Everyone Should Watch This Movie..., ...ZEITGEIST Options

[Legions]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

I hope that everyone sits back and thoroughly enjoys being informed.

Tell me what you think...

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This post has been edited by Legions: Oct 23 2007, 04:08 PM

[Legions]

I'm agnostic but I do believe that we should respect other people's right to believe or not and their way of doing so. As part of that respect if we attempt to claim that someone is untruthful then we should be truthful in making such a claim. I personally feel that the makers of the film rather lose their way by failing to follow this simple credo.

I studied apophantic theology as part of my PhD years ago. I have to say, whatever you think of the remainder of the film, that the first 30 or so minutes is what I would describe as being a very 'partial' view of the development of Western religion(s) and Christianity. There are a number of inaccuracies within. For instance:

There are any number of Lunar calender as Solar;

Much of what is presented as Egyptian mythos is Babylonian;

The adoption of some anthropomorphic symbols within the Western Horoscope didn't happen until about the 15th Century. Anthropmorphic btw means to make something human that is not - it does not mean to give something a symbol that a human understands/recognises as the film implies. (Aries, Leo etc are NOT anthropomorphic, Virgo is.)

The Horoscope discussed is Western and much of the constellations and their movements would surely be different in the Southern Hemisphere;

The start of the ancient Egyptian calender falls mid Summer not Dec 25 (the date moves around as the Egytpian Calender is not based on 365 days);

Julian of Caesarea in his writings and presentations was attempting to demonstrate Logos and how all other religions were/are at best a partial recount of the Word of God that is ultimately given in the teachings of Christ;

(Here it's worth keeping in mind that in his time there was both religious pantheism (including paganism) and Christianity itself was largely Paulian and/or had elements of gnosticism. Christianity itself was far from the dominant religion and Christians at that time were still persecuted and often crucified for their beliefs. His addresses were mostly to the Roman Senate at least as an attempt to stop the crucifictions. By demonstrating that God IS Logos he was bringing other religions within it and thus at the same time moving Christians within the full protection of secular law.)

There are quite a few other inaccuracies besides those.

I am agnostic - however even in my agnosticism I know that the Christian Church has faced claims similar to much of the film for centuries. It has in the past answered them and there isn't really ground for it to have to repeatedly respond. Indeed (and this is where I come in) in so doing one only needs to look towards the dialogue between Church and Thomas Ekhardt, St Teresa de Avila, St Augustine and many other apophantics.

So the film for me rather unravels because of its partiality at the start - whether or not there are any facts in the remaining 1 1/2 hours.

Cheers,
Tony

ps none of the above is meant as an attack on anyone here nor is it meant to offend. Just though it was worth pointing out a few things regarding the 'truth' claims in the film.

As an agnostic the question for me is ultimately Augustine's 'What do I love when I love my God' as yet I don't know. To the Christians and those of other Religions who have found their answer to that question you have my respect.

great response haha. I don't exactly have the time to talk...

but, I would highly recommend watching the remainder of the film, because all you watched was Part 1, there are 3 parts and they are all completely different from each other.

Part 2 is about how the Government set up 9/11 and it gives some pretty shocking evidence.

Part 3 is about how it is unconstitutional to pay income taxes and some other stuff...

(so the other part doesn't really apply to you all the much you're not a US citizen haha)

haha I'm not a college major so I can't give you some crazy educated answer to yours without making myself look dumb.

thanks for the reply!

-Legions

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