Bible. The veracity and authenticity of that Work cannot be proven, nor can the existence of God himself. I am not interested in Biblical references, I am interested in personal insight and understanding. I believe, like Muris (who some would consider a Divine being in the art of guitar playing) that honesty, integrity, decency and all other positive -y words you can find, are what defines a human being. Whether he believes in one, two, eight, fifty or no Gods should not change his right to peace and respect. Most dictators were probably religious, because, well everybody was at the time (more or less), yet they performed acts of cruelty and inhumanity. Therefore, as aforementioned, religion does not imply honesty, nor integrity, nor decency, nor any other posiitive -y word you can find. I do not mean to offend any believers with my lengthy and inconsiderate reply. I do not consider myself a cruel human being. I have values in life, very similar to that of a Christian. One of the only things which separates me from the common Christian is that I do not believe God exists UNTIL somebody can prove that he does. Yes, we can't prove the Big Bang 100%, alright Evolution has been proven to be a valid truth (not theory). There are arguments back and forth, so we remain ignorant of the truth. I would consider myself, in that sense, an agnostic. However, the fact that God lets innocent people die just falls into irony. What if I were Christian and died of Tuberculosis? Would my Atheist best friend also be admitted past the Heavenly gates? Lack of evidence of the non-existence of God does not prove his existence. Don't listen to me. Listen to more clever people like Pat Condell (YouTube), maybe you will even be entertained. It was possible to be a good person prior to the convention of religion. -------------------- My YouTube Channel
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Jul 3 2010, 01:42 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Jul 1 2010, 09:31 PM) Actually there is solid evidence that the bang happened, we have pictures from 200 million years after the occurrence, that validate the theory. Can you tell me who lit the fuse to this big explosion? -------------------- My bands homepage
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