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Posted by: Hemlok Jul 17 2007, 04:03 PM
I don't know if everyone else notices, but quite often I see someone swearing on the forum. They don't say the full word, they remove a letter or two, and most times leave the first letter, and then follow it with *******. I personally am not offended by swearing, but as younger people use the forum, I don't see the need to use these words. There are hundreds of other words to express your feelings.
Just thought I would share this. Feel free to comment and give your opinion on the subject. 
- Hemlok
Posted by: Rvddps Jul 17 2007, 04:14 PM
Just thought I would share this. Feel free to comment and give your opinion on the subject.
- Hemlok
Yeah, i'm in agreement, there is really no need for swearing on this forum, i rarely ever see flaming of any kind, and usually the discussions are fine. If possible, try to leave swearing out of your posts guys, use other words to get your point across.
Posted by: icedern Jul 17 2007, 04:26 PM
I don't really see a problem with it...
And if they are at least 12..they probably know every word in the book already anyway and probably say them too.
Posted by: fkalich Jul 17 2007, 04:37 PM
what bothers me more, is when they not only cuss, but they also sound like total morons, which is a very common combination..
Posted by: ibanezkiller Jul 17 2007, 04:41 PM
fkalich i agree with you ... i could care less but i dont see it necessary
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 17 2007, 05:08 PM
As you all know from the new posting guidelines, starred out swear words are right on the limit of what is regarded as acceptable, I'd rather do without them ...
Posted by: ibanezkiller Jul 17 2007, 05:16 PM
agreed
Posted by: Kaneda Jul 17 2007, 06:32 PM
Very much agreed (why is this in uploads?) I don't mind "language" at all (except in the cases fkalich describes). I'm not known for holding back on it in some situations in speech, but I don't see a need to use it when writing (except a single post, in which it was a quote...)
Posted by: MickeM Jul 17 2007, 06:53 PM
Just thought I would share this. Feel free to comment and give your opinion on the subject.
- Hemlok
I think the ability to say what you want without use of bad words is good evidence of a well developed language. And swaering too much is proof of the opposite.
and I'd love to see someone reply to my post with "**** yeah!"
No, but really, I think the masking of bad words with '*' is not a perfect solution. Everyone knows the meaning of it anyway just by counting the number of '*' and reads it the way it was intended.
Maybe harder moderating is a way if we should go for zero tolerance? Not for me, but for the kids. I know they probably use the words anyway but we should set a good example here. And I think we do, this is actually one of the nices forums around. And if a poster knows that he'll get entire sentences removed or the entire post removed I'm sure he or she can find words to exchange **** and **********.
But surely I think we're behaving nicely over here at GMC
Posted by: SDMF75 Jul 17 2007, 06:58 PM
I'm not offended by swearing but it's just as easy to get your point across without it.
Posted by: mattacuk Jul 17 2007, 07:08 PM
This is a random topic, I never even noticed any swearing or stars !
Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 17 2007, 07:09 PM
GMC Is way nicer than other forums where swearing just gets annoyiong, like say on the UG Forums, which are the most annoying forums ive ever been on.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 17 2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks guys! I really couldn't agree more - I can't help but loose respect for people who use this kind of language.
In fact - I don't even read a post through if it uses ***** - it's like a big stop sign that sais "this post isn't thoroughly written - not worth spending my time on it".
It isn't until recently we have started to get this - so I really hope the people who use this lanuage get the message.
If you want to impress somebody: practice non stop and then post cool recording. Or post something informative about what you have learned so far - and if you want me to read it be sure to not have one single *** word...
Kris
Posted by: SDMF75 Jul 17 2007, 07:14 PM
In fact - I don't even read a post through if it uses ***** - it's like a big stop sign that sais "this post isn't thoroughly written - not worth spending my time on it".
It isn't until recently we have started to get this - so I really hope the people who use this lanuage get the message.
If you want to impress somebody: practice non stop and then post cool recording. Or post something informative about what you have learned so far - and if you want me to read it be sure to not have one single *** word...
Kris
Well Said!
Posted by: tonymiro Jul 18 2007, 12:46 AM
IMO,
Too often people swear too much. Swearing is a form (offensive or not) of communicative expression that is used to intensify meaning. Part of the issue then, to me, is that if used continually, or if generally just 'over-used', it loses that power to 'shock' or intensify and thus any real rationale for being there in language: it becomes an empty signifier. Relatedly, as already mentioned, language is already rich enough that we can intensify meaning without recourse to swearing - swearing tends to demonstrate the person's lack of facility with words and little else. (In RL I edit and review for academic publications and accept swearing if I feel it in some way it 'adds' to the communication rather than is an empty gesture.)
Perhaps, as has already been mentioned, on a forum based on open communication where we are not face to face we know little if anything about the persons with whom we communicate. Thus we cannot know at what point we transgress the margin between a 'shock for effect' and where we alienate them. In the latter case rather than achieving communication all we are likely to do is close off all communication by making the other person/s walk away in disgust. For us users of the board this situation is bad (you don't make a point/win an argument by making the other person leave in disgust). As with Kris I routinely ignore threads (on other boards) that are little other than swearing contests. However for Kris the effect of us swearing is arguably more intolerable - he might lose a customer, lose credibility, get a poor online rating, etc. Not things I think that any of us would want for him and the site
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say don't swear (I'm not an advocate of censorship) do think about the effect that you mean to achieve and that which you might achieve. From what I've seen to date Andrew is doing a great job on the moderation.
Apologies btw if this comes across as preaching - it isn't meant to.
Cheers,
Tony
Posted by: Slammer Jul 18 2007, 12:58 AM
GMC is the Nicest Forum I have ever been too... and I've been to quite a Few.
People Rarely fight and Argue and when they do it's usually Resolved quick and with a .
Now as far as Swearing go... this is a Guitar Forum and as far as I'm concerned Foul Lanuage shouldn't have any thing to do with talking about guitar.
I know that we don't only talk about guitar here... but even in other discussions/debates I think all of us are old enough and mature enough and Smart enough to be able to talk without Cussing... At least that's what I think.
Now I know that in everyday life, pretty much all of us Cuss and Swear at one point or another.
So for some it's second nature. So it might translate over the keyboard onto the forum inadvertently.
But GMC is the best guitar site IMO.
So I say lets keep it clean and enjoyable for everyone. So we all can have a Safe & friendly atmosphere to hangout at while we're online.
just my opinion.
Posted by: shredmandan Jul 18 2007, 01:00 AM
Interesting subject man.I had a big debate about this awhile back on here,and to be honest there wasent a point in it.Swearing doesnt really bother me unless it's the f word over and over but, i also understand im not the only gmc member and i respect the other's on here.Since i discussed this with other's i no longer use any foul language.I try and not say anything on here that i wouldnt want said around my 2 kids.I feel that swearing has nothing to do with guitar or discussing it so i keep it out of my posts.It doesnt bother me reading it but i just try and keep it simple and clean.Also why waste your time writting something swearing when you know it will be edited?Which it makes since to me that it is removed now.
Posted by: Ryan Jul 18 2007, 01:01 AM
Question guys. Is "Damn" acceptable by everybody?? Kris? GMCers? I tend to use that a lot, but not because its a habit, but just because I think that is nothing wrong with it. If it bothers people. I would like to know so I dont use it anymore!!
Posted by: shredmandan Jul 18 2007, 01:14 AM
and I'd love to see someone reply to my post with "**** yeah!"
No, but really, I think the masking of bad words with '*' is not a perfect solution. Everyone knows the meaning of it anyway just by counting the number of '*' and reads it the way it was intended.
Maybe harder moderating is a way if we should go for zero tolerance? Not for me, but for the kids. I know they probably use the words anyway but we should set a good example here. And I think we do, this is actually one of the nices forums around. And if a poster knows that he'll get entire sentences removed or the entire post removed I'm sure he or she can find words to exchange **** and **********.
But surely I think we're behaving nicely over here at GMC
Very well put
In fact - I don't even read a post through if it uses ***** - it's like a big stop sign that sais "this post isn't thoroughly written - not worth spending my time on it".
It isn't until recently we have started to get this - so I really hope the people who use this lanuage get the message.
If you want to impress somebody: practice non stop and then post cool recording. Or post something informative about what you have learned so far - and if you want me to read it be sure to not have one single *** word...
Kris
I agree with you .I really didnt use but 2or 3 swear words on here and then posted my opinion and had a reply from you.I talked to Andrew about it and apologized along with Gabriel.I even pm'd you and apologized and tryed to dicuss with you but you never responded.Then i noticed a post you made right after mine where all i said was cool man i just asked the question and you posted this man,and you removed it.I didnt understand that and was curious if you just labeled me or decided since i made a mistake to judge me by that forever.
I enjoy it here and have enjoyed practicing many of your lessons as well.I just dont know if i ever have a question about one of your posts or lessons if you will respond to me because of one post i made.
Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jul 18 2007, 02:01 AM
I could be mistaken but to anyone who think swearing is ok on the forum keep in mind that I do believe it goes against your chances of becoming a senior member and having a free membership.
- John
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jul 18 2007, 02:02 AM
- John
i think you are very right.
Posted by: Ryan Jul 18 2007, 02:05 AM
- John
When people say swearing. Are you guys meaning EVERYTHING, or just like the big ones. The F word for instance, or the S word??
Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jul 18 2007, 02:11 AM
I think you have to take it into common sense and read the forum guidlines. I think words like crap and stuff is acceptable. But we really have to use common sense here being were all friends and we all want to learn together and become great guitarist. Dont get me wrong I hear swearing everyday and sometimes I do swear ALOT when im mad. But Im doing my best to keep It off the forums. Think of it as the world is a swearing playground and Gmc is a escape from that. And we must keep it that way. And yes Ive swore on here before and I apoligize for it, but im starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel on this one
.Keep it clean- John
Posted by: FretDancer69 Jul 18 2007, 02:21 AM
.Keep it clean- John
i guess that means that Girl-Rant threads wont be exiting anymore
...lol, just kiddin 
Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 18 2007, 02:27 AM
When it comes to cursing on a forum you have to be blunt and honest about 2 things...
1. Cursing is never necessary- Yes we ARE romodels and anyone who curses a lot just sounds like an ignorant person. If your debating someone curse words just show that you can't make a decent argument without using profanity and in that case it is just being used against you. I personally accept the "***" method effective and feel that if you want to curse, at least censor it.
2. For everyone else that feels TRULY offended by even the stars(***) in a post, please realize that this is a forum for musicians, not a regime for robots and that some people can only express themselves in negative or especially positive colours by using words that are considered profane by today's standards. On that note, I feel we shouldn't enforce anything more than the *s because we honestly don't have that bad of a forum at GMC (in fact this is the cleanest, nicest, LEAST profane forum I've ever been on).
Thats my oppinion
Posted by: Ryan Jul 18 2007, 02:48 AM
1. Cursing is never necessary- Yes we ARE romodels and anyone who curses a lot just sounds like an ignorant person. If your debating someone curse words just show that you can't make a decent argument without using profanity and in that case it is just being used against you. I personally accept the "***" method effective and feel that if you want to curse, at least censor it.
2. For everyone else that feels TRULY offended by even the stars(***) in a post, please realize that this is a forum for musicians, not a regime for robots and that some people can only express themselves in negative or especially positive colours by using words that are considered profane by today's standards. On that note, I feel we shouldn't enforce anything more than the *s because we honestly don't have that bad of a forum at GMC (in fact this is the cleanest, nicest, LEAST profane forum I've ever been on).
Thats my oppinion
If the stars were admited to being ok. Then a lot of posts would look like this. Hey, ******** hows it *** going. I really love this ***** band. (Now thats probably a little over exaggerated, but doesnt look to professional (guitarist) IMO)
I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.
I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.
Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes
, or else.
Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Jul 18 2007, 02:58 AM
Im going to post something that Andrew said in a previous topic about swearing
-John
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 18 2007, 03:27 AM
I agree with you .I really didnt use but 2or 3 swear words on here and then posted my opinion and had a reply from you.I talked to Andrew about it and apologized along with Gabriel.I even pm'd you and apologized and tryed to dicuss with you but you never responded.Then i noticed a post you made right after mine where all i said was cool man i just asked the question and you posted this man,and you removed it.I didnt understand that and was curious if you just labeled me or decided since i made a mistake to judge me by that forever.
I enjoy it here and have enjoyed practicing many of your lessons as well.I just dont know if i ever have a question about one of your posts or lessons if you will respond to me because of one post i made.Shredmandan - its very apparent that you have had a change of approach after the last time around, just as you said, and the fact that you apologised was particularly appreciated - we don't just notice the bad things, we look for the good as well
Believe me, I agonise everytime I edit a post or put a warning on a thread (and a lot of times when I don't), which is as it should be - as soon as I start making changes without bothering to think about it I'll step down as moderator. Funnily enough I believe in free speech as well, but I always couple it with concern for the impact of my words or actions on others, and respect for the context. With freedom comes responsibility.
This is a great thread, and I can see that we have a lot of support for the clean forum that Kris wants this to be, that makes me proud of GMC and all of its members
And yes Ryan 'Damn' is ok in my opinion, and is explicitly listed as an acceptable mild expletive in the posting guidelines!
Posted by: Ryan Jul 18 2007, 03:30 AM
Ryan haha. Sorry I have a thing about my name. Thats cool that its acceptable, but with in reason
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 18 2007, 03:34 AM
I beg your pardon, I corrected it
Posted by: Travelin' Man Jul 18 2007, 03:36 AM
Just what does it take to be a senior member...im in my 40's..does that count?
Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Jul 18 2007, 03:45 AM
Sorry, age doesn't enter into it
Check this thread for details:
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=4837
Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 18 2007, 04:25 AM
I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.
I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.
Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes
, or else.True, I just feel like I dont have a need to curse when I write on this forum. Let's be honest, Kris says no cursing, so if your big on it, read over youyr posts before sending them out...
Right?
Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 18 2007, 04:34 AM
For all that GMC Has to offer us, its a small request.
Just one question for you all at GMC, Is "Kickass" a curse word, or considered one? i know i have a tendency to say that a bit, if its considered one, ill cutback as much as possible.
Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 18 2007, 04:47 AM
I just write KICK( ) so people get my point cuz I'm unsure about that one as well.
Posted by: The Uncreator Jul 18 2007, 04:49 AM
ill try to say "Kick (Insert slur or term for Rear End or Buttocks)"
Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 18 2007, 04:57 AM
lol
Posted by: Hemlok Jul 18 2007, 06:19 AM
Well I wouldn't think ass is offensive, to me ass is a donkey. In australia the word we use for butt has 4 letters, like i think is the same for england and some of europe. Besides, they say it all the time on The Simpsons and every kid watches that. And damn wouldnt be unless you are directing it at another GMC'er. At least this is what i would assume.
P.S I think someone mentioned this thread is in Uploads. I can't work out how I managed that so im sorry - but to all moderators feel free to move it.
- Hemlok
Posted by: blindwillie Jul 18 2007, 11:41 AM
This is a complex topic. I'm not sure I can add anything but I will try to express my views.
I know it isn't so, but it should be enough with a general posting guideline in the style of "Behave and be nice or be gone".
I'm 100% percent for free speech, but to me that does not include being rude or mean to others. I like to read well formulated, fluid posts like the ones so many here posts. Unfortunatly I'm not one them. I guess I could be, but I've been on to many forums way to long to have the spirit to do that. I prefer to do it short. The backside of that (and the process of reformulating my thoughts in a foreign language) is that when I have hit the submit button and read it through I often find my posts harsh and sometimes they are just jibberish. They didn't come out the way I intended. Apologize for that. And this is leading up to my point.
You have to remember that on a forum like this people have diffent age, culture, language, sex, history, reasons, goals, dreams, whatever. Different people have different ways of expressing themselves. For some it's really hard to write, for some it's second nature. Everyone deserves respect. But respect goes both ways. I (I and me is general in this case) have to respect that people might get offended by something I write. But other people have to understand that what I wrote wasn't intended to be offensive. This is what I think. This is the way I write. Because I don't know any other way to write or I choose to write this way for whatever reason. It doesn't mean that I'm right and you have to think that too. No harm intended. We all have our own reality, with our own set of rules. What is obvious and natural to me might be very weird to you. Ethics is completly in the eye of the beholder and what's wrong to me might be the right to you.
I would not want a forum to turn into an elitistic playground just for those who have the ability to express themselves with ease, and everyone just nods and agrees and inserts encouraging remarks. "Jolly good old chap". On the other hand I wouldn't want to read thread after thread filled with sloppy language, cursing and abusive remarks. Occasinally though, I would like to be able to burst out in a "Hell, yeah! Best concert ever dude!"
If you start listing allowed or banned expressions this could well get ridiculous. Doesn't have to, but it could.
Live and let live. If I'm offended by anything you say (and it's important to me) I will let you know. I would tell you, but everybody wouldn't. Respect that too.
I'm not sure if that made any sense.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 18 2007, 11:48 AM
- John
Yes absolutely - good point! We will neved chose a member for seniorship who has used foul language.
Just as with the previous discussion we had about this - the "where do we draw the limit" question comes up.
To me this discussion isn't very relevant - if you are unsure over a word, don't use it! Only use the words which you are sure of!
Also - I realise that I have used bad language in a lesson covering my songs. I regret this now as I realise there is a problem in saying "we don't want bad language in the board" and then using the same bad language in a song...
So once again the point of the song was to write a provocative song- if you go back and read my posts in the forum - you will see that I have never used foul language on the board. And I never will!
I don't want to provoke anyone on the forum with bad language - and I don't want to be provoked either...
Posted by: Hemlok Jul 18 2007, 12:07 PM
I recently posted on a topic which had links to youtube videos, and that they should have warnings if it has material that may be offensive to some listeners...
Now that i think about it... oh wait i did put a warning on my day 1 recording of my violin no swearing, just terrible sounds.
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Completely agree, if you are wondering if you should or shouldn't use a certain word.... how many other options do you have? millions! Since I signed up here I think I have replaced damn with darn or darnit, damn has basically just become really more accepted and it looks like more extreme words will become more and more accepted and like said before, lose their meaning/impact. Problem solved for Ryan
Short story, my supervisor would swear every sentence, while I thought it was stupid, that is just the way she is and I was fine with it. But what I couldn't stand was when she would use directed at other people, also people she doesn't know. She was extremely abusive, and as a result of complaints, and my and my co-workers resignation she was fired. Since then my workplace is a much better place, I enjoy coming to work each day and everything is honky dory
I think alot of younger people don't understand the impact of these words as its an everyday occurrence, tv, movies, games... friends, family, it is everywhere.
So in conclusion(of my drunken rant) GMC is not the place for it. I really hope this thread will change things a little bit, and not too much as not much needs to be changed because everyone you are doing great job to keep GMC is a fantastic community
- Hemlok
P.S this is probably my largest post so far.. I wont re-read it, if it doesn't make sense I am sorry
Darn I completely went off the topic I was originally aiming to talk about!
Posted by: shredmandan Jul 18 2007, 12:32 PM
Believe me, I agonise everytime I edit a post or put a warning on a thread (and a lot of times when I don't), which is as it should be - as soon as I start making changes without bothering to think about it I'll step down as moderator. Funnily enough I believe in free speech as well, but I always couple it with concern for the impact of my words or actions on others, and respect for the context. With freedom comes responsibility.
This is a great thread, and I can see that we have a lot of support for the clean forum that Kris wants this to be, that makes me proud of GMC and all of its members
And yes Ryan 'Damn' is ok in my opinion, and is explicitly listed as an acceptable mild expletive in the posting guidelines!
Thanks for your response Andrew
You have always been very nice and easy to communicate with on here.
Posted by: MickeM Jul 18 2007, 01:25 PM
Thats my oppinion
I may have been the one bring up that '******' isn't alright even and my point to that was NOT that's I'm offende by it. I swear and cuss when I speak but I am showing everyone in this forum my respect by using a clean language. So it's not because I'm offended, it's out of respect. And marking the words with '****' doesn't make things a lot better. The printed word isn't there, true, but the meaning of it is still there and with a full word of '*' sticking out like a sore thumb ('****' does draw attention in a text) the focus rather ends up on that specific word anyway.
Would I want to explain to my kids what's hiding behing ther '*''s? No I wouldn't so I don't write it.
And if someone can't write a text and manage to stress what needs to be stressed without using bad words I think that person seriously need to work on finding useful words as substitute.
Too often people swear too much. Swearing is a form (offensive or not) of communicative expression that is used to intensify meaning. Part of the issue then, to me, is that if used continually, or if generally just 'over-used', it loses that power to 'shock' or intensify and thus any real rationale for being there in language: it becomes an empty signifier. Relatedly, as already mentioned, language is already rich enough that we can intensify meaning without recourse to swearing - swearing tends to demonstrate the person's lack of facility with words and little else. (In RL I edit and review for academic publications and accept swearing if I feel it in some way it 'adds' to the communication rather than is an empty gesture.)
Perhaps, as has already been mentioned, on a forum based on open communication where we are not face to face we know little if anything about the persons with whom we communicate. Thus we cannot know at what point we transgress the margin between a 'shock for effect' and where we alienate them. In the latter case rather than achieving communication all we are likely to do is close off all communication by making the other person/s walk away in disgust. For us users of the board this situation is bad (you don't make a point/win an argument by making the other person leave in disgust). As with Kris I routinely ignore threads (on other boards) that are little other than swearing contests. However for Kris the effect of us swearing is arguably more intolerable - he might lose a customer, lose credibility, get a poor online rating, etc. Not things I think that any of us would want for him and the site
Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say don't swear (I'm not an advocate of censorship) do think about the effect that you mean to achieve and that which you might achieve. From what I've seen to date Andrew is doing a great job on the moderation.
Apologies btw if this comes across as preaching - it isn't meant to.
Cheers,
Tony
Very good post!
I guess this is mostly just about respect really. Who has the most respect. Kris wants it to be clean, and fun for everybody. Its like being a guest at someones house. You dont run in and yell and cuss up a storm.
I still think though that "Damn" is ok, but if is againsts his wishs. Then it all shall stop. Im a very respectable person, and believe that Respect is one of the most important things in life. And im sure a lot of other people are the same way on GMC.
Haha, I dont think this subject is very debatable anyways IMO. This is Kris's Site, and what he says goes
, or else.Well said! Since the language evelops all the time some words will slip into being accepted while others will stay unaccepted and new words are created and old ones disappear. Where the line is drawn for what goes and what doesn't can be difficult to determine. So I understand your question on specific words but I can't answer it.
True, all ages can watch. But you can always call it art to make it alright
Posted by: stratman33 Jul 18 2007, 11:00 PM
I'm only 13,but i know every word in the book anyways...I dont mind as long as people dont swear for no reason, and sound like idiots doing it.
Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Jul 20 2007, 01:46 PM
Ok - I am very happy to see that most people agree that we don't want foul language at GMC!
I will pin this topic for a while so that no one misses it!
Thanks again for bringing this up and helping me out guys!
Kris
Posted by: Hemlok Jul 20 2007, 01:53 PM
No problemo, thanks everyone who replied and kept this thread active. Good idea to pin the topic, as GMC is growing so much, new users may not know of it.
- Hemlok
Posted by: Anastasio123 Jul 20 2007, 08:24 PM
- Hemlok
Without a doubt, and thats hoping that they even bother to read this thread before they start posting.
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