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Iron King View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 03:29 AM
Feb 12 2008, 03:29 AM	GMC:er Posts: 121 Joined: 30-January 08 From: Montreal, Canada	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 11 2008, 03:39 PM) Hey man, I didn't reply in that post before to you, I was just stating out the general fact. I agree with you. But now that you mentioned gigs, I must note something. Often gigs are too loud. Well it is all relative, but vast majority of gigs that I've listened too and played on to was too loud, practically overloaded and clipped. This is not the way it should go wouldn't you agree? The sound can be loud to a point, but then, even on gigs when too compressed it looses the dynamics. Often it is better too play with rolled off volume, and go to max only sometimes when leads and all. It is not good when a drummer beats the hell of drums and the sound comes out compressed. There always must be some headroom left for the dynamic dimension. hmmm, I don't know I play extremely loud and I love it. After a show I want people to think "Damn, those guys rock! I thought my head was gonna explode". high volumes are good, but only if done right. A lot of bands I see just turn up the volume and it becomes a big mess. Lead guitar cant be heard, bass is invisible and the bass drum is so strong that it knocks the wind out of people. If a band takes the time to balance each instrument right, high volumes rock You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 10:26 AM
Feb 12 2008, 10:26 AM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	Our gigs are very loud but very balanced like that. We don't play anywhere that can't handle it either. And we advise on our myspace to bring earplugs so we are even thoughtful We also have some new earplugs every time we gig to hand out. Cheap one use ones but they do the trick. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by OrganisedConfusion: Feb 12 2008, 10:27 AM -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 10:35 AM
Feb 12 2008, 10:35 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 12 2008, 10:26 AM) We also have some new earplugs every time we gig to hand out. Cheap one use ones but they do the trick. yeh..we use them too if it is bad monitorinig...or if ther is not any You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 10:38 AM
Feb 12 2008, 10:38 AM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 12 2008, 09:35 AM) yeh..we use them too if it is bad monitorinig...or if ther is not any I meant to give to the crowd Always make sure our crowd enoys the gig and be comfortable if they do want to protect their ears and enjoy We have expensive ones for our ears. Don't want to be deafened You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 10:49 AM
Feb 12 2008, 10:49 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 12 2008, 10:38 AM) I meant to give to the crowd Always make sure our crowd enoys the gig and be comfortable if they do want to protect their ears and enjoy We have expensive ones for our ears. Don't want to be deafened no we use the cheap one's...but now just the drummer wears them....me not any more..and if yes very rearly... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 10:56 AM
Feb 12 2008, 10:56 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	for best demonstration to your ears for this topic..if you have some Pantera songs...play it just before the new Reimstain...and you will hear the diference... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 12:41 PM
Feb 12 2008, 12:41 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	I use earplugs all the time because the sound on gigs is louder and louder, because PA systems are becoming more advanced these days. They can be packed in smaller boxes and have immense dB strength. I agree that a gig should be loud, but not too loud, and certainly not too compressed. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

blindwillie View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:11 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:11 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.533 Joined: 28-March 07 From: Luleå, Sweden	To me as a listener the sound is the important thing, not how loud it is. I always bring earplugs nowadays to a concert just in case but I like it better if the volume is at a level where it doesn't hurt my ears and I can fully enjoy the music. Should have done that from the start. Why go so loud that people needs earplugs? This just results in a dampened sound and pemanent loss of hearing. Why not give them best possible sound instead? Best possible sound and performance is what I expect when I pay for a ticket. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned...

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (blindwillie @ Feb 12 2008, 01:11 PM) To me as a listener the sound is the important thing, not how loud it is. yeah man you are wright..that is the point of the whole thing..tony explaind very well how it happend ...but now is unstopiblle...before this happend sound of the songs had more dynamics and more headroom..and it was more alive for cooperation with the liteners..emotions where more in the air becouse dyinamics.. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Saoirse O'Shea View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM	Moderator - low level high stakes Posts: 6.173 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Espania - Cadiz province	There was a recent article in El Pais (Spanish daily newspaper) that around 1/3rd of youths 14-30 yrs of age in major Spanish cities now suffer hearing loss due to the volume of recorded music played at clubs and the volumes at live gigs. I'd imagine that the figure is probably similar in most of the other 'developed nations'. I agree with Blindwillie here - quality of sound to me is more important then 'loudness'. Cheers, Tony You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo.

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:32 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:32 PM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM) There was a recent article in El Pais (Spanish daily newspaper) that around 1/3rd of youths 14-30 yrs of age in major Spanish cities now suffer hearing loss due to the volume of recorded music played at clubs and the volumes at live gigs. I'd imagine that the figure is probably similar in most of the other 'developed nations'. Cheers, Tony scary stuff...I beleve that there is an factor of mass uses of I pod's..and all kind of mp3 players... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Saoirse O'Shea View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:37 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:37 PM	Moderator - low level high stakes Posts: 6.173 Joined: 27-June 07 From: Espania - Cadiz province	Think your'e absolutely right there as well Nemanja. The SPLs in clubs and at gigs nowadays are very high and - at least outside of Europe - Ipods and MP3s may not be volume restricted and can cause hearing loss as well. Those sold in Europe are supposed to be volume restricted but sadly some owners bypass/remove the software lock to get the 'loudness' they're used to experiencing at gigs/clubs. With in ear 'phones that can be really bad. Cheers, Tony You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com Be friends on facebook with us here. We use professional, mastering grade hardware in our mastering studo. Our hardware includes: Cranesong Avocet II Monitor Controller, Dangerous Music Liasion Insert Hardware Router, ATC SCM Pro Monitors, Lavry Black DA11, Prism Orpheus ADC/DAC, Gyratec Gyraf XIV Parallel Passive Mastering EQ, Great River MAQ 2NV Mastering EQ, Kush Clariphonic Parallel EQ Shelf, Maselec MLA-2 Mastering Compressor, API 2500 Mastering Compressor, Eventide Eclipse Reverb/Echo.

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 01:39 PM
Feb 12 2008, 01:39 PM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 12 2008, 01:37 PM) Think your'e absolutely right there as well Nemanja. The SPLs in clubs and at gigs nowadays are very high and - at least outside of Europe - Ipods and MP3s may not be volume restricted and can cause hearing loss as well. Those sold in Europe are supposed to be volume restricted but sadly some owners bypass/remove the software lock to get the 'loudness' they're used to experiencing at gigs/clubs. With in ear 'phones that can be really bad. Cheers, Tony thanks tony for great informations..helps allot:) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

blindwillie View Member Profile	Feb 12 2008, 03:07 PM
Feb 12 2008, 03:07 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.533 Joined: 28-March 07 From: Luleå, Sweden	QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 12 2008, 01:28 PM) yeah man you are wright..that is the point of the whole thing..tony explaind very well how it happend ...but now is unstopiblle...before this happend sound of the songs had more dynamics and more headroom..and it was more alive for cooperation with the liteners..emotions where more in the air becouse dyinamics.. I'm sad now You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned...

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 13 2008, 02:08 AM
Feb 13 2008, 02:08 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (blindwillie @ Feb 12 2008, 03:07 PM) I'm sad now I was too when I found out a bout this subject(becouse it is actually more expensive...bicouse all the limiters,.compressors..and every thing else that you need to by..) ...but I had no choice, had to play the game...so I acepted the things like there are.... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Feb 14 2008, 12:20 AM
Feb 14 2008, 12:20 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	You are right my friend, but what is the most important thing above all compressors limiters etc? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Feb 14 2008, 01:33 AM
Feb 14 2008, 01:33 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 14 2008, 12:20 AM) You are right my friend, but what is the most important thing above all compressors limiters etc? Song!!!...............if you have no good song, no limiters,compresors,preamps,mic,Amek 9098i ...woud not be abel help you.... so...even if I have my own big studio one day...will never cut time off songwrighting.... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Feb 14 2008, 03:57 AM
Feb 14 2008, 03:57 AM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 12 2008, 10:38 AM) I meant to give to the crowd Always make sure our crowd enoys the gig and be comfortable if they do want to protect their ears and enjoy We have expensive ones for our ears. Don't want to be deafened You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

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